IPT Promises

[NYC cue dude]

sorry gabber,but you are way off base here. ive spoken to many ipt players, and of those, no one is unhappy, including thorsten.

There always is one in every bunch, the break on the wheel of progress.

 

[Gabber]

Are you trying to be the Ralph Nadar of Pool? Life isn't perfect, never seen any tour that is either. They will get paid, and if they have a complaint about it, they will voice it to someone. It is one thing to express an opinion, but it quite another to be inspected every i and t. The IPT is doing many good things for Pool, and they will not be absolutely perfect in the way they go about it. I bet you are difficult to play Pool with ... lol

You are right. Its only something insignificant like paying out on time!
Pool tournament= payout. Its the most basic thing.

The person who has made a big deal about Real Money and Real Rules is KT himself. HE is the one who has made a big deal about how the IPT differs from the competition and what happens?
On the very first tourny they go back on their word and risk bad publicity! Thats what this thread is all about. It doesn't make sense! Why would a billionare try to squeeze a few more $ out of pool players?
Gabber.............how about $50 for a dvd non-event?

 

[Fuji-whopper]

What I don't understand is, and correct me if I am wrong.

Why is that that Gabber, who may or may not be an IPT member, *****ing about the payouts when I don't see ANY of the players doing so?

 

[rackmsuckr]

You are right. Its only something insignificant like paying out on time!
Pool tournament= payout. Its the most basic thing.

The person who has made a big deal about Real Money and Real Rules is KT himself. HE is the one who has made a big deal about how the IPT differs from the competition and what happens?
On the very first tourny they go back on their word and risk bad publicity! Thats what this thread is all about. It doesn't make sense! Why would a billionare try to squeeze a few more $ out of pool players?
Gabber.............how about $50 for a dvd non-event?

Gabber, if you want to watch the Mike Sigel/Loree Jon event so badly, I will send you an extra copy I have. I would bet that the costs to produce the event and the DVD's cost much more than $50.

 

[Gabber]

What I don't understand is, and correct me if I am wrong.No correction needed, you don't understand!

Why is that that Gabber, who may or may not be an IPT member, *****ing about the payouts when I don't see ANY of the players doing so?

Again, thats not the point.

Can you answer 2 simple questions?[ I doubt it ]

KT announced, months before the tournament [ in black and white on the IPT website] that he would pay prizemoney after every round.
Yes or No ?

If KT has the money, why didn't he just issue the checks?
Why?

Gabber

 

[Fuji-whopper]

I am tired of arguing the point, obviously Gabber you are in the small percentage of people that don't make mistakes. Have a perfect day in your perfect life, hope you don't spend too much of your time pointing out other people's erroneous ways.

 

[Gabber]

I am tired of arguing the point, obviously Gabber you are in the small percentage of people that don't make mistakes. Have a perfect day in your perfect life, hope you don't spend too much of your time pointing out other people's erroneous ways.

Again no answers!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, if you can prove to me that this was a 'mistake' , I will STFU!

I,m waiting.

Gabber.

 

[NYC cue dude]

gabber, you have finally set the record straight by defining your agenda with "$50 dvd for a non event" comment.

I think you are the ONLY one in the pool world (obviously and outsider looking in) who thinks the vegas tournament was a non event. If you can't afford the $50 bucks, just say so.

If you are reffereing to the jones/sigel match, well then you are clearly not on the ipt tour (would have received all the dvds free in your gift bag). That match has histroical significance in that it set the wheels of motion in progress.

The players don't feel like KT went back on his word. He explained the payout format at the players meeting. No one there objected. Perhaps if they did, he may have addressed why he was changing his previous policies. The ipt is not a democracy. Things change and evolve. If the players don't like it, they can get up and leave.

Why are you so interested? You obviously have no stake in whether this tour succeeds or fails. If it is none of your business, perhaps you shouldn't start trouble where there is none.

 

[oneballeddie]

I'm confused about people saying it cost more for a room if you booked the IPT special rate. I was booking on the Venetian website and it was $199/night but then I found the IPT special for $179/night and changed to that. If you look on the Venetian website they don't offer any rooms under $199 normally. The $179/night rate the IPT got was also for the Venezia Bella suites which are normally $249/night and have 2 queen size beds. If you wanted you could book the single king bed suite for $179 but it was only $199 normally.

