IPT Travel and lodging expenses
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macguy said:
Ok, that explains everything! LOL.
Wally in Cincy said:
That would be correct Wally, I don't remember the exact number but it was alot, maybe even more than four (in case you can't tell, my memory is crap
) He did it against Ga Young Kim who, at the time, spoke very poor english and couldn't really contest what was happening with the TD. It was one of the most classless acts I have ever seen and pretty much destroyed any previous respect I had for Mike.
Bernie ....
You obviously are looking for the 'drama' for reality Pool. Obviously, you must have never followed or watched Bob Hope in his career. A slight pause, a half smile, or just a glance of his eyes to the side, would always send audiences laughing. And everyone I knew or know always liked to watch
Bob Hope. Subtlety can be just more entertaining than extreme acts of
juvenile proporotions. This is a professional tour, it is being conducted as
such, and the players have demands on them to maintain it that way.
You can have fun without appearing as a 'low class' individual.
You obviously are looking for the 'drama' for reality Pool. Obviously, you must have never followed or watched Bob Hope in his career. A slight pause, a half smile, or just a glance of his eyes to the side, would always send audiences laughing. And everyone I knew or know always liked to watch
Bob Hope. Subtlety can be just more entertaining than extreme acts of
juvenile proporotions. This is a professional tour, it is being conducted as
such, and the players have demands on them to maintain it that way.
You can have fun without appearing as a 'low class' individual.
macguy said:
The only thing that is out of reach is your opinions, which are way off base.
Macguy said:
Again, you mentioned Keith McCready's name and threw him in the mix of your picks to lose because of me, an IPT proponent. For the record, there is no need for an apology. You didn't hurt my feelings. You angered me for reasons detailed in my previous posts on this thread, but then again, that's your agenda on AzBilliards.
"Gambling all night and playing matches the next day"? This statement right here epitomizes your ignorance as it pertains to me and mine, but I won't take the time to respond to this one. Those who know ME can attest to the agenda I follow on the tournament trail.
As far as "most of the older players and certainly the girls," if you didn't see what happened the first go-around where the ladies got up there and beat some of top guns in the world, then I guess you must be living under a rock. Ask Niels Feijen, Earl Strickland, and Jose Parica, who all got beat by one of the lady pros. They didn't only get beat; they got drowned. There goes your philosophy out the window, Macguy.
One "older player" -- your term, Macguy, not mine -- by the name of Nick Varner advanced to the last day, and another veteran, Buddy Hall, missed advancing by one bad roll, which I happened to witness.
For your information, Macguy, when you have two good players in this kind of format, either one can win, whether they're 60 years old or 12, female or male. By the way, Macguy, do you even play pool? I'm getting the impression that you're one of those hecklers who sits on the sidelines and gets their jollies off by verbally abusing players for no good reason other than to entertain yourself.
Long live the IPT, and down with the naysayers.
JAM
back to IPT travel & lodging expenses
I've been surfing all day for some good deals, & you may want to check out prices on www.travelocity.com , they had the very best prices I could find, especially if you lump air & hotel. (they offer many different hotels, or you can even put in your choice of hotel, such as venetian)
It got even cheaper departing from some other nearby cities. For instance, rather than us fly out of Wichita, if we would drive and depart from Tulsa it is alot less expensive, well worth our driving to Tulsa to save a ton.
Our best friends live there so we don't even need accomodations, but I've just been checking all avenues, & thought I would share what I discovered.
I've been surfing all day for some good deals, & you may want to check out prices on www.travelocity.com , they had the very best prices I could find, especially if you lump air & hotel. (they offer many different hotels, or you can even put in your choice of hotel, such as venetian)
It got even cheaper departing from some other nearby cities. For instance, rather than us fly out of Wichita, if we would drive and depart from Tulsa it is alot less expensive, well worth our driving to Tulsa to save a ton.
Our best friends live there so we don't even need accomodations, but I've just been checking all avenues, & thought I would share what I discovered.
8-ball bernie said:
YOU, a pool player? C'mon, you couldn't beat Tom Thumb and you know it.
Keith McCready said:
I LOVE IT! Keithley, you will never change. Thank God!
Could he play? I imagine. Every top player alive hated to draw Keith. They knew if he was right, they were the underdog. Not him.
