Is It Asking Too Much?

ChrisinNC

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I realize I’m venting here, but what is it about weekly tournament players? Is it asking too much to throw away your cups and trash before you leave? Is it asking too much to put the house cues you use for break cues back in the cue rack before you leave?

Once in a while would it be asking too much to let the TD / proprietor know you appreciate a consistent smoothly run weekly tournament and staying open 2-3 hours after closing time until the completion of the tournament?

At least in our poolroom, there’s something about tournament players that make them feel entitled as opposed to our recreational play customers who often make a point to express their appreciation for being able to play in a nice clean environment with quality equipment.

Just curious if this is the case with weekly tournament players in other poolrooms as well? If you appreciate and don’t take for granted the poolroom you frequent and/or your local weekly tournament you enjoy playing in, how about once in a while letting your proprietor and TD know it. It would be nice to hear.
 
I love the opportunity I have to play at my pool hall, and therefore I look after it. I often put the house cues back, or rack balls when I have minute, or I see it's quite busy. I know all of the staff and manager well. It's a decent sized hall with 30 tables. I have a couple of staff shirts they gave me when I was going home for a holiday (they thought I was going home forever bless them), and it's quite funny when I wear one, being the only non-chinese guy in the place 🤣
I hear your frustration, those that put effort in, are usually the ones taken advantage of the most. Hope there's some way you can encourage a better etiquette.
 
I realize I’m venting here, but what is it about weekly tournament players? Is it asking too much to throw away your cups and trash before you leave? Is it asking too much to put the house cues you use for break cues back in the cue rack before you leave?

Once in a while would it be asking too much to let the TD / proprietor know you appreciate a consistent smoothly run weekly tournament and staying open 2-3 hours after closing time until the completion of the tournament?

At least in our poolroom, there’s something about tournament players that make them feel entitled as opposed to our recreational play customers who often make a point to express their appreciation for being able to play in a nice clean environment with quality equipment.

Just curious if this is the case with weekly tournament players in other poolrooms as well? If you appreciate and don’t take for granted the poolroom you frequent and/or your local weekly tournament you enjoy playing in, how about once in a while letting your proprietor and TD know it. It would be nice to hear.
You are asking way too much in my opinion. Not that I don't agree with you, it's the fact that people are slobs and disrespectful. Acknowledge and accept that it is your job (quite literally) to do these things. As a good owner, do it without expecting anything in return and appreciate it if you do. As a poor owner, let the place go to hell and see where that gets you. Have you ever thrown a party and invited your best buddies over and all they do it trash the place? Same thing in my opinion. Just bite the bullet and understand it is what it is.
 
... Once in a while would it be asking too much to let the TD / proprietor know you appreciate a consistent smoothly run weekly tournament and staying open 2-3 hours after closing time until the completion of the tournament?
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I've been guilty of not always thanking whoever was running the tournament. I plead intense competitive concentration. On the other hand, I've been on the TD/LO side quite a bit and most of the thanks was conveyed by the players simply showing up.

But I don't understand the three hours after closing part. If that was when the tournament ended, I would certainly not be thanking whoever was running it. Unless you normally close at 8PM on Sunday.
 
Take it one more step, how about tipping the TD? An old friend of mine ran tournaments all over the Coast. The most he got out of it from owners was a free meal or a couple of drinks. He simply enjoyed doing it and giving players something to do. Every once in a while, a winner slipped him some jelly, but he certainly did not expect it, and it really made his night whenever it happened. Not sure it was as much the money as the thought.
 
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I realize I’m venting here, but what is it about weekly tournament players? Is it asking too much to throw away your cups and trash before you leave? Is it asking too much to put the house cues you use for break cues back in the cue rack before you leave?

Once in a while would it be asking too much to let the TD / proprietor know you appreciate a consistent smoothly run weekly tournament and staying open 2-3 hours after closing time until the completion of the tournament?

At least in our poolroom, there’s something about tournament players that make them feel entitled as opposed to our recreational play customers who often make a point to express their appreciation for being able to play in a nice clean environment with quality equipment.

Just curious if this is the case with weekly tournament players in other poolrooms as well? If you appreciate and don’t take for granted the poolroom you frequent and/or your local weekly tournament you enjoy playing in, how about once in a while letting your proprietor and TD know it. It would be nice to hear.
Next time I come see you I’ll be sure to leave a hurricane like mess behind me and walk out without spending a single dollar :-)
 
I try to always thank the tournament director for running it, and usually tip them if I do well enough to get some money. The TD and pool room are taken for granted a lot.
 
No I don’t thinking you’re asking too much Chris, but maybe expecting too much!

There are lots of folks in America that expect everything while doing nothing in return. They have almost zero idea between right and wrong because it does not matter to them. There are little to no consequences for their actions thus no reason to care about anyone but themselves.

It is the newer uglier Americans. Can you just imagine what foreigners think when they vacation in other countries. Most likely they rejoice when they leave and go back to America.

I feel your pain and disappointment. Having to spend two or more hours cleaning up after closing is no picnic. Perhaps some subtle signs requesting folks bus their tables during the tournaments themselves might help.
 
Not asking too much at all, but don’t think you will get any traction in changing the mindset of those folks. Everywhere I have worked/lived it’s alway been the same. The general public are not of the types to clean up after themselves.
 
I realize I’m venting here, but what is it about weekly tournament players? Is it asking too much to throw away your cups and trash before you leave? Is it asking too much to put the house cues you use for break cues back in the cue rack before you leave?

Once in a while would it be asking too much to let the TD / proprietor know you appreciate a consistent smoothly run weekly tournament and staying open 2-3 hours after closing time until the completion of the tournament?

At least in our poolroom, there’s something about tournament players that make them feel entitled as opposed to our recreational play customers who often make a point to express their appreciation for being able to play in a nice clean environment with quality equipment.

