Is Max Eberle as big as a goof as I now think?

My main "point" is they were made from well known photographs.
Real art in the style does not use photographs.

are you kidding me???

A woman modeled for the Mona Lisa

Many art schools use models for their classes.

Using a photo as your model is the most common technique.

But, you are free to form and hold your own opinion!

KD
 
are you kidding me???

A woman modeled for the Mona Lisa

Many art schools use models for their classes.

Using a photo as your model is the most common technique.

But, you are free to form and hold your own opinion!

KD

I'll admit it def takes skill to recreate something and have it actually look good, but a completely diff skill set to be able to create your own original artwork - and have it look good. I can't do either 😢
 

I watched part of this video. There are no 2 ways about it, Max is a really, really out there (I have to be careful how I say that so I don't get banned) All of his flat earth evidence is from the interweb, more specifically from youtube. He has the ability to look thru a telescope and actually see other planets are spheres and that there are no flat planets. His beliefs are exactly opposite of Occams Razor Theory, instead he apparently thinks the theory with the most assumptions and the more preposterous it is the more likely the theory is true. Max said "all of the moon landing photos are faked or photo shopped" yet he said there is an ice wall around our flat earth holding all of the water in because "I saw pictures of the ice wall on the interweb". :rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
He also likes to ask people who "we" is when they argue proof of something, asking if you actually saw something with your own eyes or are just believing what someone else says yet all of his flat earth evidence is based on him believing what others (on the interweb) say, he also does has not actually seen what he believes.
Because he does not believe in space and that we can not go to space because of the speeds necessary he therefore believes the satellite TV is just a shill to reinforce the sphere earth beliefs. I suppose the biggest question I would have to ask him is what would anyone have to gain by carrying on this sphere earth conspiracy?
He is in need of some serious mental health care, I am sure if others here watch the video they will also agree.
 
are you kidding me???

A woman modeled for the Mona Lisa

Many art schools use models for their classes.

Using a photo as your model is the most common technique.

But, you are free to form and hold your own opinion!

KD

Here you go Kid. No charge.
 

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Seeing is believing

picture from Kennedy Center!

doubt Kennedy Center would feature a fake picture!

plus this was done pre-photoshop so what now?

also compare your image to that of Max and they are not similar at all.

KD
 

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Seeing is believing

picture from Kennedy Center!

doubt Kennedy Center would feature a fake picture!

plus this was done pre-photoshop so what now?

also compare your image to that of Max and they are not similar at all.

KD

I'll be the first to say his artwork looks pretty cool but that really wasn't what we were talking about. More along the lines of being out of touch with reality or whatever. It has been known for along time a lot of extremely talented artistes are " special " or " different ". I have a theory on this; they may get a better creative part of the brain, but in turn lose some amount of common sense or deductive reasoning.
 
My post was not intended to elude to him as being dangerous, merely to point out the dice upstairs have been shaken and you can't guarantee how they will fall .

Unstable people do not have to act in a rational manner. You may be 100 % correct, but today's Mother Teresa may be tomorrow's Beelzebub.

The thing about people who are not rational, is that they are not rational, and therefore cannot be evaluated the way rational people evaluate other rational people.

My point was, people this lost need to talk to a doctor since he is not firing on all cylinders. When your car is not running right, you have it looked at, but all too often when people aren't running right .... we laugh it off and ignore it.

I suggest that family or friends consider that rather than think nothing is wrong and it is somehow humorous only to find out down the road his condition is progressive rather than a funny quirk that couldn't lead to anything else.

Who determines just what is rational? You? Max? Someone else? Therein lies the problem. What is perfectly rational to one is irrational to another. Many of the very rich in the world believe that the rest of us are irrational and need to be controlled by them.

Many are actually irrational in their beliefs according to many others. What you are referring to I don't think is really being rational, but just fitting in the majority. Two very different things.

I watched all of that video I linked to. The flat-earthers do make some good points. However, those points are easily refuted with knowledge. It was interesting though, how they would refute the normal knowledge with "knowledge" of their own. Many times, it would leave one at first wondering which knowledge was actually correct.

So, I can see where they are coming from with the flat-earth theories, but I do not agree with them.
 
Who determines just what is rational?

Proportioning your belief to the evidence is what's rational.

The flat-earthers do make some good points. However, those points are easily refuted with knowledge.

If their points are easily refuted by what we know then their points aren't good, i.e., their points are not reasonable given the evidence.
 
I watched part of this video. There are no 2 ways about it, Max is a really, really out there (I have to be careful how I say that so I don't get banned) All of his flat earth evidence is from the interweb, more specifically from youtube. He has the ability to look thru a telescope and actually see other planets are spheres and that there are no flat planets. His beliefs are exactly opposite of Occams Razor Theory, instead he apparently thinks the theory with the most assumptions and the more preposterous it is the more likely the theory is true. Max said "all of the moon landing photos are faked or photo shopped" yet he said there is an ice wall around our flat earth holding all of the water in because "I saw pictures of the ice wall on the interweb". :rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
He also likes to ask people who "we" is when they argue proof of something, asking if you actually saw something with your own eyes or are just believing what someone else says yet all of his flat earth evidence is based on him believing what others (on the interweb) say, he also does has not actually seen what he believes.
Because he does not believe in space and that we can not go to space because of the speeds necessary he therefore believes the satellite TV is just a shill to reinforce the sphere earth beliefs. I suppose the biggest question I would have to ask him is what would anyone have to gain by carrying on this sphere earth conspiracy?
He is in need of some serious mental health care, I am sure if others here watch the video they will also agree.

