IPT update and my reply..........enjoy

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Dear IPT Players & Entrants of the 2007 Tour Card Qualifiers,

The IPT 2007 Season has still not been determined. We are still in the
process of revamping our business model based on the unforeseen legislation
outlawing on-line gaming in the United States. Without our major online
casino sponsor, the IPT must undergo a substantial change to its business
model. I would like to see the IPT make a strong comeback from this dramatic
setback that we have had to deal with. The most important updates are as
follows:

. Players from the 2006 World Open will continue to be paid monthly until
you are paid in full. Payments will be made on the first of each month. No
payment will be made February 1st. The next payment will be March 1st, 2007.
The amount of each payment will be determined each month and may vary from
time to time. It is our full intention to get everyone paid in full within
the next six months.

. As I mentioned previously, for all those who entered 2007 Tour Card
qualification tournaments, if we are not capable of fulfilling our
commitments relating to the 2007 Tour, you will be refunded your enrollment
fee. We plan on making an announcement on April 15, outlining the 2007 &
2008 seasons.

Thank you for your patience and understanding as we deal with these
challenging and unavoidable market-condition situations.

I do have a request for everyone receiving this email. I love the game of
pool and I am very much committed to continuing to invest my own money and
time to making the IPT a successful reality for many years to come. I need
to know if you, the players, want the IPT to flourish. I need to know if I
have your support. If you, the players, could care less if the IPT continues
operating, and if you, the players do not support me in this endeavor, then
it would be foolish of me to continue pursuing this tour. Therefore, I
request that you respond to this email letting me know if you want this tour
to exist and if you support me personally.

I hope that together we can build a successful tour. Thank you again for all
of your encouragement, support, and patience up until this point.

Very truly yours,

Kevin Trudeau
Founder, IPT


MY REPLY----------------------


Regarding the player's support of the IPT. We have always supported the
IPT. The first two tournaments, we supported the IPT more than any other
tournament in history.
The last tournament in Reno we would have supported more fully, only
people that we relied on fell through, congress passed some laws, and the
Earth revolved a bit causing the position of Ursa Minor in the night sky
to change slightly. We still were able to support this tournament more
than any tournament previous to the IPT, and fully intend to continue
support the Reno tournament in the form of monthly support installments
(not including February).
In regards to the future of the IPT, it is our full intention to support
this tour as well as we can. Please understand that it is the first time
that we have supported a tour this grand, and changes have been made and
will continue to be made. If you don't like it, please find another group
of players to support you.
In the end, I am confident that our support will provide a wonderful
living for the IPT, and finally get it the credit that it so strongly
deserves.
 
Tin Man said:
Dear IPT Players & Entrants of the 2007 Tour Card Qualifiers,...
. Players from the 2006 World Open will continue to be paid monthly until you are paid in full. Payments will be made on the first of each month. No payment will be made February 1st. The next payment will be March 1st, 2007. The amount of each payment will be determined each month and may vary from time to time. ...
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A cynic would read this as:

The February 8th payment will be delayed until March 1st and may not be as much as you were hoping for.
 
Bob Jewett said:
A cynic would read this as:

The February 8th payment will be delayed until March 1st and may not be as much as you were hoping for.
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That's an optimists view Bob! The cynic would believe nothing until he/she has 100% of their payment in their pocket. :D
 
Do you think any PLAYERS are willing to PUBLICLY state, "No, I wish the IPT would just go away. We don't need or want this tour?"
 
Let me get this straight: Player confidence is at an all-time low, due to KT's broken promises, non-payment, exposed fabrications, poor communication, off-the-rails egotism, and impossible to believe and constantly changing harebrained cover stories (Ho, et al) --- and he wants to know if the players still have faith in him....personally???!?!?! He's on crack.

Show that you can keep ONE promise without any backpeddling, and give everyone a reason to keep up hope. So far, everything he has said since Reno has been weasle-worded, and portrays the same "poor me" victim stance as his paranoiac govt/pharma conspiracy bunk. "Hey, I'm just the good guy getting screwed by a vast conspiracy of negativity -- but YOU, YOU can see through it, right? You're still with me, on the side of Goodness and Light, right? I gotta know, or else I'm going to take my ball and play in someone else's yard. Someone less negative and more gullible".

