IPT Snubs

[mapman72]

Just curious to hear about those who DID apply for the IPT and WERE NOT selected. I've heard about some here and there, but I would like to see a running list of people who DEFINITELY applied and were snubbed. I heard that the following player is one who applied and didn't get selected:

Joe Tucker

 

[macguy]

Just curious to hear about those who DID apply for the IPT and WERE NOT selected. I've heard about some here and there, but I would like to see a running list of people who DEFINITELY applied and were snubbed. I heard that the following player is one who applied and didn't get selected:

Joe Tucker

Several thousand applied and only 150 were to be picked, there figures to be some who won't get picked even though they are qualified players. I would not call it being snubbed.

 

[ShootingArts]

snubbed?

Just curious to hear about those who DID apply for the IPT and WERE NOT selected. I've heard about some here and there, but I would like to see a running list of people who DEFINITELY applied and were snubbed. I heard that the following player is one who applied and didn't get selected:

Joe Tucker

Was anybody snubbed? There was room for 150 players. Those players were selected by criteria that was only announced after the selection process was over. However that doesn't mean anyone was snubbed.

When and if someone was excluded when they met all of the criteria then they can claim to have been snubbed. Meanwhile, there was room for 150 players, 150 were selected, time to get on with life!

Hu

 

[Nostroke]

Just curious to hear about those who DID apply for the IPT and WERE NOT selected. I've heard about some here and there, but I would like to see a running list of people who DEFINITELY applied and were snubbed. I heard that the following player is one who applied and didn't get selected:

Joe Tucker

Richard Broumpton

Tony Crosby

 

[Mike Templeton]

Just curious to hear about those who DID apply for the IPT and WERE NOT selected. I've heard about some here and there, but I would like to see a running list of people who DEFINITELY applied and were snubbed. I heard that the following player is one who applied and didn't get selected:

Joe Tucker

KT is touting Hall-of-Famers and past accomplishments. That makes me wonder why former US Open champion Reed Pierce (even though he has been under the radar lately) was left off the list. David Matlock is another glaring omission (IMO).

Mike

 

[macguy]

KT is touting Hall-of-Famers and past accomplishments. That makes me wonder why former US Open champion Reed Pierce (even though he has been under the radar lately) was left off the list. David Matlock is another glaring omission (IMO).

Mike

They may have given some preference to those who applied first.

 

[JAM]

Over 3,000 applications were submitted to the IPT.

The deadline was September 30, 2005.

The 150 members who were selected are a very diverse group, with quite a good representation of players from around the world, American Hall of Famers, veterans, young guns.

Those who did get in the first season managed to submit their application before the due date.

There are QUALIFIERS for the IPT Tour which will be OPEN to those who desire to pay a $1,000 entry fee in 2006.

According to the IPT website, there will only be one event in 2005, which is the King of the Hill Shootout in Orlando, November 30 through December 4.

I do not understand this thread.

JAM

 

[Snapshot9]

They said ...

they would pick 150 with a certain amount of HOF,
they did not state they would be the best 150 in the world,
did they? You are going by your requirements for selection,
which do not agree with their requirements for selection.

They are going to have qualifiers, the list will naturally upgrade
in coming years. Everybody is so ready to cut and dissect every
little item about it .... bottom line, it will be good for Pool, and
they are not going to listen to you or anybody else. KT has his
own ideas, I would too if it was my money going into it.

 

[mapman72]

Jam

I do not understand this thread.

JAM

You would if Keith wasn't chosen and less skilled players were.

 

[onepocketchump]

You would if Keith wasn't chosen and less skilled players were.

I guess the answer here is that the selection process was entirely up to Kevin Trudeau. You all *****ed about the $899 application fee so he lowered to $1 and you are still *****ing.

It's REAL simple. The hall of famers are IN. Those who got their apps in early AND have some degree of skill were picked. It's not like people didn't KNOW about it.

Keith has a very capable partner to help him so his app probably looked good and was in as early as humany possible.

No one knows if, when or how anyone else's applications looked like.

THe first responsibility goes to the PLAYER to fend for themselves. The second goes to the organizations, the UPA, the WPBA, BCA and so on.

Tell the players who didn't get in to put up their $1000 and get in the two open tournaments.

Actually, I believe that IF Kevin would reserve open spots for each tournament and hold qualifiers for those spots then he would see a great satellite tour to feed the main tour. With 3-4000 applications however it is CLEAR that the interest is there. Will it still be there when it costs $20,000 a year to attempt to qualify for the main tour? If you look at golf you would have to say yes.

John

 

[Josh Palmer]

I just hope that they televise it with some Star studded audiences, and it will make for a good shot in the arm for pool.

