is SVB doing to 10ball what Corey did to 9ball??

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xianmacx

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I was just looking over the break stats from the SVB tar match. He is breaking and running 50% of the time. It seems like he is doing the same thing Corey did 10 years ago only hitting the break hard instead of soft.

1. Make a ball
2. Shape on 1
3. Same layout

Now I know the layouts aren't as close with the hard break as the soft break...

What do you guys think, will there be a time when people won't play 10ball because it is "flawed"?

just a topic for discussion...
 
There is no flaw in 10 ball because anyone can learn to soft break in 9-ball pretty easily, but it would take an enormous amount of practice to even get half the break that Shane has.
 
50% after the break? Just amazing. "Flawed"? Nope...I say this because SVB can break & run in pretty much any game...
 
Interesting thought, but I think no... Nine ball break really is too easy, a C player can make the wing ball with the magic rack. I mean 100%. Donny mills made it 82 out of 83 in TAR 17.

Ten ball, the absolute world's best breaker only makes it 80%. And that's when he's hitting it really well. a more typical percentage is maybe 60% or sometimes even lower.

Also, the whole "same layout" thing is a myth. Nobody gets the same runout twice even with soft break 9b. Lots of randomness in the break. The only important ball that ends up in the same place every time is the 1... can't change that.

Actually, they could. If they wanted to "fix" the ten ball break, placing the 1 ball randomly might be interesting. Then the dedicated players might learn several different breaks depending on the 1's position in the rack.
 
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these are all good points.

Back when Corey mastered the soft break, other players tried to mimic it and no one really could. (except Donnie who is pretty close with corey).

I agree now that we have the magic rack that a c player can wire the corner ball but back before the magic rack, corey was the only player that had "mastered" it.
 
Corey does it pretty well in 10 ball as well. Below is a link to Dr Dave's site, illustrating the break Corey Deuel used at Valley Forge in 2009. Click the link then click "10-ball break" or scroll to the bottom of the page. For what it's worth, it's pretty much what I try to emulate when I break 10 ball. I use that pattern when I play the ghost as well.


http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/break.html
 
brocktonfats said:
Rigging the rack also helps. Didn't watch TAR this past time but I'm sure it was rack your own.
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Glad to hear from dechaines roommate!! It's amazing when mike can't rack his own with a triangle rack how poorly he breaks!! Mike has a phd in rigging the rack an when it comes down to 2 players using the same rack it shows why mike will only gamble when he can touch the rack!!! And Shane showed who the #1 player in the us is!! and all mike did was cry like a big baby :(-!! Just admit it mike u an svb r on totally different levels
 
brocktonfats said:
Rigging the rack also helps. Didn't watch TAR this past time but I'm sure it was rack your own.
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O good dechaines roommate decides to chime in lol!! Really ur gna whine about rigging the rack?? Listen mike has a freakin phd in rack rigging!! Just because svb embarrased mike an showed every1 just how much of a different level they r on mike needs to admit it he ain't there yet like he thinks he is!! Wanna talk about rigging the rack? Mike will not gamble unless it's rack ur own with the triangle rack!! It shows when each player gets the same rack what type if player svb is an what type if player Dechaine is!! So tell ur roomy instead of lookin 4 excuse after excuse y he didn't win he should admit That SVB is just that much better then him, an stop whining about getting drilled
 
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I was watching those to play last night on you tube...It's was the mizerak tournament. Mike *****ed and wined about the rack through most of the beginning of the match. Once svb got going it was like watching my miata race a vette...It was that obvious that Mike didn't have a gear to keep up svb. I was amazed by svb break...Every rack dropping multiple balls with a shot at the one. I've heard that svb has spent 18 hours straight breaking lol Thats dedication right there and if true it's no wander he has the best break in pool.
 
SpongebobFreak said:
You cant really call it flawed. Both of them put hundreds of hours into perfecting their break. They fixed the soft break issue by making a rule that 3 balls must pass the headstring. Shanes 10 ball break is just monstrous and he hits it solid. Nothing they can really do, the other players just need to put in the time he does to learn to consistantly break like he does.
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Dr. Gonzo: Well, as your Lawyer, I advise you to...

Get 'em, Corey! They established a low end, make 'em impose a hi-end limit too, or free the low end back up!

Free the low end!
Free the low end!
Free the low end!
Free the low end!

I can hear the freedom chant begin...and it is possible to discern cheffjeff's voice in it!!!!!
 
