Is the IPT for real or isn't it?
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onepocketchump
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Gee, making sure that pyschics and faith healers are put down is surely better than making sure that people are not defrauded by their employer's and their life savings ruined (see Enron), or making sure that companies don't support child labor, terrorism, slavery, and just about every other human rights atrocity ever committed (see DeBeers, Siemens, Halliburton, "your company name here")
You all should be skeptical. Why not? It's easy to make a target of the guy putting himself in the bullseye. Real easy to go for the biggest target isn't it?
One thing nobody disputes, the man can put on a show and throw a party. So, enjoy the the party, watch the show while it lasts.
Have a nice night.
John
You all should be skeptical. Why not? It's easy to make a target of the guy putting himself in the bullseye. Real easy to go for the biggest target isn't it?
One thing nobody disputes, the man can put on a show and throw a party. So, enjoy the the party, watch the show while it lasts.
Have a nice night.
John
John,
I made it clear that both yourself and Nick had gone too far.
Just so you know, I now have this guy making his threats against the board in PM's to me.
His last one is that if I don't ban you, he'll sue us.
How many times do I have to ask you guys?
I personally think it is a clown act to threaten to sue a board, but just how far can you push and will you be happy if he does drag Mike to court? ( regardless of how triffling? )
I made it clear that both yourself and Nick had gone too far.
Just so you know, I now have this guy making his threats against the board in PM's to me.
His last one is that if I don't ban you, he'll sue us.
How many times do I have to ask you guys?
I personally think it is a clown act to threaten to sue a board, but just how far can you push and will you be happy if he does drag Mike to court? ( regardless of how triffling? )
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Mr. Wilson said:
Fine, now we are banned from just making social comments at all? I have said nothing to the guy. His MO apparently is to harrass people via PM's. My last comments were totally directed at how I feel about society in general and were totally in keeping with the posts that others have put up.
No one is going to sue Mike over anything said on this board. We all have a first ammendment right to freedom of speech. If anyone says anything that is libelous or slanderous then whoever the target is has a a right to pursue a legal settlement of their grievances should they choose to. They will get nowhere with trying to sue the operator of a forum however. The precedent so far as been to side with the platform providers rather than the people doing the posting as pertains to responsibility for the message.
First however, libel and slander must be proven and that, my friend is the rub. I have the idea that anyone who tried to take anything from this board into a courtroom would be be pretty much laughed out of court. Only the most daft of attorneys would put any of this before a judge.
I do however find it quite humorous that there are those who condemn Kevin Trudeau for his accused lack of ethics, who call for "truth in advertising" and clarity and in the same vein demand censorship to cover their own involvement in a sick society.
ah irony, God's joke on humanity.
John
John....you'll notice you're still here. I think you could tell if I had banned you. 
My point is exactly, there are people with nothing better to do than bark and harrass.
As for the Amendments, I am very very clear.
Just so you and I can agree though, the First Amendment applies to the Government not having the right to tell you what you have to say or not.
It does not apply to enterprise and property, and to be sure, the board is private property. If we ask you to stop, it is our right and it can be enforced.
Now, nothing you've written has been changed or edited, so you are off base.
You were just asked to stop.
My point is exactly, there are people with nothing better to do than bark and harrass.
As for the Amendments, I am very very clear.
Just so you and I can agree though, the First Amendment applies to the Government not having the right to tell you what you have to say or not.
It does not apply to enterprise and property, and to be sure, the board is private property. If we ask you to stop, it is our right and it can be enforced.
Now, nothing you've written has been changed or edited, so you are off base.
You were just asked to stop.
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onepocketchump
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Mr. Wilson said:John....you'll notice you're still here. I think you could tell if I had banned you.
My point is exactly, there are people with nothing better to do than bark and harrass.
As for the Amendments, I am very very clear.
Just so you and I can agree though, the First Amendment applies to the Government not having the right to tell you what you have to say or not.
It does not apply to enterprise and property, and to be sure, the board is private property. If we ask you to stop, it is our right and it can be enforced.
