Is the IPT for real or isn't it?

Status
Not open for further replies.
macguy said:
Interesting spin, so who ultimately get the $1000.? It is just a plan to extract money from suckers who have a less then zero chance of ever winning a qualifier by making the cost less painful. I suspect you have a motive, you get a cut of the proceeds yourself, am I right?
Click to expand...

Are you saying players like Dan Louie, Brady Gollan, John Horsfall, Mike Vidas, etc. have a less then zero chance of ever winning a qualifier?

Yes, the IPT gets the $1000 for a qualifier, but not the $200 like you were intimating. In our tournament, if there is any surplus, it drops down to the next player, and so on. If there is not enough to send a player, that player decides how to spend the money - whether as a partial entry fee or keep it.

Our goal is to support our NW players by making it more affordable to go. We only get a cut if they recommend us on their application and there is certainly no obligation to do so. In fact, the Canadians are just as likely to put down one of their compatriots rather than us.
 
motive

macguy said:
Interesting spin, so who ultimately get the $1000.? It is just a plan to extract money from suckers who have a less then zero chance of ever winning a qualifier by making the cost less painful. I suspect you have a motive, you get a cut of the proceeds yourself, am I right?
Click to expand...
I have been watching this discussion and it seems to me her motive is to send a player to the qualifier and it only costs him 200.00 instead of 1000.00 I did not think that was to hard to comprehend but I guess I was wrong. You so biased against the IPT you your mouth goes into gear before your brain does.
 
rackmsuckr said:
Are you saying players like Dan Louie, Brady Gollan, John Horsfall, Mike Vidas, etc. have a less then zero chance of ever winning a qualifier?

Yes, the IPT gets the $1000 for a qualifier, but not the $200 like you were intimating. In our tournament, if there is any surplus, it drops down to the next player, and so on. If there is not enough to send a player, that player decides how to spend the money - whether as a partial entry fee or keep it.

Our goal is to support our NW players by making it more affordable to go. We only get a cut if they recommend us on their application and there is certainly no obligation to do so. In fact, the Canadians are just as likely to put down one of their compatriots rather than us.
Click to expand...

Come on, you know what I was referring to. Have a few friends over to your house and play your own tournament? I am sure your tournaments are the real deal with qualified players, but what he suggests is ridiculous and just a plea to the suckers.
 
etimmons said:
I have been watching this discussion and it seems to me her motive is to send a player to the qualifier and it only costs him 200.00 instead of 1000.00 I did not think that was to hard to comprehend but I guess I was wrong. You so biased against the IPT you your mouth goes into gear before your brain does.
Click to expand...

I understand your thinking it sounded that way, but you have to listen to KT speech. It is a 28 minute plea for money not unlike you hear from late night tele- evangelists. Just having a qualifier for the qualifier is not a bad idea but to just try to con suckers to shelling out $200 because it will be fun, his words, I don't know
 
Last edited:
The funny thing is that in the last email sent out by Deno, he says they set the entry fee so high to weed out the "players who have no chance."

Maybe the IPT wants high entry fees AND players who have no chance :).

- Steve
 
macguy said:
I agree, except they aren't taking steps but giant leaps. They are taking what could be a certain success if started and allowed to grow with the right management and turning it into a high risk less likely to succeed venture. The odds seem greater of them failing then succeeding and it doesn't have to be that way. KT has crashed numerous times with his over the top way of doing things and this may follow his pattern. You should read the psychologist report on him. The guy lives in his own reality.
Click to expand...
You're right I don't know much about the guy or even too much about the program. What I do know is there's a guy that's doing something. He's not saying, what if. I also know that Deno wants to do the best he can to promote all cue sports and is one who has put his money where his mouth is numerous times for many causes not just billiards. Guess I trust what he's trying to do and therefore support the program from that basis. Certainly it would be best if the entire dream is realized, but if it fails someone will learn from it and take a different angle.
 
rackmsuckr said:
Are you saying players like Dan Louie, Brady Gollan, John Horsfall, Mike Vidas, etc. have a less then zero chance of ever winning a qualifier?