Whoever got a room for $129 must of been a member of their players club or something to get that kind of rate. Please explain so I can book a cheaper rate at future events!

OK, Strand here's how I got $129 a night. Nope, I'm not a players club member or something. I am a flea in a boxcar to the Venetian. Nope I did not stay in a lesser room. I literally checked into the same room a player checked out of early using my $129 reservation. Here's how it went down: About two months before the tournament I made a reservation for a friend of mine at the Venetian using the IPT's "special" $179 rate. I guess this transaction put me on the Venetian's spam list. About 3 days later the Venetian sent me an email that said: "Enjoy our Summer Getaway Special for $129 a night". So I called and made some new reservations using that rate.

Because I am a good guy and want to help Mr. Trudeau accumulate as much money as he can (so he can make good on any future payout promises) I didn't even go back and cancel that first reservation!

 

[ScottW]

You seem like an intelligent person so PLEASE don't put words into my mouth.

Oh, that's rich, considering you did that exact thing to me earlier in the thread.

 

[Str8PoolMan]

It was for their own good...

...Maybe someone on the inside can tell us why they changed their mind about paying out after every round ?...

Didn't you hear, Gabber? KT didn't want his poor, dumb, gullible pool players to be seduced by the lure of the casinos and gamble all those winnings away.

What a guy!!

 

[Grilled Cheese]

Gabber, I wasn't trying to put words into your mouth. Just trying to make light of the nitpicking against the IPT.


KT had even said something to the effect "don't go gambling your money away"...while it's non of his business what players do, his offer to provide financial planners shows a concern for the well being of his athletes. He wants to see pool players rise out of the gutter and become professionals on other levels, just not the game itself. Part of that is financial stability, which he puts a huge emphasis on as part of the benefit of being an IPT player. Other professionals in virtually all other sports are surrounded by a network of planners and money makers. They diversify and become business owners, property owners...you name it.


Image is everything. It doesn't help the IPT one bit if the players, because of a lifetime of gambling and bad planning and poor direction due to living in that "world" or environment with little to zero postive or productive influence, end up playing on the tour and wind up without a nickel to their name. That's sad. The IPT wants its players to succeed, so they will be the envy of other players and newcomers and youngsters. That's what will grow the sport. Do you think aspiring athletes would have the same attitude towards baseball or football if they knew becoming a professional in either meant poverty? I doubt it. Finanical gain is a huge incentive, a huge motivator, and it generates interest on all levels.

There's a great champion right now that's often talked about on this forum that is in a very bad financial situation. It is shocking to learn that someone with so many accomplishments, so many titles - is living day by day.

Anyway, to stay a little more germane to the thread - I never said anyone else in the thread thought of KT's move to be a "conspiracy"..I just said that the likelyhood of him doing it for hotel kickbacks is pretty remote. So remote, it would be like a conspiracy. He's paid out how many millions already between prize money, event costs, staff, leases/rentals, ads, TV etc..? A lot. He's not going to do that to the players to earn a little bit back. It's almost silly.

 

[Gabber]

gabber, you have finally set the record straight by defining your agenda with "$50 dvd for a non event" comment. I am reffering to the Sigel-Reyes KOTH final.

I think you are the ONLY one in the pool world (obviously and outsider looking in) who thinks the vegas tournament was a non event. If you can't afford the $50 bucks, just say so.

If you are reffereing to the jones/sigel match, well then you are clearly not on the ipt tour (would have received all the dvds free in your gift bag). That match has histroical significance in that it set the wheels of motion in progress..
The players don't feel like KT went back on his word. He explained the payout format at the players meeting. .. He also explained the payout format on the IPT website.
No one there objected. .. What if they did?
Perhaps if they did, he may have addressed why he was changing his previous policies. The ipt is not a democracy. Things change and evolve. If the players don't like it, they can get up and leave. .. Exactly, KT can change anything anytime he wants and if you don't like it, you know what you can do!


Why are you so interested? You obviously have no stake in whether this tour succeeds or fails. If it is none of your business, perhaps you shouldn't start trouble where there is none.

Really, would it have been too much trouble to e-mail the players of this change BEFORE they got to the tournament? Pool players are not rich and some might have been banking on that money.

If the IPT wants my support all they have to do is be above board, open and fair.