I also asked him what there was to be gained from making everyone believe that the Earth is round? His answer is money....that they make so much money from space research etc.... To which my reply is why wouldn't we have a flat earth exploration if it was flat and spend as much money exploring that realm?

I do not however agree that he is sick. Going back to the idea that it doesn't really matter to ordinary people if the earth is round or flat I think that in all other aspects Max is perfectly normal - I consider him to be no more irrational than a person who believes in God and the Bible.
 
Going back to the idea that it doesn't really matter to ordinary people if the earth is round or flat I think that in all other aspects Max is perfectly normal - I consider him to be no more irrational than a person who believes in God and the Bible.

Max doesn't have to be irrational in order for his belief that the earth is flat to be irrational.
 
I also asked him what there was to be gained from making everyone believe that the Earth is round? His answer is money....that they make so much money from space research etc.... To which my reply is why wouldn't we have a flat earth exploration if it was flat and spend as much money exploring that realm?

I do not however agree that he is sick. Going back to the idea that it doesn't really matter to ordinary people if the earth is round or flat I think that in all other aspects Max is perfectly normal - I consider him to be no more irrational than a person who believes in God and the Bible.

After my initial post with the question I posed as to why I went back and viewed a video had posted of some guy ( that I believe he is basing this all off of ) and that guy says it is all being done by the devil to make the world believe there is no God basically.
 
I do not however agree that he is sick. Going back to the idea that it doesn't really matter to ordinary people if the earth is round or flat I think that in all other aspects Max is perfectly normal - I consider him to be no more irrational than a person who believes in God and the Bible.

Determining mental illness from just being dumb or biased can be difficult and probably just lies in a matter of degree. Lots of people are wrong about things, and the most likely explanations are they are just un-knowledgeable about those things, or they are dumb. Lot of people have incorrect beliefs even when they have seen the overwhelming evidence against their beliefs, and the most likely explanations are that they are just very biased or very dumb (although bias is a form of dumb). But when you have lots and lots and lots of those wrong beliefs, in the face of overwhelming evidence which you have actually seen but still dismiss, and you largely can't discern the reality of the world around you, then at that point it is more likely in the realm of mental illness.

Conspiracy theory type stuff is usually believed by people that are very paranoid and very sensitive to not feeling like they have enough control over their own lives and destiny and it leads to an extreme bias which allows facts and evidence to be ignored. But throw in mental illness and you get the people who start believing all of the crazy stuff instead of just a little of it, and they start to take the opposite belief to that which is mainstream simply because it is the opposite of the mainstream and not because it makes any sense. Bottom line is when you are largely out of touch with reality as opposed to having a crazy belief or two, mental illness is likely involved. Also in the video Max says he doesn't believe atomic bombs have ever existed and they are also an elaborate hoax, and I have heard lots of his other beliefs along those same lines both in person and online. He is most definitely in the camp of being not just a little, and not just largely, but completely out of touch with the reality of the world around him.
 
If their points are easily refuted by what we know then their points aren't good, i.e., their points are not reasonable given the evidence.

I would say their points are easily refuted considering their own Wiki/FAQ lists the answer to some questions as simply that there is a worldwide conspiracy to hide the truth. Not any actual facts to back up the claim(s).

Just for fun I did some additional googling and what I found were several forum discussions in which, whenever someone asked a list of simple obvious questions that would help clarify things, the respondents lashed out and attacked them and never actually responded to the questions at all. Very similar to any time you question a religion, pyramid scheme, aiming system, etc. (okay okay I kid on the last one...maybe)
 
Determining mental illness from just being dumb or biased can be difficult and probably just lies in a matter of degree. Lots of people are wrong about things, and the most likely explanations are they are just un-knowledgeable about those things, or they are dumb. Lot of people have incorrect beliefs even when they have seen the overwhelming evidence against their beliefs, and the most likely explanations are that they are just very biased or very dumb (although bias is a form of dumb). But when you have lots and lots and lots of those wrong beliefs, in the face of overwhelming evidence which you have actually seen but still dismiss, and you largely can't discern the reality of the world around you, then at that point it is more likely in the realm of mental illness.

Conspiracy theory type stuff is usually believed by people that are very paranoid and very sensitive to not feeling like they have enough control over their own lives and destiny and it leads to an extreme bias which allows facts and evidence to be ignored. But throw in mental illness and you get the people who start believing all of the crazy stuff instead of just a little of it, and they start to take the opposite belief to that which is mainstream simply because it is the opposite of the mainstream and not because it makes any sense. Bottom line is when you are largely out of touch with reality as opposed to having a crazy belief or two, mental illness is likely involved. Also in the video Max says he doesn't believe atomic bombs have ever existed and they are also an elaborate hoax, and I have heard lots of his other beliefs along those same lines both in person and online. He is most definitely in the camp of being not just a little, and not just largely, but completely out of touch with the reality of the world around him.

Very well explained. From the little I learned about him in the video I would have to agree with you. The thing that I found most unusual was that he kept asking the others how they knew what they knew and they said they learned it or were taught this etc. he told them unless they saw it for themselves they were just drinking the kool aid that the conspirators wanted them to drink. Yet he gained his information the same way, he did not see the things he believes, rather he learned on the interweb (where we all know everything is true). I wonder if he just does not realize this irony or does he live in a world that think that school lies to you and the interweb is the only place for the truth. It seems to me that once you set sail on that "everything on the interweb is true" ship you will be going on an endless cruise. I think he has a first class ticket in the finest suite on that cruise ship, maybe even the captains quarters. :shakehead:
 
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