Is the Object Ball just a "Mirrored Reflection" of the Cue Ball

[azhousepro]

As much as you may want to deny it, CJ is a member of these forums. With that in mind, these attacks on him will stop.

That's one.

Mike

You are no champion. No matter how many times you state it.

Free of charge......how much for lessons?

How much for your DVDs?

No one can waste your time....only you can so do don't go blaming SJD for you wasting your time.

Since you don't know about the greats......search for Babe Cranfield .....that is a champion....you are a blowhard.

 

[CJ Wiley]

did play poker, however, was not the sharpest "tool" at the table

Does your "dad" still play? Does he still gamble?

My dad never did play pool, he was a tennis player and stressed that game with me.

He did play poker, however, was not the sharpest "tool" at the table. LoL

 

[liakos]

My dad never did play pool, he was a tennis player and stressed that game with me.

He did play poker, however, was not the sharpest "tool" at the table. LoL

Lol. When I referred to your "dad", I was referring to the great SJD! I don't know why the mods gave him a vacation from here?!?! He was such a nice, respectful, and ever helpful contributor to this forum

Either way, YOUR dad being a tennis player most likely gave you a lot of insight on "other" aspects of our great sport! It's nice to be able to see things from different perspectives and judge from the outside in!

 

[Mikjary]

You are no champion. No matter how many times you state it...
Since you don't know about the greats......search for Babe Cranfield .....that is a champion....you are a blowhard.

Okay, then I'm not a champion.....whatever you believe must be true. I'm surprised you insist on reading all my posts if what you write is true in your own mind.

Aloha :shrug:

Dear Mr. Blowhard :wink:,

Your OP about the cue ball being a mirrored reflection of the object ball makes sense when I use a contact point to contact point alignment. I can target the contact point on the object ball with TOI and no noticeable adjustment. I can't get the same results with TOO.

Disclaimer- No pool players were harmed with the aiming, TOI, and TOO references. What's the over/under before this thread gets nudged off the tracks, again? :grin-square:

Best,
Mike

 

[CJ Wiley]

he'll need to get his courage up before he starts posting as "OleNineBaller" LoL

Lol. When I referred to your "dad", I was referring to the great SJD! I don't know why the mods gave him a vacation from here?!?! He was such a nice, respectful, and ever helpful contributor to this forum

Either way, YOUR dad being a tennis player most likely gave you a lot of insight on "other" aspects of our great sport! It's nice to be able to see things from different perspectives and judge from the outside in!

SJD got a vacation?

See what happens when I don't post for a couple of weeks. LoL

Pour "Dad" another one, he'll need to get his courage up before he starts posting as "OleNineBaller" or some other alias.

 

[Straightpool_99]

What do you aim at in pool? Do you aim at the object ball, the pocket, the cue ball, the shadows, the lights? What is your primary target?
The object ball, or some spot outside it.

Remember an important, and often over-looked fact - the cue ball is always the primary target because it's the only thing we physically contact - we don't effect the object ball, or the pocket directly.
SureIn the same way that the front and rear sight on a pistol are the "primary targets" on the range. The cueball and cue work the same way(sort of) as these sights. You need to get them lined up, then point them at something. If you are staring at the front sight only you will hit nothing. On the final forward swing of the cue all the people I've ever talked with aim either at the object ball, or in some rare cases: The line formed by the cue pointing into the cueball contact point. They don't ever look at the cueball only, as far as I've heard.
This is true no matter the distance, the speed, the spin, the angle, etc. Another reason "there are no easy shots or hard shots," because the target is actually where the tip connects to the cue ball at impact.
You can't be serious! Of course there are hard and easy shots. Agree that one should probably put more effort into the easy shots than most people do and maybe be less apprehensive about the hard shots, but that is where the agreement ends.
If we don't hit the cue ball where we're aiming, it's not possible to hit the object ball as planned.
Obviously, but if you are grossly mishitting the cueball it is not an aiming issue! You are either incorrectly aligned (stance, psr issue) or have a crooked stroke (stroke issue).
The object ball acts as a "mirrored" reflection of now we influence the cue ball. When we put left spin on the cue ball, it puts right spin on the object ball, when we put under-spin on the cue ball, it puts over-spin on the object ball etc.
NO IT DOESN'T, It is true that you can transfer spin onto the object ball, but this transfer is extremely inefficient! You don't even come close to be able to call this a mirrored reflection! Not only that but it is extremely dependent on cut angles etc...
The cue ball is always the target and in every case we have to hit the cue ball precisely where we're aiming.