Yes, the IPT gets the $1000 for a qualifier, but not the $200 like you were intimating. In our tournament, if there is any surplus, it drops down to the next player, and so on. If there is not enough to send a player, that player decides how to spend the money - whether as a partial entry fee or keep it.

Our goal is to support our NW players by making it more affordable to go. We only get a cut if they recommend us on their application and there is certainly no obligation to do so. In fact, the Canadians are just as likely to put down one of their compatriots rather than us.
Click to expand...





But if 5 people that are below average hold their own tournament at someone's house and then send the winner (and the $1000) to the qualifier, isn't that kind of less than ethical thing to suggest to people to do?
 
macguy said:
You should read the psychologist report on him. The guy lives in his own reality.
Click to expand...

He sure does. And it's a reality that most of us will never be able to experience. The kind of reality we just talk about with no power to change or influence it.

I don't care what happens from here on out. The guy has already put more millions into the game and it's players than a lot of promoters have done in a lifetime.

Where on Earth do you think that the money comes from in golf? It comes from having a tournament trail with millions of dollars as the carrot and hundreds of thousands of golfers worldwide dreaming of someday playing on that tournament trail. It comes from tens of thousands of golfers playing in lesser tournaments hoping to break through to the next level and it comes from thousands of golfers who have a legitimate shot at being a tourning pro. Without that pool of players to constantly feed the ranks of golf pros with new talent there would be no pro tour in golf. The fans would stop watching the same old dinosaurs play and the sponsors would tire of it.

A fresh influx of players is required to support any professional sport. I believe I have a legimate chance to make it a round or two in an IPT event and I suck compared to the pros. I know plenty of players who are more dedicated to the game than me, who are about my speed and who wouldn't blink at spending $50, $100, $200 to play in a qualifier that leads to a qualifier that leads to the big tournament. I wouldn't mind spending a couple hundred a year chasing that dream. I blow far more than that on far less worthy endeavors.

It's really simple, if you don't want to play then don't play. I guarantee you that when the qualifiers get started there will be plenty of people trying. And if only two people per qualifier show up then they are in and more power to them. I bet that if there is a qualifier at Magoo's and they only have ten people in it and the winner comes back with $10,000 to show for his middle of the pack finish that there will be 20 people in the next qualifier.

John
 
shooter777 said:
But if 5 people that are below average hold their own tournament at someone's house and then send the winner (and the $1000) to the qualifier, isn't that kind of less than ethical thing to suggest to people to do?
Click to expand...

No, it's a way of taking a long shot at an affordable price. Read John's post right before this one. Thanks John, for putting into words the thoughts I could only formulate.

And I think this thread can be put to bed, considering the updates just announced. Yes MacGuy...it is for real. Get ready!
 
Last edited:
onepocketchump said:
He sure does. And it's a reality that most of us will never be able to experience. The kind of reality we just talk about with no power to change or influence it.

I don't care what happens from here on out. The guy has already put more millions into the game and it's players than a lot of promoters have done in a lifetime.

Where on Earth do you think that the money comes from in golf? It comes from having a tournament trail with millions of dollars as the carrot and hundreds of thousands of golfers worldwide dreaming of someday playing on that tournament trail. It comes from tens of thousands of golfers playing in lesser tournaments hoping to break through to the next level and it comes from thousands of golfers who have a legitimate shot at being a tourning pro. Without that pool of players to constantly feed the ranks of golf pros with new talent there would be no pro tour in golf. The fans would stop watching the same old dinosaurs play and the sponsors would tire of it.

A fresh influx of players is required to support any professional sport. I believe I have a legimate chance to make it a round or two in an IPT event and I suck compared to the pros. I know plenty of players who are more dedicated to the game than me, who are about my speed and who wouldn't blink at spending $50, $100, $200 to play in a qualifier that leads to a qualifier that leads to the big tournament. I wouldn't mind spending a couple hundred a year chasing that dream. I blow far more than that on far less worthy endeavors.

It's really simple, if you don't want to play then don't play. I guarantee you that when the qualifiers get started there will be plenty of people trying. And if only two people per qualifier show up then they are in and more power to them. I bet that if there is a qualifier at Magoo's and they only have ten people in it and the winner comes back with $10,000 to show for his middle of the pack finish that there will be 20 people in the next qualifier.