Gag.
 
Bob Jewett said:
A cynic would read this as:

The February 8th payment will be delayed until March 1st and may not be as much as you were hoping for.
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Someone who observes and uses empirical evidence might read it that way as well. :rolleyes:

Kelly
 
Always the same old story: Everything is great. But I don't have your money yet.

How many more ways will KT be able to word this?
 
Gazing into My Crystal...

I'm not a prophet, but I will make one prediction:

On or before April 15, 2007, KT will announce he is shutting down operations of the IPT due to lack of support from the players.
 
Str8PoolMan said:
I'm not a prophet, but I will make one prediction:

On or before April 15, 2007, KT will announce he is shutting down operations of the IPT due to lack of support from the players.
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You might not be a prophet, but you are observant. This last BS-o-gram is the opening gambit, setting up exactly what you propose. It would be perfectly in form for him -- another instance in which he tries to do good, only to be thwarted by an ungrateful mob. I can almost hear him saying the words already....
 
Tin Man said:
I need
to know if you, the players, want the IPT to flourish. I need to know if I
have your support. If you, the players, could care less if the IPT continues
operating, and if you, the players do not support me in this endeavor, then
it would be foolish of me to continue pursuing this tour. Therefore, I
request that you respond to this email letting me know if you want this tour
to exist and if you support me personally.

I hope that together we can build a successful tour. Thank you again for all
of your encouragement, support, and patience up until this point.

Very truly yours,

Kevin Trudeau
Founder, IPT
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He's looking for the players to save him...by writing nasty things to him so he can stop the tour and say, "I wanted to keep going, but the players wanted me to call the whole thing off..."

My advice to players receiving this...answer similar to tinman. Let him know you want to support the tour in any way you can but that you need to get paid before you would be able to justify the expenses of traveling and competing.

Don't give him the excuse he needs to shut everything down and not pay.

Cheers,
RC
 
Tin Man said:
Dear IPT Players & Entrants of the 2007 Tour Card Qualifiers,

The IPT 2007 Season has still not been determined. We are still in the
process of revamping our business model based on the unforeseen legislation
outlawing on-line gaming in the United States. Without our major online
casino sponsor, the IPT must undergo a substantial change to its business
model. I would like to see the IPT make a strong comeback from this dramatic
setback that we have had to deal with. The most important updates are as
follows:

. Players from the 2006 World Open will continue to be paid monthly until
you are paid in full. Payments will be made on the first of each month. No
payment will be made February 1st. The next payment will be March 1st, 2007.
The amount of each payment will be determined each month and may vary from
time to time. It is our full intention to get everyone paid in full within
the next six months.

. As I mentioned previously, for all those who entered 2007 Tour Card
qualification tournaments, if we are not capable of fulfilling our
commitments relating to the 2007 Tour, you will be refunded your enrollment
fee. We plan on making an announcement on April 15, outlining the 2007 &
2008 seasons.

Thank you for your patience and understanding as we deal with these
challenging and unavoidable market-condition situations.

I do have a request for everyone receiving this email. I love the game of
pool and I am very much committed to continuing to invest my own money and
time to making the IPT a successful reality for many years to come. I need
to know if you, the players, want the IPT to flourish. I need to know if I
have your support. If you, the players, could care less if the IPT continues
operating, and if you, the players do not support me in this endeavor, then
it would be foolish of me to continue pursuing this tour. Therefore, I
request that you respond to this email letting me know if you want this tour
to exist and if you support me personally.

I hope that together we can build a successful tour. Thank you again for all
of your encouragement, support, and patience up until this point.