 

[Snapshot9]

Website ...

They are getting things done, If you go to the website, and
look at the revised and new information on the site. Just to
keep their website uptodate is not especially easy. They are
sending out announcements to anyone that signs up. Sounds
to me like Kevin is staying right in the middle of things. I bet
by the 25th of this month, there will be further information
about what the William Morris is going to do. (How do you think
WM chose its project team for this project, Tom - How often
do you play pool and what is your skill rating? ... lol) You can
say what you want about Kevin and his past, but he is not a
multi-millionaire for nothing. The guy has got to be pretty smart.

A lot of the really rich people in this country had shaky starts.
(I believe Joseph Kennedy or his father was a bootlegger at 1 time).

I think things are coming together pretty well considering.

 

[pete lafond]

They are getting things done, If you go to the website, and
look at the revised and new information on the site. Just to
keep their website uptodate is not especially easy. They are
sending out announcements to anyone that signs up. Sounds
to me like Kevin is staying right in the middle of things. I bet
by the 25th of this month, there will be further information
about what the William Morris is going to do. (How do you think
WM chose its project team for this project, Tom - How often
do you play pool and what is your skill rating? ... lol) You can
say what you want about Kevin and his past, but he is not a
multi-millionaire for nothing. The guy has got to be pretty smart.

A lot of the really rich people in this country had shaky starts.
(I believe Joseph Kennedy or his father was a bootlegger at 1 time).

I think things are coming together pretty well considering.

I think they are coming together as well as it can right know. I'm not there but can definitely since things are happening, The more that is going on, the more impatient I am to see it take off with the first tournament.

 

[Jimmy M.]

When I applied I didn't expect to get picked because I don't know any of the guys doing the picking. I'm not out there playing, doing anything to get any exposure as any kind of player. I'm a working stiff and, because of that, I don't hit balls as often as I'd like to and my play is a little inconsistent. I figured they would find 150, more deserving, players before my name came up. However, when the list came out and I saw some of the people that were on it, yeah, I got a little irritated. I even responded to my "we regret to inform you..." email and let them know I was irritated.

Now, after having some time to think about it, I realize that I have my own idea of what a "deserving player" is. Obviously they didn't pick people based only on their skill level. Personally, I still don't agree with it because, after all, I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a "professional" tour. However, KT is the one putting up the money. He is the one putting all of the effort into this to make it happen, and he is entitled to pick his list of 150 however he wants. I still feel like this is the most promising thing to come along in pool since I have been playing. If it's successful, I'm guessing that all of the players who play good enough to make it will get their chance.

 

[frankncali]

When I applied I didn't expect to get picked because I don't know any of the guys doing the picking. I'm not out there playing, doing anything to get any exposure as any kind of player. I'm a working stiff and, because of that, I don't hit balls as often as I'd like to and my play is a little inconsistent. I figured they would find 150, more deserving, players before my name came up. However, when the list came out and I saw some of the people that were on it, yeah, I got a little irritated. I even responded to my "we regret to inform you..." email and let them know I was irritated.

Now, after having some time to think about it, I realize that I have my own idea of what a "deserving player" is. Obviously they didn't pick people based only on their skill level. Personally, I still don't agree with it because, after all, I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a "professional" tour. However, KT is the one putting up the money. He is the one putting all of the effort into this to make it happen, and he is entitled to pick his list of 150 however he wants. I still feel like this is the most promising thing to come along in pool since I have been playing. If it's successful, I'm guessing that all of the players who play good enough to make it will get their chance.

Jimmy
I think you play very good pool and agree that your better than some of the picks but there are a ton of players close or even to your level. I looked at his list and tried to think like a guy starting something. You cant not have it all at the start. He has enough talent and names to get it going and still has
enough "jimmy m's" to cause a stir in later years.
IMO I think the top level of pool is easy to see but after that its very regional and local. One thing I am hoping to see is guys like you, Stevie Moore,
Lorry D, JD from Seattle, Steve McCannich (sp?) , and the literally 100s of others be able to prove yourself and find a place on a tour. You guys will be the stories that drives the second season and the qualifiers the first year.
Golf is headed by the big guys but alot of its stories are guys scratching to
make it. Even the announcers seem to get emotionally involved with these guys.
As fans I think we have an attration to the top and to the underdogs. Guys that have been out there hanging tough in the middle ground get overlooked easily and thats a shame.
I think the IPT is doing this thing right as of now. First event in Vegas to kick it off and now using some HOF guys names to get it flowing. I wonder if he had went and gotten the 150 best players if anyone outside of pool would have even recognized a name. Now he just has to somehow build a TV
Sport. 8 ball was a good choice as well IMO.