John
Click to expand...


Yes, he does have his own, it is a reality of a man when confronted with his crimes he actually told the judge he took the money because he had no choice he was attempting to save his company from going under. He had absolutely no remorse, that is probably why he got time in jail instead of just making restitution. I doubt he even can tell the difference between right and wrong he's a sick man.

He is a man with a reality that as recent as only several years ago he was knowingly selling poison, a product that if taken by a pregnant woman could give her child brain damage or possibly kill children. He is a man with the reality to say or do anything at anyone's expense he doesn't care to survive and support his selfish needs what ever they may be.

This is a man I have discovered is far worse then you realize. I said a week or so ago I had things I would post about the man but I have changed my mind. First it would be deleted and second this is not the place I would have to set up a web site called " The Kevin Trudeau he doesn't want you to know about". I am ashamed of you people that you are all so easily impressed by this phony.
 
Last edited:
Ok, you've made your opinion very clear.



Unless you are a prospective player, why continue with the criticism.....none of which is new.


Either play or don't, but the insults will stop.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Ok, you've made your opinion very clear.



Unless you are a prospective player, why continue with the criticism.....none of which is new.


Either play or don't, but the insults will stop.
Click to expand...
Thank you for the mild nature of your reprimand, It is hard to even be civil any more with what I have learned about the man. I doubt I could be in the same room with him with what I now know. I have no intentions of saying anything further of a personal nature.
 
macguy said:
Yes, he does have his own, it is a reality of a man when confronted with his crimes he actually told the judge he took the money because he had no choice he was attempting to save his company from going under. He had absolutely no remorse, that is probably why he got time in jail instead of just making restitution. I doubt he even can tell the difference between right and wrong he's a sick man.

He is a man with a reality that as recent as only several years ago he was knowingly selling poison, a product that if taken by a pregnant woman could give her child brain damage or possibly kill children. He is a man with the reality to say or do anything at anyone's expense he doesn't care to survive and support his selfish needs what ever they may be.

This is a man I have discovered is far worse then you realize. I said a week or so ago I had things I would post about the man but I have changed my mind. First it would be deleted and second this is not the place I would have to set up a web site called " The Kevin Trudeau he doesn't want you to know about". I am ashamed of you people that you are all so easily impressed by this phony.
Click to expand...


If you truly 'know' these things then post them. If you are willing to get up in court and testify that what you are saying about Kevin Trudeau is the abslolute truth, so help you God, then it is your duty to post them.

Zaccharias Mousoui (sp) is on trial for the very fact that he kept silent when his silence condemned thousand to death.

I am ashamed of you that you would come in here and insinuate how bad this man is without providing the proof. So far all I have seen is a bunch of anti-kevin propaganda without much in the way of proof. I know that the FDA is responsible for rubber-stamping drugs that have been found to be harmful. I know that drug companies have been found to be pushing drugs on the consumer that they know aren't safe. These are things we know for a fact yet I see no condemnation from you towards them. I see no condemnation for the tobacco companies that lied to the world public for decades. I see no condemnation towards George Bush who murdered 30,000 Iraqi civilians. I see no condemnation towards the companies pushing for United States citizens to consume more and more and embroil themselves further and further in debt to finance that consumption. Kevin Trudeau and whatever he sells is the very fringe of what is wrong with this country and the world. For you to put so much focus on him and give the "real" criminals a pass is the real travesty here.

The big boys love it when the focus is on sideshows like Kevin Trudeau and his Natural Cures bandwagon. Keeps the spotlight off them and the atrocious crimes against humanity that they perpetrate on grander scales than Kevin Trudeau could dream of.

ALL MONEY THAT COMES FROM CORPORATE SPONSORS is dirty. All of it has the blood shed by the victims of corporate greed on it. It doesn't matter whether it's KT's money or Phillip Morris's. So get over it and just enjoy the game of pool. Make your life a meaningful one for as many people as you can and be an oasis rather than a poison well.