Very truly yours,

Kevin Trudeau
Founder, IPT


MY REPLY----------------------


Regarding the player's support of the IPT. We have always supported the
IPT. The first two tournaments, we supported the IPT more than any other
tournament in history.
The last tournament in Reno we would have supported more fully, only
people that we relied on fell through, congress passed some laws, and the
Earth revolved a bit causing the position of Ursa Minor in the night sky
to change slightly. We still were able to support this tournament more
than any tournament previous to the IPT, and fully intend to continue
support the Reno tournament in the form of monthly support installments
(not including February).
In regards to the future of the IPT, it is our full intention to support
this tour as well as we can. Please understand that it is the first time
that we have supported a tour this grand, and changes have been made and
will continue to be made. If you don't like it, please find another group
of players to support you.
In the end, I am confident that our support will provide a wonderful
living for the IPT, and finally get it the credit that it so strongly
deserves.
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Another interpretation might be:

"Please don't sue me or have me indicted. I do not want to go to jail for fraud or using the mails to defraud, or credit card fraud. I like it out here where I can chase women and come up with new schemes to bilk the unwary. I have a great deal of passion for my work and have become quite adept at it. Thank you for your continued support. I am counting on you".
 
The guy doesn't care. If he thought this thing could make him money, none of this crap would be going on.

He either doesn't have the brains or the guts to continue this thing.

Player debts aside, does it really matter anymore?
 
Jay's Right On

I believe Jay is possibly correct. Either way, KT is planning his end-game.

Admittedly I have no horse in this race, but I find KT's message transparent. He is preparing to bail out, and will blame the "players" for nonsupport. That will help him defend against charges of fraud -- showing he acted in good faith to the bitter end, but the ungrateful players pulled the rug out from under him.

What "support" does he want? He doesn't say.

Does he want his players to keep on playing (read travel, hotel, food, & play) even though he has burned them before and they are still owed big money from the last tournament? That's not support; it's not even blind faith; it would be foolish stupidity.

Our friend, Jay Swanson, whose 11th Memorial Tournament is in LA this weekend, would smile at KT and say "Yeah, Pal, but first pay us our money" .:) The players need KT to support them; not visa versa.

RL
 
Wow. I haven't checked e-mails since yesterday. So this latest e-mail from Kevin Trudeau is news to me! It figures that I find out the LATEST and the BEST news from right here on AzBilliards. :p

Let me first state that I understand and can appreciate the various opinions stated in this thread so far. :)

However, I believe that there are IPT members and IPT competitors themselves who do desire for the IPT to continue. :cool:

I have personally spoken to several IPT members who have stated that, yes, they are bummed out about the Reno payments. However, they are looking forward to getting paid in full. ;)

Just last night, I was speaking to an IPT member from Texas, and we discussed the IPT in depth and what the future may hold. This IPT member, along with the IPT member that lives with me, most definitely want the IPT to flourish and continue, but maybe in a different form.

Everybody has their own theory as to what could make a future IPT successful. The resounding opinion that I have heard from other IPT members is that they believe if the IPT tournament payouts were lower, as opposed to several million-dollar purses, that it would have a chance to survive.

I know that the opinion I have stated above will be in the minority here on AzBilliards Discussion Forum, but if it were possible to post an IPT poll where the voters must be IPT members and/or IPT competitors themselves, I think my opinion would be the majority, and not the minority, on that poll.

In the end, the public's collective opinion may be a negative one, but it is the IPT members and competitors whose opinions should carry the most weight as far as this latest IPT announcement.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
 
I agree with you Jam and so does your poll so far. The players should decide what to do and, whether they play for profit or as a hobby, being positive is the only way to go as I see it.
 
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Tin Man said:
Dear IPT Players & Entrants of the 2007 Tour Card Qualifiers,

The IPT 2007 Season has still not been determined. We are still in the
process of revamping our business model based on the unforeseen legislation
outlawing on-line gaming in the United States. Without our major online
casino sponsor, the IPT must undergo a substantial change to its business
model. I would like to see the IPT make a strong comeback from this dramatic
setback that we have had to deal with. The most important updates are as
follows:

. Players from the 2006 World Open will continue to be paid monthly until
you are paid in full. Payments will be made on the first of each month. No
payment will be made February 1st. The next payment will be March 1st, 2007.
The amount of each payment will be determined each month and may vary from
time to time. It is our full intention to get everyone paid in full within
the next six months.

