IPT Slow To Pay

I am all for Jay, however be factual

ribdoner said:
You make a very good point but you might have missed THE point.

DA said check was "in the mail" some time ago.

Check has NOT arrived.

I concur with your opinion about JH getting paid.....it shouldn't be this stressfull for those directly involved.

Word of advice for DA.....disclosure is the best course of action when the wheels fall off.:)
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DA did not say check was "in the mail", rather he said check would be going out Friday or Monday. The only way he would know it was in the mail is if he personally mailed it or witnessed someone doing it.
Either way someone should have mailed it by now.
 
Same point as to Ridoner

Jimmy M. said:
I feel obligated to mention that Deno isn't the only one with a good reputation in the billiard community. Everyone on the West Coast knows Jay Helfert and everyone who knows him also knows that he's been a long time contributor to the game. I can't really hold it against him too much for being angry about not getting paid because, while $5500 might not be a large amount of money in the grand scheme of things, pretty much all of us would be fairly pissed off if we felt like we were getting screwed out of that amount. I don't think that the delay is the major fault of the IPT at this point. I think that the fact that they told him that "the check was in the mail", when it obviously wasn't, is more of an issue. Also, the fact that Deno, great reputation and all, would call Jay to curse him out for making this public is a bit disturbing. If the debt was paid and/or Jay didn't feel like he was getting the run-around, I don't think any of us would know about this right now.

Hopefully he'll get paid soon and all of the IPT cheerleaders can say "I told you so", all of the IPT detractors can say "took long enough", and that's the last we'll all hear of it.
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He was never told the check was in the mail. What Jay told us was,
Someone told him check coming soon, then accounting was sending the checks then check would be going out Friday or Monday by Deno. Don't you find a lot of companies work like that, the one your talking to has no idea if check went out unless they personally put it in mail. I know I am waiting for an escrow check from a major company for 21 days now and still have not got it and that is the answer I get, check is in the mail. Yeh.
Don't get me wrong I am all for Jay and want him to get paid but he was actually never told it was in the mail, just insinuated.
 
nfty9er said:
He was never told the check was in the mail. What Jay told us was,
Someone told him check coming soon, then accounting was sending the checks then check would be going out Friday or Monday by Deno. Don't you find a lot of companies work like that, the one your talking to has no idea if check went out unless they personally put it in mail. I know I am waiting for an escrow check from a major company for 21 days now and still have not got it and that is the answer I get, check is in the mail. Yeh.
Don't get me wrong I am all for Jay and want him to get paid but he was actually never told it was in the mail, just insinuated.
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Eh, I've said all I felt like saying. You guys are all right. I suppose it's perfectly acceptable. Of course, no one has said this. It's just been insinuated. :D
 
How come I can electronically file my taxes but it takes the Government at least two weeks to electronically send my refund to my checking account?

That's the gratitude I get for giving them an interest free loan.

Jake
 
JAM said:
Financial transactions such as payment for advertisements is between the IPT and AzBilliards, and quite frankly, IMHO, it isn't anybody's business except the parties involved. Why do you, as a member of AzBilliards Discussion Forum, think you are entitled to a reply about a business matter that doesn't involve you personally?

JAM
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I was simply trying to make the point that the only reason why AZMike chose to make a post in this thread is because the IPT is a big advertiser on his site. His view is anything but impartial.

The IPT, KT, Deno, the accountants or Chicago's mail system (if that is what you want to believe) has wronged Jay Helfert in this instance. There is no argument to that. The IPT could give KM financial freedom so, of course, I understand your standing behind them. I hope he wins millions & can travel around the country playing in any tournament he chooses. It is obvious he loves pool & playing pool. But I don't see how anyone could defend the IPT on this occasion. I have never met Jay but I have heard of him for years & his status in the 'pool community' is such that I don't doubt his word.