To this day, the most talented man I ever saw with a cue in his hand, bar none.
Can he still play? Since he has been with Jam, his game has been resurrected. As long as Keith toes the line and follows the straight and narrow, he is a threat to beat anyone. Period!
JAM said:
Yea, I play pool, played pretty good at one point. I've owned a couple of rooms and have been around the game off and on for close to 50 years. I think my observations are pretty accurate regardless of whether you agree with them or not. I don't know Keith although I have seen him play dozens of times over the years. I was in a pool room one night and he got robbed, they were actually taking money he had dropped on the floor around him and from his hands. My wife said to me "are you going to let this happen"? So I went over and took the money back and gave it back to Keith, looked like around $3000. He stood there blinking at me in a daze not really aware of what had happened. My wife actually pushed it into his pocket. It didn't matter anyway, a little later that night he made a bad game playing one pocket and lost most of it, but at least it wasn't stolen from him. I think it is funny you think I have insulted you while others make comments like, you keeping him on a short leash and keeping him on the straight and narrow toeing the line, like he requires a keeper or something. That is insulting, not what I said. Thats enough though I won't comment on him in the future, good luck.
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macguy said:
In days gone by, you have continued to pummel this forum with negative comments over and over and over about the IPT.
Today it's Keith.
And tomorrow, it will be another topic that you will take great delight posting about your blessed opinions ad nauseam.
In following your lead about providing honest opinions and a healthy debate about pool players, the door swings both ways, Pal. I must state that I believe you are a cancer to this POOL forum, which may be why many folks have you on their ignore list. I'm sure you will zero in on another topic in the coming days which will provide you some more pleasure, at the expense of others.
Happy posting.
JAM
JAM said:
Jennie-O, I'd be careful making a statement like this if I were you. I understand that you're excited about Keith's being picked to play & so on but when you make this type of generalized statement it will only serve as a catalyst to alienate those who you've been on a friendly basis with in the past who have a different opinion on the IPT & Kevin Trudeau.
As you & other folks that regularly read the forum here probably know, I've been 100% deadset against this IPT operation pretty much since its inception. I've made my reasons known in the past as to why I am against this operation & that I have no desire to participate in it in any way whatsoever. Those reasons are only multiplying, particularly since the recent qualifiers. But not once have I ever said, "Down With The IPT Proponents". That's because I understand that there many folks out there with a different opinion of the IPT. In all likelihood, I won't agree with what they're saying about it, but I won't write or say a statement like you did in your reply to "Macguy", Jennie-O.
It's possible that you will more than likely ignore what I'm saying regarding the IPT & I know that I certainly can't stop you from doing that. But ask yourself this Jennie-O... are your feelings regarding the IPT & your excitement about Keith's participation in it worth the risk of just out & out alienating those who have shown kindness to you & Keith both publically & privately in the past that have a different take on the IPT?
vader93490 said:
Vader, I'm pretty sure you know my stance on the IPT, and I have never gotten ugly about it with you.
I am sick to death of the topic relating to the pros and cons about the IPT, but when a thread takes twists and turns, such as this one, and it does get personal, I reply in kind.
I have friends who are staunch Republicans and will argue to the bitter end about their stance with Democrats. Likewise, especially here in D.C., the Democrats, who are in the majority, will debate their opinions as well. It's okay to have a difference of opinion. Personally, I swing both ways on the political lines and avoid getting into heated debates about politics.
If you desire to alienate me, Vader, because of anything I have written on AzBilliards, then that is certainly your prerogative. I truly do not understand why you felt a need to make a post about it. It's almost like feeding a flame, IMHO. Opinions are one thing, but sometimes I think posters want to argue. When all else fails, then they make personal attacks. I'm tired of it.
JAM
JAM said:
My intent is not to alienate you Jennie-O & I'm fairly certain you knew that when you wrote back. You're obviously very excited about Keith being selected, hence your full undying support for the IPT operation. I can't share your excitement & enthusiasm about the IPT & Kevin Trudeau, but you knew that already from previous conversation.
I don't read these forum things that often. I post on them less than I read them. That's common knowledge to you & the other regular forum readers/users.
