Dead Money said:
I've always considered this to be smart play
Is it Wrong to 3 Foul?
- Thread starter Fast Lenny
- Start date
I've always considered this to be smart play
breakup said:
breakdown,
Well, let's see....hmmmm....I'm just trying to remember how many balls his partner missed during the match....hmmmm....I think it was somewhere right around ZERO!!!!!!!
Too bad you couldn't have participated, it was REALLY a lot of fun (perhaps I'll tell you all the details sometime when your medicine has kicked in). If you weren't so tight with a dollar, and had just bought another raffle ticket or two perhaps we wouldn't have to listen to your persistent and bitter recriminations. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Williebetmore said:
may I ask whom Efren's opponents were in that match and who won? can you tell us the details of how funny it was? details pls pls pls.
Hail Mary Shot said:may I ask whom Efren's opponents were in that match and who won? can you tell us the details of how funny it was? details pls pls pls.
Hail-man,
Since you asked (I'm usually very hesitant to relate the story), here is a link to a little piece of AZB history. The Celebrity Scotch Doubles Match from DCC 2006. The lucky participants (which did NOT include that doofus breakup) were interviewed and photographed by Billiards Digest and the Louisville paper.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=24440
When I'm competing I have only one goal and that is to win. I do everything in my power and capabilities to perform my best and crush my opponent, I don't care how good or how bad the opponent plays. This nonsence about he's a nice guy or a friend or a lesser player and not 3 fouling is silly. I expect my opponent to do their best in trying to defeat me. The challange is the essence of the game.
If you hold back and make allowances for a weaker player than you are not playing to your potential and are not striving to get better and you waste the opportunity to show the lesser player new and better stratagies they can learn. Also if you hold back not only do you disrepect your opponent, you disreprect yourself.
Typically the ones that complain about the "rules" and that's a "crappy" way to win are natural born losers and don't have the gumption to strive to get better and learn the stratagies to win and lack the dedication to do so.
When you enter the arena it is about being and doing your best to win.
This game is about determination,heart, challange,participation and the love of winning.
Actually I believe handicap tournaments are the worst thing for pool and competiveness because the handicap system allows players that are unwilling to strive to get better and have lack of heart participate while they never need to put themselves to the test and see how much potential they really have and what level of excellence they can achieve.
Don't feel sorry for your opponent and don't help create excuses for your opponent to be a loser.....crush him.
You can either perform with integrity and play to win or be a natural born loser it's up to you.
If you hold back and make allowances for a weaker player than you are not playing to your potential and are not striving to get better and you waste the opportunity to show the lesser player new and better stratagies they can learn. Also if you hold back not only do you disrepect your opponent, you disreprect yourself.
Typically the ones that complain about the "rules" and that's a "crappy" way to win are natural born losers and don't have the gumption to strive to get better and learn the stratagies to win and lack the dedication to do so.
When you enter the arena it is about being and doing your best to win.
This game is about determination,heart, challange,participation and the love of winning.
Actually I believe handicap tournaments are the worst thing for pool and competiveness because the handicap system allows players that are unwilling to strive to get better and have lack of heart participate while they never need to put themselves to the test and see how much potential they really have and what level of excellence they can achieve.
Don't feel sorry for your opponent and don't help create excuses for your opponent to be a loser.....crush him.
You can either perform with integrity and play to win or be a natural born loser it's up to you.
powderburner said:I checked the chicken $hit option. However if there is serious money, like over $20 involved, it is a different matter.
Anybody else remember before this rule was common when two guys could push back and forth for hours? Maybe not that long but the only option was to take the shot you were left with or give it back. First guy to screw up on his safety would generally lose. Not very exciting for the spectators.
Absolutely the worst way to play pool ever devised.
Dale
Pushout said:
Not willing to bet on this one, but, IIRC
3-foul-loss-of-game was the first rule modification
to 9 ball rules made at Johnston City, and actually preceeded
the dreaded 'pushout' rule. 3-foul was re-instated when
1 foul replaced pushout
I also do not recall anyone ever playing 3-foul in pushout.
Are there any veterans out there who remember for sure?
Dale
Like everybody else, I would not hesitate to go for three fouls.
Where I do differ is that I am much more likely to try to three foul a friend if we are playing for fun (they are more likely to try and 3 foul me too). When playing for fun, trying to three foul a buddy or them try to three foul you is a lot of fun. Or maybe my friends and I are a little sick in the head.
Where I do differ is that I am much more likely to try to three foul a friend if we are playing for fun (they are more likely to try and 3 foul me too). When playing for fun, trying to three foul a buddy or them try to three foul you is a lot of fun. Or maybe my friends and I are a little sick in the head.
Russ Chewning said:
I agree that maybe that 3rd paragraph is a little whiny on my part. As for my kicking game; trust me, I can kick, some racks and some safes are just that bad. Even Efren misses once in a while.
I think you missed the point that I was trying to make which is to say that the 3 foul rule has its place, but a confident run out type player should not rely on it for the win, but should assume that he will run out and that the rack is just free practice to keep in stroke for the next game.
As for the part on playing extra safeties at the beginning of the match to get the feel for the speed of the table, I would argue that it is better to get a feel for the speed of the ball as it comes off the object ball when you make the shot. If your speed is off, then you will be in a position at that point to look for a safety. As Danny DiLiberto is fond of saying "I would rather lose on a hard shot than on a phony safe."
Bob Jewett said:
ok lets play ball in hand
.....you miss,[play safe]other man gets ball in hand .
....lets put the offense back in the game.....
safeties are for wimps.
this way the game goes on and friends dont get lost. after all this guy that got three [d] might have been a beginner and now is turning against the game and for what ?
nice going champ for hustlin your [friend[....
WBM, thnx for the link. I greatly appreciate it. the icing on the OBs was funny.
This is a mindset I can't understand, and I hear it a lot from people who either play exclusively "bar rules," haven't been playing very long, are living in the past, or can't play safeties worth a damn. Usually, it's the latter. Are combinations for wimps? How about banks? Caroms? What about luck - is an unintentional safety less wimpy than an intentional safety?diller47 said:
-djb
VIProfessor said:
Another excellent post by the VIP. I like the football analogy; is punting on 4th down for wimps? Defense is part of almost every game. Some exceptions are golf, bowling, darts. However, any game where the players/teams actually share/access the same objects (ball(s), chess pieces, etc.) will have a defensive aspect to it. If you do not learn to excel at this aspect of the game, you will not be a well-rounded player/team.
diller47 said:
pdcue said:
It was pretty lame all right. Then later it was usually changed to BIH after three pushes or so in money matches where you made up your own rules.
At least that was the way it came about in my little backwater of the world. Somewhere about that time I did the get a family thing and quit pool for some years. The new BIH rules on any foul when I started trying to play again sure made a major change to the game. Still don't think the 3 foul rule is necessary with BIH.
Could be because I'm a lousy jumper.
Last edited:
You won the game and lost a friend. What do you play pool for?
"there is no real victory without honor"
"there is no real victory without honor"