 

[EddieFast]

Time to Move on.....

Just curious to hear about those who DID apply for the IPT and WERE NOT selected. I've heard about some here and there, but I would like to see a running list of people who DEFINITELY applied and were snubbed. I heard that the following player is one who applied and didn't get selected:

Joe Tucker

Please... get over it. Nobody got snubbed. Instead of crying about those that you think were "snubbed" why don't you spend your time productively and get ready to play?? We all should thank our lucky 8 Balls that someone has finally decided to take a huge chance and put up some real money to try and put our sport on the map.

Cudos to Keith and Deno for making a committment to this sport. Let's all give them a chance to make it successful.

 

[SlimShafty]

With only 150 players and the IPT obviously wanting to start with a diverse selection, some really good players would feel this way. But I feel this is good for the start IMO. Nobody was snubbed so to speak, because those who missed being selected will have there chance in the IPT 2007 Qualifying Tournament Date: November 25-December 3, 2006 which the top 50 will get a tour card. The opens offer a chance for others to get a piece of the action as well.

If Kevin wanted to exclude people from playing on tour, there would be no cut and following qualifier to select 50 new players, he would have just kept selecting players and not let competition weed out the best/worst.

With only 150 players, some really good players will always be left out, even with the qualifier, but this may leave room for a competitor to run an 8-ball under tour for prospective tour players like the PGA's nationwide tour.

I feel 150 is perfect, if you had more, the money would get diluted and many players on tour would be stuck sharing a smaller share of a large purse, even with 150, the bottom 75 players at each stop will have it hard. The PGA after all the years has what around 300 tour pro's? Even If things get real good I wouldn't want to see players added, better to add more tour stops or increase the payout to the lower half of the 150.

If you didn't get selected it certainly doesn't mean you are not a great player, it just means in the start he wanted to have a diverse group from all areas of the sport, it works well to promote the tour.

 

[hemicudas]

HOF Members

If all the living HOF members were invited, maybe if they filled out an application, the glairing omission is HOFer, Jean Balukas. I wish one of you New Yorkers would ask her if she filed an application.

 

[JAM]

You would if Keith wasn't chosen and less skilled players were.

Joey, there have been many threads as of late pertaining to player selection.

I do not understand this thread because the SAME inquiry has been asked and answered MANY times on this forum since the player selection announcement.

You may enjoy controversy and negativity, but hey, if that's what floats your boat, then so be it.

As far as Keith goes, of course, I am excited he was chosen. If you were able to walk in Keith's shoes for the past 30-plus years on the American tournament trail, you would understand why.

JAM

 

[onepocketchump]

When I applied I didn't expect to get picked because I don't know any of the guys doing the picking. I'm not out there playing, doing anything to get any exposure as any kind of player. I'm a working stiff and, because of that, I don't hit balls as often as I'd like to and my play is a little inconsistent. I figured they would find 150, more deserving, players before my name came up. However, when the list came out and I saw some of the people that were on it, yeah, I got a little irritated. I even responded to my "we regret to inform you..." email and let them know I was irritated.

Now, after having some time to think about it, I realize that I have my own idea of what a "deserving player" is. Obviously they didn't pick people based only on their skill level. Personally, I still don't agree with it because, after all, I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a "professional" tour. However, KT is the one putting up the money. He is the one putting all of the effort into this to make it happen, and he is entitled to pick his list of 150 however he wants. I still feel like this is the most promising thing to come along in pool since I have been playing. If it's successful, I'm guessing that all of the players who play good enough to make it will get their chance.

I think that we can all confidently say that you have pro-class talent. I don't but I have beaten one of the pros on the list EVERY time I have played him. But the difference is that he makes his living as a professional pool player, going to tournaments, working for pro pool, giving lessons and exhibitions. In, other words, as you pointed out, his profile is higher than yours. No one, besides a select few, could be reasonably expected to believe that you are a better player. I know of a lot of good players, good gamblers but I had never heard of Jimmy Marino in over 20 years of following this game.

It kills me to see some people listed as pros. Forget about the IPT, that is a new thing and the people on that list aren't all pros but they are all pioneers chosen to take the maiden voyage. I mean some of the people who played on the Camel tour and some who play on the UPA tour do not have professional class talent and I know it. But, they enjoy the status of calling themselves pros because they are allowed to continue.

Now, with the advent of a tour which promises to reward performance with accolade rather than rewarding who can afford to play at pool rather than work at it, we will see that those who are called pro pool players will possess the talent to be correctly labeled as such.

It's somewhat unfortunate that some very deserving players were left off but such is life with a new venture. Let's hope that all those who want it will try next year.

John