Is sh*ting in a ball a bad thing?

[ShootingArts]

I agree

If you crap in a ball, continue as if nothing unusual at all has happened. Do not make any claims one way or the other, just keep shooting. :grin:

I agree. There is something in us that seeks a balance. If we think we have gotten something we didn't deserve we seem to want to give it back. If we don't acknowledge luck in any way and just accept it as part of the game it seems to have less impact on our later play.

Hu

 

[MikeM]

It goes both ways...

Last night in our 9 ball league my teammate made a really nice, lock-up safety but the object ball caromed off another ball and knocked in the 7 leaving him having to get out of his own lock-up safe.

Rolls go both ways, so, no, crapping in a ball is not bad.

 

[justadub]

Not to derail this thread in all its glory, butt...

That's an intersting point Mike. What do others think proper slop ettiquette may be? I'm prone to - or should I say - I try to discipline myself to not making eye contact when I get a good roll. I'll make a little hand gesture and either make an "I'm sorry expression" or utter a "sorry". I think it's good ettiquette to lightly acknowledge a good roll. But my next shot awaits and I don't want to engage my opponent and let him attempt to impart some unhelpful energy.

When I get a lucky roll or leave, I usually shake my head a little bit, chuckle and mutter "sometimes it's better to be lucky than good". Or "just like I drew it up." I try to make light of the situation, but then again, I'm only playing small time house tournaments or leagues so I'm sure it isn't the same for many of you folks.

 

[12squared]

I watched a streaming video tournament for the first time last night. It was Janet and Ashley at Magoo’s. The last game of the match was hill/hill. They each shot safe, safe, safe, safe. Real nice safes too. Then the last girl, sorry I don’t know who, kicked at the eight and shit it in. I could not believe the oddities coming from the chat, never mind the commentator. Which is okay with me but they were clearly upset by the shot.
I have not played pool in 10 years. So, is shitting in a ball a bad thing now?

Efren Sh*t in a two rail kick against Earl during the Reno Open and it is now considered one of the best shots ever made. It was recorded on Accustats and is on Utube somewhere I'm sure. (It was a great hit by the way :thumbup.

If you kick well enough to give yourself a chance to do something good, what's the big deal? If she had made a nice hit and ended up hooking her opponent, would that have been lucky or a good shot? Just saying.

I think sh*ting out is when you miss the object ball and inadvertently make the 9 or 10 ball to win the game because you hit it bad. But that equals out in the end, too.

Dave

 

[Black-Balled]

When I get a lucky roll or leave, I usually shake my head a little bit, chuckle and mutter "sometimes it's better to be lucky than good". Or "just like I drew it up." I try to make light of the situation, but then again, I'm only playing small time house tournaments or leagues so I'm sure it isn't the same for many of you folks.

hAHA

I always say, '...much easier than making it straight in'.:grin:

 

[Tbeaux]

I was watching that stream (in between ustream breakdowns).
The situation was both players played safes on each other. It was Janet Atwells shot and she sent the 8 full table and it dropped in the pocket. So the question is did she shoot to make the shot or did she luck in a safe. My best guess from having watched Janet play is she took both into account and shot knowing it would work out either way. In other words she shot to make it and if she had missed she stilll would have had a usable safe.

As to the reaction in the chat most of the chatters were pulling for Ashley.

Nothing wrong with shitting in a shot by the way.........the rules are what they are.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

excellent words there Tramp, although i would be remiss if i didnt point that you forgot "shit from shineola". as to the original thread, sometimes luck has a bearing on the outcome of a sporting event. when i get such a fortunate roll i usually drop my head and try to laugh it off for what it is, a very lucky roll.

Mike

Ah shit, Mikie, I forgot about that one.
A couple of Monday's ago I was having a particularly bad day playing One Pocket because my opponent was slopping them in from left and right. I felt terrible.
This past Monday I was making everthing in sight and my opponent was down. I felt great.
They named that phenomenon after a guy by the name of Even Steven.
I ain't shittin' ya, it's true.

 

[12squared]

When I get a lucky roll or leave, I usually shake my head a little bit, chuckle and mutter "sometimes it's better to be lucky than good". Or "just like I drew it up." I try to make light of the situation, but then again, I'm only playing small time house tournaments or leagues so I'm sure it isn't the same for many of you folks.

My favorite saying after scratching (getting lucky) is "science at work" .