. As I mentioned previously, for all those who entered 2007 Tour Card
qualification tournaments, if we are not capable of fulfilling our
commitments relating to the 2007 Tour, you will be refunded your enrollment
fee. We plan on making an announcement on April 15, outlining the 2007 &
2008 seasons.

Thank you for your patience and understanding as we deal with these
challenging and unavoidable market-condition situations.

I do have a request for everyone receiving this email. I love the game of
pool and I am very much committed to continuing to invest my own money and
time to making the IPT a successful reality for many years to come. I need
to know if you, the players, want the IPT to flourish. I need to know if I
have your support. If you, the players, could care less if the IPT continues
operating, and if you, the players do not support me in this endeavor, then
it would be foolish of me to continue pursuing this tour. Therefore, I
request that you respond to this email letting me know if you want this tour
to exist and if you support me personally.

I hope that together we can build a successful tour. Thank you again for all
of your encouragement, support, and patience up until this point.

Very truly yours,

Kevin Trudeau
Founder, IPT


MY REPLY----------------------


Regarding the player's support of the IPT. We have always supported the
IPT. The first two tournaments, we supported the IPT more than any other
tournament in history.
The last tournament in Reno we would have supported more fully, only
people that we relied on fell through, congress passed some laws, and the
Earth revolved a bit causing the position of Ursa Minor in the night sky
to change slightly. We still were able to support this tournament more
than any tournament previous to the IPT, and fully intend to continue
support the Reno tournament in the form of monthly support installments
(not including February).
In regards to the future of the IPT, it is our full intention to support
this tour as well as we can. Please understand that it is the first time
that we have supported a tour this grand, and changes have been made and
will continue to be made. If you don't like it, please find another group
of players to support you.
In the end, I am confident that our support will provide a wonderful
living for the IPT, and finally get it the credit that it so strongly
deserves.
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He is just playing a cruel joke on the players with this last e-mail. It is an exit strategy looking for an excuse not to continue and blame the players. The IPT I seriously doubt is even on KT's radar anymore, and why would it be, yet he continues playing games with the players emotions. One kernel of truth from the man, even if it is not what the players would like to hear would be the kindest thing he could do.

The giant elephant in the room and the question the players would need to ask themselves is, "Why would KT want to continue this"? That question answers itself, he doesn't. The idea that any pool player is so desperate or helpless that they would again want to get back in bed with this guy is the saddest commentary of all on the state of the sport and it's players.
 
one little shred of hope is almost gone

I still have this foolish hope that the IPT will continue for the pool world's sake, but how many more lies do you want to listen to? I fear that most of the previous posters are right; based on this latest communication and his history, this sure seems like an exit strategy.
 
JAM said:
Wow. I haven't checked e-mails since yesterday. So this latest e-mail from Kevin Trudeau is news to me! It figures that I find out the LATEST and the BEST news from right here on AzBilliards. :p

Let me first state that I understand and can appreciate the various opinions stated in this thread so far. :)

However, I believe that there are IPT members and IPT competitors themselves who do desire for the IPT to continue. :cool:

I have personally spoken to several IPT members who have stated that, yes, they are bummed out about the Reno payments. However, they are looking forward to getting paid in full. ;)

Just last night, I was speaking to an IPT member from Texas, and we discussed the IPT in depth and what the future may hold. This IPT member, along with the IPT member that lives with me, most definitely want the IPT to flourish and continue, but maybe in a different form.

Everybody has their own theory as to what could make a future IPT successful. The resounding opinion that I have heard from other IPT members is that they believe if the IPT tournament payouts were lower, as opposed to several million-dollar purses, that it would have a chance to survive.

I know that the opinion I have stated above will be in the minority here on AzBilliards Discussion Forum, but if it were possible to post an IPT poll where the voters must be IPT members and/or IPT competitors themselves, I think my opinion would be the majority, and not the minority, on that poll.