No, the “soft” 9-ball break is repeatable by most people who try it.... Shane’s break style is not. Even Shane has talked about “losing” his break and needing to study tapes from 2007 ... There are a few players that have a similar break, the willingness to practice the break and the skills to get out consistently.

I think it was in the SVB/Archer podcast, Johnny said that Shane had motivated him and prior to the TAR match the thing he really practiced was the break. He also mentioned that he really never practiced the break “all that much”before (surprising)... but he knew that if he could just come close to Shane’s break he would have a chance in the TAR event. I think the primary factors in that match was the tighter table and no one had a clear breaking advantage. As an aside if you are an aspiring professional pool player viewing of the Podcasts with Johnny are a must watch on how a professional acts.

In no particular order the 10-ball players with a break and the skills (that I am familiar with) are Dennis O., Busty, Shane, Alex, and Archer. I would put Dennis on top of the pile right now.

2013 10 Ball Events
Bigfoot DCC 10 – Ball: Dennis Orcollo

2012
Tunica 10 Ball – Alex (Alex vs Archer(?) I think)
US Open 10 Ball – Dennis (I believe he beat Busty in the finals)
Hard Times 10 Ball – Dennis (I believe he beat Shane in the finals)
DCC 10 Ball – Busty

2011
US Open 10 Ball --- Shane
DCC 10 – Rodney
Hard times -- Alex (?)
Predator international 10 Ball – Dennis
 
brocktonfats said:
Rigging the rack also helps. Didn't watch TAR this past time but I'm sure it was rack your own.
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So let me understand this you are saying the Shane rigged the rack?? Last time I checked the only way to rig a 10 ball rack using the magic rack is so a ball DOES NOT go in!! You can not rig the rack to make balls go in on the break! So let's see what the next excuse you an mike can come up with!! Y can't he be a man a just say shane is a better player an mike as no shot at beating him in a long set!! Mike it's ok 2 lose buddy! When Shane loses he takes it like a man an moves on! You gotta try an come up with every excuse like o Shane kept moving o shane this o Shane that!! You wanna be number 1 put the time in like a number 1 player should
 
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Black-Balled said:
Dr. Gonzo: Well, as your Lawyer, I advise you to... Naked Lunch reference

Get 'em, Corey! They established a low end, make 'em impose a hi-end limit too, or free the low end back up! therefore, banning a soft break was either:
1. discriminatory, or
2. legal.

If 2, then there is the same right to define and ban a break that is too hard. No discusssion, fact. And restrictions removed or applied at both ends of the matter.

And the below is self-evident!
Free the low end!
Free the low end!
Free the low end!
Free the low end!

I can hear the freedom chant begin...and it is possible to discern cheffjeff's voice in it!!!!!
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rackemup20 said:
So let me understand this you are saying the Shane rigged the rack?? Last time I checked the only way to rig a 10 ball rack using the magic rack is so a ball DOES NOT go in!! You can not rig the rack to make balls go in on the break! So let's see what the next excuse you an mike can come up with!! Y can't he be a man a just say shane is a better player an mike as no shot at beating him in a long set!! Mike it's ok 2 lose buddy! When Shane loses he takes it like a man an moves on! You gotta try an come up with every excuse like o Shane kept moving o shane this o Shane that!! You wanna be number 1 put the time in like a number 1 player should
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dude you can absolutely load a rack with the magic rack...not that shane did or needed it. Just sayin...
 
trob said:
dude you can absolutely load a rack with the magic rack...not that shane did or needed it. Just sayin...
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Really?? U absolutely can not rig a rack to make a ball in the 10 ball break I am 1000% sure of that!! Hopefully one of the most respected ppl that knows more then me an u combined about the rack will answer this question!! So mayb Joe tucker will c this an answer.. Trust me sir I am right I was also told this by top players
 
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racking your own balls with a magic rack is like Barry Bonds pitching to himself.

xianmacx said:
I was just looking over the break stats from the SVB tar match. He is breaking and running 50% of the time. It seems like he is doing the same thing Corey did 10 years ago only hitting the break hard instead of soft.

1. Make a ball
2. Shape on 1
3. Same layout

Now I know the layouts aren't as close with the hard break as the soft break...

What do you guys think, will there be a time when people won't play 10ball because it is "flawed"?

just a topic for discussion...
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This isn't possible with a regular rack and a Referee. Nothing against Shane, I think he breaks the balls great and deserves to win, I just think racking your own balls with a magic rack is like Barry Bonds pitching to himself. It would have been the same thing with Buddy, Sigel, Archer, or Earl racking for themselves, pretty soon it's just like a trick shot exhibition.
 
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