 

[Falcon Eddie]

Shitting a ball in may not be bad, but shitting one out sure is.

Now to me this is some funny S#*t !!

 

[Ashley]

Just to clear up the air a little I suppose:

Janet and I shot approx. 4 safeties on the 8 ball. All of which were hit, IMO pretty close to perfect. The shot she took, she measured for the cue ball to come off the rail and freeze to the 9, sending the 8 down table.

As I was sitting in the chair, I KNEW I was going to be in a bad spot on the next shot. So no, she was not intending to hit it in, but play the obvious safe. We talked about it after the match and not only did she not apologize but she had ABSOLUTELY had no reason to.

She deserved the win no matter what, and we hugged after the match and it would've been the same if I had won. She handled it with grace and I'd like to think I did too. It's part of the game and I think everyone realizes that.

Yay long post!

 

[mlalum]

Just to clear up the air a little I suppose:

Janet and I shot approx. 4 safeties on the 8 ball. All of which were hit, IMO pretty close to perfect. The shot she took, she measured for the cue ball to come off the rail and freeze to the 9, sending the 8 down table.

As I was sitting in the chair, I KNEW I was going to be in a bad spot on the next shot. So no, she was not intending to hit it in, but play the obvious safe. We talked about it after the match and not only did she not apologize but she had ABSOLUTELY had no reason to.

She deserved the win no matter what, and we hugged after the match and it would've been the same if I had won. She handled it with grace and I'd like to think I did too. It's part of the game and I think everyone realizes that.

Yay long post!

Nice answer Ashley.

 

[TX Poolnut]

I don't think it's a bad thing.

 

[gunzby]

I've lucked in my share and have had my share of ppl lucking in balls on me. Strangely I feel a little bad when I luck one in, but don't when someone gets one on me.

I did play a league match a year or so ago where the guy wasn't lucking balls in, but lucking the CB safe every shot he missed. I literally did not have a shot for the whole match and this guy was an SL4 so he certainly wasn't meaning it. I just laughed it off as there was nothing else I could do.

 

[Majic]

I watched a streaming video tournament for the first time last night. It was Janet and Ashley at Magoo’s. The last game of the match was hill/hill. They each shot safe, safe, safe, safe. Real nice safes too. Then the last girl, sorry I don’t know who, kicked at the eight and shit it in. I could not believe the oddities coming from the chat, never mind the commentator. Which is okay with me but they were clearly upset by the shot.
I have not played pool in 10 years. So, is shitting in a ball a bad thing now?

I sure don't think of it as a good thing !! But those were the rules they played by like it or NOT.

 

[gunzby]

I also made a shot yesterday playing a guy where he looked at me like you crapped that ball in you lucky *****, but it was actually the shot I was going for. He left me with this and I hit it with high right with just enough speed to make the 8 and have easy shape on the 9.

CueTable Help

 

[sfleinen]

I agree. There is something in us that seeks a balance. If we think we have gotten something we didn't deserve we seem to want to give it back. If we don't acknowledge luck in any way and just accept it as part of the game it seems to have less impact on our later play.

Hu

Folks:

I agree here as well. If we're talking about 9-ball (Texas Express implied, as always, with today's 9-ball), then yes, when you crap in a ball, you need make no apologies. You can offer one, as a personal courtesy to your opponent (acknowledging they're even there), but it is not required. It is part of the game.

I used to have hard views against 9-ball for this reason. I've since softened my views with the spike in popularity of 10-ball, a very old call-shot game that was resurrected from the ashes of time, to offer people upset at Texas Express rules a CHOICE of games to play.

If you frown upon crapping in a ball (or other stroke-of-luck factors, or even against some of the "band aids" that have to be applied to 9-ball to "fix" it), it's simple. Don't play 9-ball. Play 10-ball instead.

In the case of tournaments, the person entering the tournament has the CHOICE of entering it, or not, depending on his/her view about the game of 9-ball itself. If you feel that strongly against luck, or slop, or the many band aids applied to 9-ball today (e.g. no soft break, racked with 9-ball on the spot, break from the kitchen, "x" number of balls have to pass the head string, etc. etc.), then you shouldn't be entering the tournament. However, I don't think that many pros are so anti-9-ball that they'd not enter a tournament, especially since it's an inexpensive "shot at the money." It's just accepting the game for what it is. You do have a CHOICE.

-Sean