Now, nothing you've written has been changed or edited, so you are off base.
You were just asked to stop.
Asked to stop what? I understood that you asked me to stop insulting Nick which I did. I didn't understand that you were asking me to stop talking about KT or the issues surrounding him. Nor did I understand that you were asking me to stop making comments about society in general.
It is true that you have the right to censure what is on your board. What you don't have is the responsibility to do so thanks to the first ammendment. That is what I was pointing to. I can say that so-an-so did such-and-such and it is not your responsibility to verify the accuracy of that statement. It is the responsibility of the target of such a statement to defend themselves, not to have you do it through censoring people's speech. I agree, when a discussion becomes nothing more than ad hominem attacks then the proper thing is to attempt to keep it civil on a moderated board.
I know that you didn't "ban" me. I just did not understand, and actually, still don't understand what we are allowed to discuss and what we aren't.
Am I allowed to make a social comment or not? I can keep it totally 100% billiards related but I expect the same from all the other members and the swift hand of censure when they stray.
)John
No, his crying is that you bothered to mention his employer by name.
I've said also that the critics of KT are beating a dead horse, that they are just complaining andbringing nothing new to the table that they can show as concern.
I have backed the IPT and continue to do so.
No censure has been issued, just posters being rebuked for showing lack in judgement and doing little more than slinging insults.
None of which is productive or good for our community.
A little common sense and courtesy will go a long way.
I've said also that the critics of KT are beating a dead horse, that they are just complaining andbringing nothing new to the table that they can show as concern.
I have backed the IPT and continue to do so.
No censure has been issued, just posters being rebuked for showing lack in judgement and doing little more than slinging insults.
None of which is productive or good for our community.
A little common sense and courtesy will go a long way.
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Nothing was mentioned that cannot be found on the web. In fact, the tail end of this discussion centered around information that some posters have found on the web. My take on it is this, either take a stand or don't but don't be a hypocrite.
John - purveyor of goods made in countries that restrict human rights. However the empowerment of citizens through trade and capital eventually leads to freedom. over and out.
John - purveyor of goods made in countries that restrict human rights. However the empowerment of citizens through trade and capital eventually leads to freedom. over and out.
Whatever.
Just leave the guy and his company alone.
Personally, I think the company ought to worry more about an employee making a fuss on thier regard, in a situation he created.
In the real world, they'd terminate him before they'd try and sue a message board for a poster's opinion.
Just leave the guy and his company alone.
Personally, I think the company ought to worry more about an employee making a fuss on thier regard, in a situation he created.
In the real world, they'd terminate him before they'd try and sue a message board for a poster's opinion.
What's the defintion of a PM?I've allways thought that P stands for PRIVATE
and M stands for MESSAGE
"PRIVATE MESSAGE"
Nick PM's the moderator with a PRIVATE mesage and the moderator chooses to make it a PUBLIC message. If you can't trust the moderator, who can you trust???
I also think that publicy putting someone down for where they work on a pool forum, is nothing but dirty pool in my eyes. I mean hell, what does where someone works have to do with pool?Nothing against you personally, John, however, in my opinion that was pretty classless and disrespectful.
Plain and simple Nick generously offered a 5-1(odds) bet on the survival of the IPT and Kevin Trudeau's PERSONAL involvement and you tried to change the terms of the bet.You could have just said, "The bets off, I don't like the conditions.", however, you too decide to make a PRIVATE message a PUBLIC one.
As far as Nick B's character goes anyone here(Vancouver) locally will tell you that he is an upstanding person with a lot of class and a good reputation.If he says he will pay you $500, he'll pay, his word is solid.If he says he'll meet you for a match, he'll meet you for a match and he will pay up if he loses.End of story.
Hell, I might even take Nick up on that bet myself.
RJ
ps.I wrote this post with absolutley no prompting from Nick B.
I just calls em the way I see's them.
and M stands for MESSAGE
"PRIVATE MESSAGE"
Nick PM's the moderator with a PRIVATE mesage and the moderator chooses to make it a PUBLIC message. If you can't trust the moderator, who can you trust???