Barely any business or corporation does things for solely altruistic reasons. Like Kevin Trudeau or hate him but don't delude yourself into thinking that any other sponsor of this magnitude is any better or worse.

Lastly, most visionarys were condemned as heretics by their contemporaries. This has been the case, is the case now, and will continue as long as humans exist. In the absence of a collective mind wherein each of us is endowed with the sum total of human knowledge and experience at birth it will always be that each of is shaped by our particular experiences and enviroments. What each of us believes to be truth may be proven to be false tomorrow.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
If you are willing to get up in court and testify that what you are saying about Kevin Trudeau is the abslolute truth, so help you God, then it is your duty to post them.
Click to expand...

I never realized we have circumstances where there is an obligation to post, must have missed that in the rules of engagement :rolleyes:

Kevin Trudeau may be an excellent business man, he is surely a smooth talking salesman as his track record proves, and I'm happy that someone of his wealth is investing in pool, but I really had to laugh when you called him a visionary ... All I ever see is a man promoting his product (today it's a book, he has sold other things in the past, I wonder what tomorrow will bring) and using powerful sales and marketing tactics. I have the utmost respect for what he's doing, myself having spent many years selling millions of dollars worth of complex systems, cohorting with Scotch drinking sales pros, and taking a schwack of sales training courses. But I'd be willing to bet that the man couldn't hold his own in a discussion on natural medicines with our local 'herb lady' who writes a weekly column in a local paper. He'd do fine in a discussion about how the government conspires to keep everyone sick to prop up corporate profits or how the government picks on him, from what I've seen. Evangelist ? Sure ! Visionary ? Hardly.

jmo, given voluntarily.

Dave
 
onepocketchump said:
If you truly 'know' these things then post them. If you are willing to get up in court and testify that what you are saying about Kevin Trudeau is the abslolute truth, so help you God, then it is your duty to post them.

Zaccharias Mousoui (sp) is on trial for the very fact that he kept silent when his silence condemned thousand to death.

I am ashamed of you that you would come in here and insinuate how bad this man is without providing the proof. So far all I have seen is a bunch of anti-kevin propaganda without much in the way of proof. I know that the FDA is responsible for rubber-stamping drugs that have been found to be harmful. I know that drug companies have been found to be pushing drugs on the consumer that they know aren't safe. These are things we know for a fact yet I see no condemnation from you towards them. I see no condemnation for the tobacco companies that lied to the world public for decades. I see no condemnation towards George Bush who murdered 30,000 Iraqi civilians. I see no condemnation towards the companies pushing for United States citizens to consume more and more and embroil themselves further and further in debt to finance that consumption. Kevin Trudeau and whatever he sells is the very fringe of what is wrong with this country and the world. For you to put so much focus on him and give the "real" criminals a pass is the real travesty here.

The big boys love it when the focus is on sideshows like Kevin Trudeau and his Natural Cures bandwagon. Keeps the spotlight off them and the atrocious crimes against humanity that they perpetrate on grander scales than Kevin Trudeau could dream of.

ALL MONEY THAT COMES FROM CORPORATE SPONSORS is dirty. All of it has the blood shed by the victims of corporate greed on it. It doesn't matter whether it's KT's money or Phillip Morris's. So get over it and just enjoy the game of pool. Make your life a meaningful one for as many people as you can and be an oasis rather than a poison well.

Barely any business or corporation does things for solely altruistic reasons. Like Kevin Trudeau or hate him but don't delude yourself into thinking that any other sponsor of this magnitude is any better or worse.

Lastly, most visionarys were condemned as heretics by their contemporaries. This has been the case, is the case now, and will continue as long as humans exist. In the absence of a collective mind wherein each of us is endowed with the sum total of human knowledge and experience at birth it will always be that each of is shaped by our particular experiences and enviroments. What each of us believes to be truth may be proven to be false tomorrow.

John
Click to expand...

It's all on file, nothing I would say would be any revelation except to you people. I just took the trouble to do some extra looking. People like James Randi like to check deeper into guys like him and have found a lot that although public record not necessarily common knowledge, you just have to turn over a few extra rocks.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top