In the end, the public's collective opinion may be a negative one, but it is the IPT members and competitors whose opinions should carry the most weight as far as this latest IPT announcement.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
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Wishful thinking my dear Jam. A letter like this is a cover letter, as in cover his ass. If he makes any further payments it is only because he feels pressured to do so. So keep the pressure on players! Do not relent in your pursuit of what's owed you.

I will lay 5-1 that there are no IPT tournaments in 2007. ZERO!
 
jay helfert said:
Wishful thinking my dear Jam. A letter like this is a cover letter, as in cover his ass. If he makes any further payments it is only because he feels pressured to do so. So keep the pressure on players! Do not relent in your pursuit of what's owed you.

I will lay 5-1 that there are no IPT tournaments in 2007. ZERO!
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LOL! :D 5 to 1? Them's good odds! :p

I'd take you on that bet, Jay, but I couldn't do it in good conscience because you're one of the good guys, and I like you! :)

Check out the IPT World Class 9-Ball Open, coming up February 14, 2007: http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/event_qualifiers/venues/billiard_paradise_tourn.asp

We may have differing views pertaining to the IPT, Jay, but I hold you in the very highest regard, respect your opinions, and like your style! :p

JAM
 
I have never chimed in about this subject before and since I am not a part of any players' groups and only a fan of our game, my opinion probably amounts to nil. But, here we go anyway.

I would hope that everyone who sends in their reply, finds a place to publish their reply so that it can not be an exit strategy. I would hope that every player would want it this to continue. I would like to see smaller purses and create a more stable environment for the tour.

What I really want is to see is the IPT to survive if for no reason, but to give the players a place to play in that kind of luxury and surrounding and GET PAID much better money 4 or 5 times a year. We have seen other tournaments not pay players int he past, and some of them survived. I would love to see this stuff on TV regularly. Although the coverage was still just OK for me, I liked watching the King of the Hill and the other tournaments with the formats that they used. I enjoyed watching some of the matches on line like we see with some of our other Internet coverage folks.

Sure there are doubts, sure some of this is probably unlikely, but I don't think it is impossible. I do feel that people need to be paid! But I also think that some of the things they do are quite extravagant and could be cut out. I mean, we don't need a $10000 "Let's get ready to Rack 'em" intro to make this successful as others have posted about before me. I personally think if you asked the players about the things they would want to do without, to keep this thing going, they would give you a list of things they would not be needing.

Was it possible that some people talked KT into this and promised him a big return and he got stuck holding more than he could handle. I say that is very possible. However it does not mean he could not recover from it. Is it possible he is some how swindling his way in and out of pool...absolutley. Anything is possible and hardly any of us can say what the true root cause of all of this is. We are obviously not being told the whole truth for what ever the reason is.

We speculate, think things up, make suggestions, throw out ideas and so forth; HEY, THAT IS WHAT WE DO. That is what works for US. The more we talk about this stuff the more opinions and ideas we as a pool community can come up with, the better we are and thinking about the various scenarios. We are fans and players and that is what we SHOULD do. I would just hope we would all want what is best for our players and in my opinion the would be for the bugs and kinks to get worked out and lets start PAYING and PLAYING again. I would hope we would all want this to work and not fail.

I certainly don't want to see other tournaments get the ax due to the IPT either. This is tough thing. Those other tours and tournaments are what got us this far and have been their longer. They deserve a good notice on what the IPT does and their tournament schedule with years ahead notice, out of sheer due respect for all they have done for pool. Anything less, is just down right mean. If you have a big enough tournament that draws pros in, you should pick dates with years in advance notice and hold to that at whatever cost you can. There is no doubt, there is plenty of room out there to do more big events, but cooperation is the only way this is going to happen. AND THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

So I truly hope that the IPT survives and does take care of it's players for the future. But if it can't take care of them, then it should at least take care of what it has already promised to them. And BTW, I also think a little thing called interest on the monies due is not out of the question regardless what happens.
 
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