I also think that publicy putting someone down for where they work on a pool forum, is nothing but dirty pool in my eyes. I mean hell, what does where someone works have to do with pool?Nothing against you personally, John, however, in my opinion that was pretty classless and disrespectful.
Plain and simple Nick generously offered a 5-1(odds) bet on the survival of the IPT and Kevin Trudeau's PERSONAL involvement and you tried to change the terms of the bet.You could have just said, "The bets off, I don't like the conditions.", however, you too decide to make a PRIVATE message a PUBLIC one.
As far as Nick B's character goes anyone here(Vancouver) locally will tell you that he is an upstanding person with a lot of class and a good reputation.If he says he will pay you $500, he'll pay, his word is solid.If he says he'll meet you for a match, he'll meet you for a match and he will pay up if he loses.End of story.
Hell, I might even take Nick up on that bet myself.
RJ
ps.I wrote this post with absolutley no prompting from Nick B.
I just calls em the way I see's them.
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recoveryjones said:What's the defintion of a PM?I've allways thought that P stands for PRIVATE
and M stands for MESSAGE
"PRIVATE MESSAGE"
Nick PM's the moderator with a PRIVATE mesage and the moderator chooses to make it a PUBLIC message. If you can't trust the moderator, who can you trust???
I also think that publicy putting someone down for where they work on a pool forum, is nothing but dirty pool in my eyes. I mean hell, what does where someone works have to do with pool?Nothing against you personally, John, however, in my opinion that was pretty classless and disrespectful.
Plain and simple Nick generously offered a 5-1(odds) bet on the survival of the IPT and Kevin Trudeau's PERSONAL involvement and you tried to change the terms of the bet.You could have just said, "The bets off, I don't like the conditions.", however, you too decide to make a PRIVATE message a PUBLIC one.
As far as Nick B's character goes anyone here(Vancouver) locally will tell you that he is an upstanding person with a lot of class and a good reputation.If he says he will pay you $500, he'll pay, his word is solid.If he says he'll meet you for a match, he'll meet you for a match and he will pay up if he loses.End of story.
Hell, I might even take Nick up on that bet myself.
RJ
ps.I wrote this post with absolutley no prompting from Nick B.
I just calls em the way I see's them.
Listen, if a person wants to trash someone they don't even know and then they want to put themselves and the company they work for on a pedestal then they better be damn sure that the company has no skeletons of their own. As far as the bet goes - I offered to take him up on it and he danced around it. The bet was never on. If you are going to call it like you see it then it would be helpful to have a clear picture to describe.
I have no idea why Nick is crying to the moderators. He PMs me with utter BS and then comes on here and continues it. I didn't ask to get private messages from him - in fact that's one of the reasons I turned PM's off several years ago. Maybe I ought to do it again. I prefer to do my discussions in public on the public forum.
Just to be perfectly clear - I did not bring anyone's employer into the discussion that they did not bring up first.
John
onepocketchump said:
The only clear picture I have on this is what I've read in this thread. What went on in the PM's is none of mine or anyone else’s business, as they are supposed to be PRIVATE messages between you and Nick.
What I clearly saw was one guy acting like a gentleman and another guy getting pretty mean spirited with his replies. Here's what I clearly saw:
Quote(John):
Dude, you are the most daft person on the board right now.
Since you are nothing but a corporate flunky working for a company that committed far more atrocities than KT has even dreamed of I can understand that you do not understand the way entrepreneurs work. I will give you a brief education. Most of them have diverse business interests. They very often start companies and turn them over to managers.
So either take away the meaningless part about KT being part of the IPT and we can bet or just admit that you are a nit.
Yeah, it's an inability to tolerate stupid people. Instead of just ignoring you like I should I continue to respond? Luckily for me you are just a form of cheap entertainment to fill the boring moments.