Admitting you are wrong is hard to do. I would respect the IPT more if they did so and moved forward.
 
jjinfla said:
How come I can electronically file my taxes but it takes the Government at least two weeks to electronically send my refund to my checking account?
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Because, if you don't like it, you can just get arrested, fined, and/or have everything you own taken from you if you decide not to participate in their little business. The IPT has no such luxury. :)
 
watchez said:
I believe that taping a phone conversation is legal as long as one of the parties involved knows the conversation is being taped. It is only illegal if somehow I place a recording device on your phone to listen to a call between you & Deno. Is Linda Tripp in jail?:confused:
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It is illegal. It's the reason why telemarketers have to say "just to let you know this call may be monitered or taped for quality control purposes".
 
Here in NY State as long as 1 of the parties being taped is aware of the taping it is legal. I had to unfortunately tape someone who was calling and making nasty remarks to my wife. I simply taped the conversations and turned the taped over to the local police and they contacted the phone company, found out who the person was and we filed harassement charges against this person.............................mike
 
nfty9er said:
DA did not say check was "in the mail", rather he said check would be going out Friday or Monday. The only way he would know it was in the mail is if he personally mailed it or witnessed someone doing it.
Either way someone should have mailed it by now.
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An error of ommission does NOT get DA off the hook!!

After STATING the check would go out FRI or MON it is incumbent that HE follow up and insure it GOES out.

The point could be mute now that the check is "LOST" (implying a check was mailed) and a "replacement" check was being sent.

Advice for DA--honest disclosure is the best way to get egg off your face
 
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Deno is very busy and I will give him the benefit of doubt that he was speaking in good faith when he told Jay the check was in the mail. Deno seems like a very respectable person. I hope this could be resolved soon, and Jay will get his check as soon as possible.

This is off topic here. Please forgive me.

In my opinion, just because someone has a business dealing with the IPT does not mean that person is not creditable when expressing his/her opinion on the matter. We should judge the content of the opinion, rather than guess the motive behind it, when we judge if an opinion makes sense.

How do we know if any of these people with a screen name is not working on any project against the IPT, or has a personal agenda against Deno?

Do we have to force everyone to disclose his/her full identity and relationship with the IPT before posting? In my opinion, it is not fair to say someone has a vested interest because he/she is honest enough to use his/her real name.
 
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We should judge the content of the opinion, rather than guess the motive behind it, when we judge if an opinion makes sense.

Valid point but what works versus the way things should be do not usually play out in a majority rules setting. My point being President Bush gets slaughtered due to all the counter press against him and the rating of his polls shows its working.

When's the last time you heard something good about a married man who doesn't cheat on his wife and explains things as simple as possible. Stuff like that just doesn't sell newspapers.

Reason could be because there is nothing bad to say about him instead people have to create this smorgasboard of bad press pointing out all the little details about his administration.

Where as someone like KT who had his own 60 minute special where the guy answered questions about as tactfully as President Clinton defining what sexual intercourse is(that was a fun discussion in sex ed).

If his business practices to his book are going to transfer over to what the billiards community has established, whether or not its a step back or foward I can't say yet.
 
nipponbilliards said:
Deno is very busy and I will give him the benefit of doubt that he was speaking in good faith when he told Jay the check was in the mail. Deno seems like a very respectable person. I hope this could be resolved soon, and Jay will get his check as soon as possible.

This is off topic here. Please forgive me.

In my opinion, just because someone has a business dealing with the IPT does not mean that person is not creditable when expressing his/her opinion on the matter. We should judge the content of the opinion, rather than guess the motive behind it, when we judge if an opinion makes sense.

How do we know if any of these people with a screen name is not working on any project against the IPT, or has a personal agenda against Deno?

Do we have to force everyone to disclose his/her full identity and relationship with the IPT before posting? In my opinion, it is not fair to say someone has a vested interest because he/she is honest enough to use his/her real name.
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I have nothing against the IPT. I just call each instance as I see em.

AZMike's interest in the IPT is more than obvious. If you don't see it then I can call you nothing but a fool.
 
nipponbilliards said:
Deno is very busy and I will give him the benefit of doubt that he was speaking in good faith when he told Jay the check was in the mail. Deno seems like a very respectable person. I hope this could be resolved soon, and Jay will get his check as soon as possible.