Gabber

 

[ScottW]

Not every player has email, or even regular internet access. Wasn't there a big stink last year, when the application process was going, that a bunch of folks who "should" have been chosen weren't, because they didn't hear about the application deadline in time, because word was spreading around on the net and they weren't on it? :/

And yes, they may have stated their plans to pay folks after every round on the website, and changed the plan later - it's a fairly minor thing, compared to something like changing the payout values or the like. If they up and *didn't* pay out the winnings, now that I could see getting really pissed off about. This, it's minor in the grand scheme.

Just another instance of folks reading a statement of intent and calling it a "promise". I've seen it dozens of times on the net, especially with the massive-multiplayer online game crowd. Game dev states "we have no plans to do (something)", said something eventually happens, the Internet Hordes begin screaming "THEY PROMISED!!!" etc.

Relax! Chill. Breathe. That's better.

 

[Gabber]

Not every player has email, or even regular internet access. Wasn't there a big stink last year, when the application process was going, that a bunch of folks who "should" have been chosen weren't, because they didn't hear about the application deadline in time, because word was spreading around on the net and they weren't on it? :/

And yes, they may have stated their plans to pay folks after every round on the website, and changed the plan later - it's a fairly minor thing, compared to something like changing the payout values or the like. If they up and *didn't* pay out the winnings, now that I could see getting really pissed off about. This, it's minor in the grand scheme.

Just another instance of folks reading a statement of intent and calling it a "promise". I've seen it dozens of times on the net, especially with the massive-multiplayer online game crowd. Game dev states "we have no plans to do (something)", said something eventually happens, the Internet Hordes begin screaming "THEY PROMISED!!!" etc.

Relax! Chill. Breathe. That's better.

You sound to me like someone whio has never played a REAL tourny in his ENTIRE life! You are OBVIOUSLY not a player!
You have never gone to a tourny with only the entrance fee and had to rely on winning some money[ and getting paid ] , just to pay your bar bill!



gabber

 

[ScottW]

Ah, so instead of rebutting the content of my post, you launch a personal attack, using yet another internet forum cliche' - playing the "OBVIOUSLY!" card. *Yawns*

And frankly, I hope I am *never* in the situation where I depend on doing well at a given tournament in order to "pay my bar bill". I prefer being better prepared than that.

You sound like you think the combination of poverty and gambling is something to strive for.

 

[Gabber]

Ah, so instead of rebutting the content of my post, you launch a personal attack, using yet another internet forum cliche' - playing the "OBVIOUSLY!" card. *Yawns* if you were to say anything intelligent , I would reply.

And frankly, I hope I am *never* in the situation where I depend on doing well at a given tournament in order to "pay my bar bill". I prefer being better prepared than that. Like I said, you are obviously not a pool player and haven't a clue about anything to do with a pool player's possible financial situation!

You sound like you think the combination of poverty and gambling is something to strive for.

Gabber..............................

 

[wayne]

If the IPT wants my support all they have to do is be above board, open and fair.

Gabber

LOL. Do you really think anyone at the IPT cares about your support? I can guarantee you that no one has a clue who you are or cares about what you say except yourself. (Man, what an ego!)

Wayne

 

[Steve Lipsky]

Gabber,

It is not KT's responsibility to hold the players' hands. It is probably difficult for a person like KT to understand the mindset of a 30 year old grown man who does not own a credit card. Or have a checking account. While obviously these types of people do exist, it is not KT's responsibility to go out of his way to cater to them.

You are clearly going to respond by just saying "Well he told them they were getting paid after each round" and perhaps you're correct according to the letter of the law, as it were.

Did these players speak to any IPT representative about their predicament? I am sure KT would have been happy to lend a guy an advance on his prize money if the situation were truly dire.

But to me, this all just sounds like the sour grapes of someone who is more angry at the lot he's chosen in life, at his inability to come up with some way to pay what amounts to a very small sum of money.

I say this in all seriousness: if you are a grown man and cannot figure out a way to deal with a situation like this, you need to re-think some things in your life. That's a much larger issue than KT re-thinking the payment schedule.

- Steve

 

[cigardave]

LOL. Do you really think anyone at the IPT cares about your support? I can guarantee you that no one has a clue who you are or cares about what you say except yourself. (Man, what an ego!)

Wayne

My thoughts exactly Wayne... you beat me to it... and likely beat a LOT of other people to it as well.