For the record - Nick works for Siemens (or so he says) not exactly the greatest model of corporate responsibility. I wonder how many people's ruined lives Siemens has had a part in. Perhaps next time a Burmese citizen is executed for stating their opinion and longing for Democracy, Nick can just blame Kevin instead of his corporate employer who does business with the oppressive Burmese government.
In summary:
I'd cut and paste some bad things that Nick said to you, however, I couldn't find any in this thread. As a matter of fact he was clearly being a perfect gentleman. Once again what was said in the PM's, (PRIVATE messages) is none of anyone's business except yours
and Nick’s. I certainly didn't see him mentioning the company he works for in this thread.
As far as the bet never being on, this thread indicates otherwise.
It was you in post #14 who said quote:
”By the way, do we a bet or not?”
And in post # 15 Nick responds:
“Like I said in my last e-mail.”
”KT must be there in 2 years and my employer has nothing to do with it and hell yes. Post Up.”
You could have respectfully declined his boundaries on this bet and instead you decide to diss him publicly on this forum using supposed PM’s for your ammo.
The other thing I clearly saw was a moderator posting details of a PM (PRIVATE message) between him and Nick on a PUBLIC forum.
No my friend, I see things perfectly clearly.
RJ
ps. RJ doesn't need any Decot Hy-wyd's
http://www.sportglasses.com/content/info_billiards.asp
Put this away
My last post was back at number 50. Please put this to bed. If John wants to meet me at a later date we can work this out. During this thread I think I seen 3 different scrums with John.
RJ thanks for kind words. My rep is based on how I walk the planet...not what a cyber-clique thinks of me.
Nick
My last post was back at number 50. Please put this to bed. If John wants to meet me at a later date we can work this out. During this thread I think I seen 3 different scrums with John.
RJ thanks for kind words. My rep is based on how I walk the planet...not what a cyber-clique thinks of me.
Nick
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Just stop reading. It's really simple. If you want to carry on discussions through multilple threads and private message then don't be surprised when they are refenced. Everyone here is an adult and can simply stop reading whenever they want to. Unless they have some sort of narcissistic fetish to read about themselves in print. Okay recovery, you win, you are right, I am an asshole and the other guy whose name I am not allowed to say is the salt of the earth. Guess I'll just have to live with that.
I am closing this thread myself for myself. All yours.
John
I am closing this thread myself for myself. All yours.
John
Really??
I can go for days here.
If you have so much faith in Nick, explain why at the mere mention of his employer ( Siemens ) .....yeah, I said it too.....He send me a PM...Oops...I did it again, demanding that I ban John or he will call ( Siemen's )....lawyers and take action.
So much for walking the planet, regardless of what a "cyber clique" thinks.
For the record, he is a mm from being banned himself.
I will not respond favorably to a petty threat against the Board.
Tell that to your lawyer too.
You guys wanted to get me angry, you got it.
Beware the consequences though.
I can go for days here.
If you have so much faith in Nick, explain why at the mere mention of his employer ( Siemens ) .....yeah, I said it too.....He send me a PM...Oops...I did it again, demanding that I ban John or he will call ( Siemen's )....lawyers and take action.
So much for walking the planet, regardless of what a "cyber clique" thinks.
For the record, he is a mm from being banned himself.
I will not respond favorably to a petty threat against the Board.
Tell that to your lawyer too.
You guys wanted to get me angry, you got it.
Beware the consequences though.
recoveryjones said:
onepocketchump said:
No John, I don't think you are an asshole and I don't think Nick is the salt of the earth. This is only one thread and I don't judge people on the basis of one thread. After all we are all human and I've made some really regretfull posts myself.I've at times really enjoyed your posts and think you have a lot of good stuff to contribute to this forum.
I also think that this board is moderated very well and much better than most of the forums out there. Is it perfect,maybe yes,maybe no, however, once again we are all human.It was never my intention to anger Mr. Wilson,as I was mearly stating something I disagree with.Hopefully I'm entitled to make that choice.
RJ
Both parties have now asked for this conversation to be closed.
I will consider it closed.
Mike
I will consider it closed.
Mike
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