In this instance Jennie-O, my intent was to try to point out that when I'm seeing you make a generalized statement like "Down With The IPT Naysayers" I then interpreted that to include people like myself & other folks that have shown kindness to you & Keith in the past & you & Keith in turn have been kind to & friendly with. There was no intent on my part of starting an argument with you or "flame" you & I think you know that.
Again, consider what I said earlier. When you make a generalized statement like you did before, it can very easily be mis-construed by those who are ignorant on the subject to mean inclusive of all, including friend & foe both.
Besides that, I'm still calling you "Jennie-O", just like I have in past friendly conversation. That should be demonstrative enough of the friendly intent of my words to you earlier.
vader93490 said:...I'm fairly certain you knew that when you wrote back...but you knew that already from previous conversation...I don't read these forum things that often. I post on them less than I read them...I think you know that...Besides that, I'm still calling you "Jennie-O", just like I have in past friendly conversation. That should be demonstrative enough of the friendly intent of my words to you earlier.
I don't know with certainty about quite a few topics and posters on AzBilliards these days, Vader.
I have read players' posts about other players, name-calling, if you will, when, in fact, the players doing the name-calling do not have clean hands. Some players have selective memory when it comes to their own actions.
I have read posts by promoters who speak out of both sides of their mouths, one minute stating awful things about their peers and the next minute giving them top kudos.
There is one school of thought that there should always be room for honesty, that, in fact, it is okay to state your blessed opinion about another. If the tables were turned, however, and an attacked poster was to actually respond with their own sense of honesty, it would turn into a bloody war of words, flames ensue, tag teams are initiated, trolls surface, and all hell breaks loose.
Where does it stop? When a forum begins to cause anger, sadness, and/or rage. This is a pool forum. If you don't post and/or read very much on here, Vader, you sure picked an unusual thread to respond to. There are so many other posts which may be worthy of your efforts. I think you know me well enough that if you were to read this thread in its entirety, you would understand my words maybe a little better. JMHO, FWIW!
Oh, BTW, I understand you are fondly calling me "Jennie-O," but we just ate a Jennie-O turkey last evening. Are you calling me a turkey, Vader?
JAM
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PoolSleuth
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Holy Cow this THREAD has got real UGLY, and I do not see why. As I understand it all the People Playing in the IPT are self employed freelancers, who do so by choice(play in the IPT) with ZERO EXPECTATIONS of being an Employee.
Also because they are Self Employed Freelancers, and Not employees, when they get money from the IPT it is on an IRS Form 1099, and at YEARS END they fill out a Schedule “C” to show their Profits or Losses from that Self employment.
Seems if I remember the IRS Self Employment/Small Business Rules state you got to show a Profit 3 out of 5 YEARS in Business, and if you Profit you get to pay a WHOPPING 15.3%+ or - into Social Security for your success, plus Income Taxes.
Things like Travel, Rooms, Meals, Cue Tips etc., are all deductions on the Schedule “C” as an self Employment Business Expence.....
Also because they are Self Employed Freelancers, and Not employees, when they get money from the IPT it is on an IRS Form 1099, and at YEARS END they fill out a Schedule “C” to show their Profits or Losses from that Self employment.
Seems if I remember the IRS Self Employment/Small Business Rules state you got to show a Profit 3 out of 5 YEARS in Business, and if you Profit you get to pay a WHOPPING 15.3%+ or - into Social Security for your success, plus Income Taxes.
Things like Travel, Rooms, Meals, Cue Tips etc., are all deductions on the Schedule “C” as an self Employment Business Expence.....
PoolSleuth said:Holy Cow this THREAD has got real UGLY, and I do not see why. As I understand it all the People Playing in the IPT are self employed freelancers, who do so by choice(play in the IPT) with ZERO EXPECTATIONS of being an Employee.
Also because they are Self Employed Freelancers, and Not employees, when they get money from the IPT it is on an IRS Form 1099, and at YEARS END they fill out a Schedule “C” to show their Profits or Losses from that Self employment.
Seems if I remember the IRS Self Employment/Small Business Rules state you got to show a Profit 3 out of 5 YEARS in Business, and if you Profit you get to pay a WHOPPING 15.3%+ or - into Social Security for your success, plus Income Taxes.