This is off topic here. Please forgive me.

In my opinion, just because someone has a business dealing with the IPT does not mean that person is not creditable when expressing his/her opinion on the matter. We should judge the content of the opinion, rather than guess the motive behind it, when we judge if an opinion makes sense.

How do we know if any of these people with a screen name is not working on any project against the IPT, or has a personal agenda against Deno?

Do we have to force everyone to disclose his/her full identity and relationship with the IPT before posting? In my opinion, it is not fair to say someone has a vested interest because he/she is honest enough to use his/her real name.
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DA,as a good business man should have followed up to insure that, as you stated, what he told J became reality. Don't you, as a good business man, follow this policy?
I don't think there are any "agendas" against the IPT or DA.
People are doing what they do on these venues---sharing OPINIONS.
You might consider asking people to disclose "full identities" and business relashonships on internet boards you control....I think you'll find it a very desolate place.
I'm confused by the rest of your post...can you clarify it?:)

Thank you, Adam
 
The Check Arrived Today!

I received a check today via Fedex from the IPT for $5,500.

THANK YOU AZBILLIARDS!!!!

It is a bittersweet feeling right now. It has taken SIX WEEKS of waiting and aggravation to reach this point. I am truly sorry that I had to go on here with my complaints, but I reached a point two weeks ago where I felt I had no other recourse.

I bear no ill will toward Deno or Kevin. I am just no longer interested in supporting the IPT. My trust with them has been broken. They have lost one good backer.

For the sake of the pool players, I hope the IPT has many tournaments and pays millions of dollars to the players. They deserve it. What they do not deserve is to be treated like anything less then the "stars" that they are.
The great players are "The Show" and without them the IPT has no product.

Cliff and I were not treated with respect by the IPT. Our requests were either ignored or shunted off to the side and summarily dismissed, until I began to post here.

Hopefully, this thread will be a wake up call to the powers that be at the IPT. And they will revise their policies in respect to how they deal with the very people who choose to support them.
 
Spend it wisely ...

Jay ... might be a long time before another comes ... lol

What is mystifying to me, as being an IS person that has worked with
all accounting groups for many years, and seved as top Payroll person
for a 5,000+ employee company, is why it took 6 weeks. It is fairly common
procedure for a pay situation to warrant the head Financial Officer to call
payroll and tell them to cut a check for so-and-so and charge to a particular account. Depending on the circumstance, the information is fed into a
computerized system (of which is usually paid weekly), or the check is
handwritten, and mailed out.

Considering that they did not 'pay' very many people from these qualifiers, the delay would have certainly concerned me too.
 
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah,
zip-a-dee-ay.
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day. :)

5,500 will buy a pretty bouquet.
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah,
to the man called "Toupee." :p

JAM
 
I'm glad to hear it worked out for you Jay.

I just hope that this is an isolated incident.
 
jay helfert said:
I received a check today via Fedex from the IPT for $5,500.
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Hi Jay. I'm happy it's been resolved.

Out of curiosity, since people were inferring things based on KT's announcement that it was a personal "gift" (and not prize money), was the check written from KT's account, or the IPT?

Thanks,
Steve
 
JAM said:
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah,
zip-a-dee-ay.
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day. :)

5,500 will buy a pretty bouquet.
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah,
to the man called "Toupee." :p

JAM
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What we have here is a " Gleefull Gloater ".:D I am glad it worked out myself. I will tell ya this JAM, if the whole thing falls apart I will not gloat about it. I am a KT skeptic but do not wish any harm on anyone. I will ask you this, if Keith was in the same situation for 6 weeks, how would you feel.:rolleyes: Again, I hope it never happens and I hope KT keeps all his promises.
Your Friend, Purdman:cool:
The Gleefull Gloater is a pet name my wife gave me when I beat her in 8 ball 10 games in a row and smile about it.:D
 
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