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From: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1082924/index.htm

"Crane probably is better known in his home town of Rochester, N.Y. as a car salesman (Cadillacs) than as a master with few historical peers in the demanding world of pocket billiards. He has won four world titles, the last in 1968, and scores of lesser ones in a 32-year career. Recently—in Rochester, no less—Crane was passed over for a seat at the head table at the annual Hickock Belt awards dinner in favor of a local horseshoe player and he has yet to be accepted into Rochester's own sports Wall of Fame."
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"The nature of the game also offers itself far more to personal participation than public spectating. Unlike most other sports, straight pool does not produce a direct confrontation between offense and defense and the drama that affords."
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"During the 1947 world tournament, in which he unsuccessfully defended the title he had won for the second time a year before, Crane said, "Pool is the poorest paid sport in the world," a truism that unfortunately still holds."
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"To his credit, or at least in his defense, Crane grew up in an era of large tables, small pockets, ivory cue balls and Belgian clay object balls, conditions that made a run of 100, some say, comparable to a run of 300 with today's equipment. Today the tables are smaller (4 1/2' by 9'), the pockets are larger (5�" vs. 4?")* and the object balls and the cue ball are made of plastic. "The ball skids like an ashtray when you hit it," Crane says. "It's not supposed to skid, it's supposed to roll. These plastic balls are pretty. They don't ever chip, they don't ever break, they hold their color forever—and they're the worst balls ever made. The old mud balls were far superior. With the smaller table and the bigger pockets, any meatball can throw a run of 100 at me."

*Text mangled in the original. What were the pocket sizes on the old 10' tables used in tournament play? 4 1/2"? And this article is from 1969. Was the standard size then 5" or was it ever 5 1/4" or 5 1/2"? I hope it was never larger than 5". The text seems to indicate it was.
 
So Willie Mosconi had an edge on today's current champions, equipment wise...................
 
Irving Crane used to frequent the poolhall I play out of. He always showed up to tournaments in a full suit and was a perfect gentleman. Granted he didn't like to lose but he was very prim and proper.

It's sad to see that even during that time pool paid so little to it's greats.
 
Thanks for the link to this part of billiard history. My Dad had an ice and coal biz on Long Island in NY back in the 1950;s through the 1960's. The Island has over a hundred small towns in it. Each had its own firehouse with a 5' x 10 ' Brunswick in it that we would deliver ice to. I can't EVER remember players talking about or measuring pockets until the 1990's. That said, the pockets were huge back then compared to today. Most action rooms had one or two shimmed tables for the better players. Pocketing balls was much easier then, but going five rails was not. Johnnyt
 
Interesting comments about the balls and table size from Crane. The old timers were known for breaking out a few balls at a time while working their way through the rack. I suspect the balls and cloth had a lot to do with that.

I also wonder how many pool halls had air conditioning back in the 40's and 50's.
 
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Met this guy when I was kid and can tell you that he was a class act just
like Jackie Gleason was in the "Hustler". He could win a tournament by
playing 40 and stop, never did see him make any spectacular runs but I
can tell you this that when that man walked into the room he looked like
he was 10 feet tall!
 
Irving Crane used to frequent the poolhall I play out of. He always showed up to tournaments in a full suit and was a perfect gentleman. Granted he didn't like to lose but he was very prim and proper.

It's sad to see that even during that time pool paid so little to it's greats.

I don't know if this is the same place but I heard he had a run in with the owner where he would practice and was sort of barred. Seems he liked to come in and practice during busy hours and as soon as he got on the table everybody quit to watch him and the owner was losing money every time he came in. Have you ever heard this story?
 
I don't know if this is the same place but I heard he had a run in with the owner where he would practice and was sort of barred. Seems he liked to come in and practice during busy hours and as soon as he got on the table everybody quit to watch him and the owner was losing money every time he came in. Have you ever heard this story?

Lol I doubt it was the same guy. Lucchesi wouldnt have done that he was a very good guy and a great poolroom owner.
 
Watched Irving Crane in several straight pool tournaments in Detroit in the early 1970's. He was a very quiet man and still a terrific player. I was around 20 years old and these tournaments were my first exposure to professional pool players.

I watched many of Mr. Crane's matches and he played a completely different still than the other players. He broke the balls soft and he would usually have several "secondary" breaks during a rack. He did this rack after rack. I noticed that most his innings ended with a safety. After a while, I couldn't stand it anymore and I went up and asked him about my observations. He was very cordial and open to answering my questions.

He said, "Well young man, I am no longer the favorite to make every shot that I shoot. So, I break softly which means that my opponent has some work to do to get out of the first rack. Then when I am faced with a shot that is less than 80% that I will pocket it, I am looking for a safety."

I have been following pool for almost 45 years now. Mr. Irving Crane is one of the nicest players that I have met in that time and I have met literally hundreds of the best players in the world.
 
For a 10ft table circa 1969, probably not any wider than 5-1/8"

The only 10' table I ever saw in 5 or 6 different pool halls during 1965 - 1967 was a snooker table. The last title Crane won was in 1968 and the old tables he would have been referring to would have been in the 40's and 50's, wouldn't they? If the pockets he's referring to that were smaller were 5 1/8" the newer pockets would have to be huge.
 
The only 10' table I ever saw in 5 or 6 different pool halls during 1965 - 1967 was a snooker table. The last title Crane won was in 1968 and the old tables he would have been referring to would have been in the 40's and 50's, wouldn't they? If the pockets he's referring to that were smaller were 5 1/8" the newer pockets would have to be huge.

Irving Crane also won World 14.1 Championships in 197 and 1972.
 
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The only 10' table I ever saw in 5 or 6 different pool halls during 1965 - 1967 was a snooker table. The last title Crane won was in 1968 and the old tables he would have been referring to would have been in the 40's and 50's, wouldn't they? If the pockets he's referring to that were smaller were 5 1/8" the newer pockets would have to be huge.

Irving Crane also won World 14.1 Championships in 197 and 1972.

I should have specified at the time he was quoted.
 
Watched Irving Crane in several straight pool tournaments in Detroit in the early 1970's. He was a very quiet man and still a terrific player. I was around 20 years old and these tournaments were my first exposure to professional pool players.

I watched many of Mr. Crane's matches and he played a completely different still than the other players. He broke the balls soft and he would usually have several "secondary" breaks during a rack. He did this rack after rack. I noticed that most his innings ended with a safety. After a while, I couldn't stand it anymore and I went up and asked him about my observations. He was very cordial and open to answering my questions.

He said, "Well young man, I am no longer the favorite to make every shot that I shoot. So, I break softly which means that my opponent has some work to do to get out of the first rack. Then when I am faced with a shot that is less than 80% that I will pocket it, I am looking for a safety."

I have been following pool for almost 45 years now. Mr. Irving Crane is one of the nicest players that I have met in that time and I have met literally hundreds of the best players in the world.


I'm sure it was a pure pleasure to have met such a champion in person back in the day!



David Harcrow
 
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