Things like Travel, Rooms, Meals, Cue Tips etc., are all deductions on the Schedule “C” as an self Employment Business Expence.....
Well, this is a topic that is very near and dear to my heart, as I do understand the IRS Code. Pool players definitely have many deductions and write-offs, to include the formal attire they are required to wear on the IPT tour. Travel, meals, lodging, et cetera, can be hefty write-offs, too.
It does, in fact, take money to make money, and one must come up with the funds initially to travel the IPT tournament trail. The payoffs will be very high if you are successful, as compared to pool as we know it today. A player must come in third or fourth place to break even at the majority of pool tournaments in the States. The expenditures are very high when compared to the payouts.
Initially, coming up with the funds to make the trek to each IPT event is going to be difficult for quite a large percentage of the players, IMHO.
Some players are used to receiving free entry fees and having their travel/lodging expenses paid for them, whether it be industry members or sponsors. AND there are a few players who ask the promoter to give them a free all-expenses-paid trip to a tournament, which is tough on the promoter who is hoping to break even. This won't be happening on the IPT, as it will be a level playing field, and all players are treated equal.
Most, not all, of the pool players I know do not have the necessary funds up front to attend a 9-day-long event. July is a long way off and the discussion pertaining to travel and lodging expenses on this forum will give players the opportunity to prepare themselves. The one thing that is great about AzBilliards Discussion Forum is hearing from others who have been to Vegas. In the threads pertaining to travel/lodging expenses, there have been some very good tips provided by those in the know.
JAM
PoolSleuth
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JAM said:
Jam I am not sure about the “formal attire” as it could be worn to a wedding, or other formal event.
I remember years ago trying to write off my Suit that were a Job requirement, and my COZ who was a CPA, and did my takes Said NOW WAY could the Suits be written off as if the IRS Audited me, and questioned the “Suits”, they test would have been could I wear them to a Party, Wedding, or other Such GATHERING. The answer was YES. The Deduction was NO.
My UNIFORMS were not to be worn OFF DUTY, so they were write offalble. Think you should check with a CPA before writing off “formal attire”, as once an IRS Audit starts, tis a bummer, and they seem to want to keep digging.
PoolSleuth said:
I had a co-worker who tried to claim her clothing as a write-off, and the IRS declined her deduction for the reasons you state above. Because there is a mandatory DRESS CODE required for the IPT, consisting of suits and button-up shirts for the men, the IRS will accept this as a deduction.
Another little nugget relating to car expenses, the IRS Code allows you to either claim the miles or the car expenses. It's an either/or choice. I usually go with the car expenses, taking the allowed percentage in my bracket. If you claim the miles and get audited, you must provide a logbook with entries for each work-related trip with odometer readings from beginning to end. A friend of mine was audited about his miles he claimed and, because he did not have a logbook, his deductions were denied.
If a player gets his cue worked on, it is difficult to claim repairs as a deduction because most are cash transactions, and in my experience, I usually do not get a receipt, though I have never asked for one either.
Some high-profile events do send out 1099's for any and all tournament winnings. Because of this, I request a receipt from the TD/promoter for the entry fee of the high-profile events, or pay by check, because this is another legitimate write-off.
For each tournament I attend, I have an envelope and place in it each receipt I collect along the way, to include tolls on the highway. Believe me, these tolls add up when you're on the road, especially going from D.C. to New England on I-95. Interestingly, taking I-95 south from D.C. all the way to Florida, there are no tolls. Over the years, I have become a very good record-keeper, and in the year 2006, many players, if they do not do so already, will probably keep good records as well, at least I hope so.
JAM
PoolSleuth
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Well I use to have a Small Business, and everything you say about having Receipts, Logs, Calander, etc. is wonderful if you get called in by the IRS.
Big thing is what COZ use to call RED FLAGS, like Driving a $30,000.00 Car for Business when you are Grossing $10,000.00/Year. Big RED FLAG year ago.
Think Georgio Armani Suits would be a RED FLAG....
Big thing is what COZ use to call RED FLAGS, like Driving a $30,000.00 Car for Business when you are Grossing $10,000.00/Year. Big RED FLAG year ago.
Think Georgio Armani Suits would be a RED FLAG....