Just curious if this is the case with weekly tournament players in other poolrooms as well? If you appreciate and don’t take for granted the poolroom you frequent and/or your local weekly tournament you enjoy playing in, how about once in a while letting your proprietor and TD know it. It would be nice to hear.
You just cannot expect people to be considerate
bangers or tournament players all the same
 
Leaving a mess drives me nuts...anywhere. But as society has changed, I'm no longer surprised.
We have one couple that plays every Monday, orders food and plays in the tournament that starts at 6. Their half eaten food literally sits there all night in view of everyone, often until after midnight, even though they have numerous breaks to finish it. We ask them numerous times if they are done so we can remove it, and they say no. Not sure why disrespectful stuff like this bothers me more these days, but it does.
 
I realize I’m venting here, but what is it about weekly tournament players? Is it asking too much to throw away your cups and trash before you leave? Is it asking too much to put the house cues you use for break cues back in the cue rack before you leave?

Once in a while would it be asking too much to let the TD / proprietor know you appreciate a consistent smoothly run weekly tournament and staying open 2-3 hours after closing time until the completion of the tournament?

At least in our poolroom, there’s something about tournament players that make them feel entitled as opposed to our recreational play customers who often make a point to express their appreciation for being able to play in a nice clean environment with quality equipment.

Just curious if this is the case with weekly tournament players in other poolrooms as well? If you appreciate and don’t take for granted the poolroom you frequent and/or your local weekly tournament you enjoy playing in, how about once in a while letting your proprietor and TD know it. It would be nice to hear.
Ha Ha, I can relate Chris. To this day I can't walk around a room anywhere (in my home, at a hotel or anywhere else for the matter) without bending down to pick up trash off the floor and throw it away. It became a habit after twenty years plus working in and owning pool rooms. I learned to put trash cans EVERYWHERE! That helped but certainly didn't stop some slobs from throwing candy wrappers, cig butts and chalk on the floor. I NEVER sold gum in my poolrooms! If you did it would end up under the rails.

To answer your question, it is asking too much. I discovered that if you kept your room clean most people would get the message, but not everyone. People tend to act according to the environment they are in. If they see dirty restrooms then they will throw trash all over in there. Very, very important to keep your restrooms clean and stocked up. But you know that already.

Finally, I also had tournaments from time to time in my rooms. As TD it was my responsibility to make the schedule and get things done at a reasonable hour. The only pro players who ever tipped me were Parica (his wife threw me a 100 when he won one for 10K), Mizerak who threw me a bone in every one of my tournaments he played in (he had class), and Earl bless his heart. Earl knew I ran a fair tournament, always on good tables and scheduled correctly, and he appreciated that. One year at the Sands after he won, he tipped me 500. I had made a couple of rulings on disputed shots that favored him, even when the crowd was rooting against him and for his opponent. I simply made the correct call. One other time when he won big money in Japan (40K), and he didn't want to carry all that money through customs he gave me 5,000 to hold for him. I didn't see him until the BCA trade show months later and handed him a bank check for about $5,300. He had forgotten he had given me the money and was surprised about that, and he was amazed I added in the interest it had collected in my back account. He threw me 300 that time.

I'll add one other time I got good tips. When I used to run the tournaments, often when there were big money games (5-10K) the players would ask me to hold the money. They knew I wasn't going anywhere. The winner always gave me a tip. I can remember a couple of times when the matches were over and I was tired and still holding the stake money, I'd tell the guys I was going up to my room to get some rest and gave them my room number. The winner would come and knock on my door, sometimes in the wee hours of the morning. I would get up out of bed and hand him (and his backer) the payoff. Usually got a nice tip there too.

P.S. Mark Tadd gave me a good tip when he won $26,000 (all in cash) in the L.A. Open in 1993. A few hundred.
 
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Leaving a mess drives me nuts...anywhere. But as society has changed, I'm no longer surprised.
You are not alone, drives me nuts as well. I work night shift as an aircraft mechanic with an average of 10 or so other mechanics trying to get the most done in 5 hours of ground time as humanly possible. It never fails that when I get a 15 min window to take a break and eat something really fast I have to first spend 10 mins cleaning off break room tables. We have a coat rack in the break room, but the young kids still think it’s okay to leave coats and backpacks on the tables.
 
I realize I’m venting here, but what is it about weekly tournament players? Is it asking too much to throw away your cups and trash before you leave? Is it asking too much to put the house cues you use for break cues back in the cue rack before you leave?

Once in a while would it be asking too much to let the TD / proprietor know you appreciate a consistent smoothly run weekly tournament and staying open 2-3 hours after closing time until the completion of the tournament?

At least in our poolroom, there’s something about tournament players that make them feel entitled as opposed to our recreational play customers who often make a point to express their appreciation for being able to play in a nice clean environment with quality equipment.

Just curious if this is the case with weekly tournament players in other poolrooms as well? If you appreciate and don’t take for granted the poolroom you frequent and/or your local weekly tournament you enjoy playing in, how about once in a while letting your proprietor and TD know it. It would be nice to hear.
No it's not too much to ask. Whenever I am in an establishment, and the staff hasn't beaten me to it, I will generally take my cups, bottles, trash, etc, up to the bar, or discard them in the appropriate location. I try to recognize decorum anytime I am in someone else's "house." I blame my Mother.
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Yes the owners of the establishment are "making money," off of their venue. That being said, you're a restaurant/billiards establishment, not the sanitation department. Maybe BEFORE the tournament starts, making a gentle announcement/request to the patrons, with regards to their trash, and respect for YOUR equipment, would be a small step towards resolving some of the issue/s.
One of these days, I will visit you folks. You seem like good people to me. :cool:
Best regards.
j2
 
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