We're really not "aiming" at the object ball, we align to it in such a way that, when we hit the cue ball where we intend, the object ball (as a result) goes where we desire (in the final target which is the pocket or area of the table for a safety).

I don't think I agree with anything you said in this post. Here is what I think 99,99% of people do lining up a shot: First they get a general idea standing up, of what the cut angle is. They usually visualize the ball collision more or less precisely. They then go down trying to preservee the imagined line of the cueball/stick/objectball. While down on the shot they align the cueball and stick to conform to their earlier visualization. They alternate between this and fine tuning where the cueball stick combo is aiming at the object ball. Once the cueball/stick combo is lined up and pointing at the object ball they pull the cue back: Some people like to look at the cueball/stick combo while stroking forward, but the majority trust the previously achieved alignment and prefer looking at the object ball. The latter is more natural, like when you throw a ball, you don't look at your hand. That does not mean it is superior, just that treating the cueball/stick combo as an extension of your hand would resemble how we humans usually throw objects.

 

[cfrandy]

I don't think I agree with anything you said in this post. Here is what I think 99,99% of people do lining up a shot: First they get a general idea standing up, of what the cut angle is. They usually visualize the ball collision more or less precisely. They then go down trying to preservee the imagined line of the cueball/stick/objectball. While down on the shot they align the cueball and stick to conform to their earlier visualization. They alternate between this and fine tuning where the cueball stick combo is aiming at the object ball. Once the cueball/stick combo is lined up and pointing at the object ball they pull the cue back: Some people like to look at the cueball/stick combo while stroking forward, but the majority trust the previously achieved alignment and prefer looking at the object ball. The latter is more natural, like when you throw a ball, you don't look at your hand. That does not mean it is superior, just that treating the cueball/stick combo as an extension of your hand would resemble how we humans usually throw objects.

I think YOU have just described why 99.99% of the people are not very good shotmakers!

 

[DTL]

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[duckie]

I don't think I agree with anything you said in this post. Here is what I think 99,99% of people do lining up a shot: First they get a general idea standing up, of what the cut angle is. They usually visualize the ball collision more or less precisely. They then go down trying to preservee the imagined line of the cueball/stick/objectball. While down on the shot they align the cueball and stick to conform to their earlier visualization. They alternate between this and fine tuning where the cueball stick combo is aiming at the object ball. Once the cueball/stick combo is lined up and pointing at the object ball they pull the cue back: Some people like to look at the cueball/stick combo while stroking forward, but the majority trust the previously achieved alignment and prefer looking at the object ball. The latter is more natural, like when you throw a ball, you don't look at your hand. That does not mean it is superior, just that treating the cueball/stick combo as an extension of your hand would resemble how we humans usually throw objects.

I get my sense of direction the cue is going from my grip hand. Everything I do to get into shooting position is based on my grip on the cue.

Not length of bridge, where my feet or, (BTW, I can shoot reverse footed, kinda throws the idea the feet must be in certain places and on some shoots is easier), not where my head is.....a can shoot one handed standing up, head no where over the cue,

And so on.....but my grip must always be on the right line.

Babe Cranfield , a true champion, a Hall of Famer, which CJ is not, states in his books there are three lines. The line to the pocket from the OB. The line from the CB to OB. And the cue stick. The first two lines are set by the shot, the cue line is one that matters.

So, what puts the cue on the right line, your grip, not your bridge. The grip determines where the bridge goes. Not the other way around.

With the grip on the right line, you just move the grip on that line and that's the path the cue will take. Move the grip toward where you want the CB to go.

Just a no name, got nothing to sell, no hope of ever playing good point of view.

 

[Mikjary]

Dear Mr. Blowhard :wink:,...Disclaimer- No pool players were harmed with the aiming, TOI, and TOO references. What's the over/under before this thread gets nudged off the tracks, again? :grin-square:

Best,
Mike

...You can't be serious!...

.....And we're off and running, again.

I guess one post is the answer. :thumbup: Not bad...despite some of the usual suspects being banned.

Best,
Mike

 

[CJ Wiley]

'My Game will be your Teacher'

I don't think I agree with anything you said in this post. Here is what I think 99,99% of people do lining up a shot: First they get a general idea standing up, of what the cut angle is. They usually visualize the ball collision more or less precisely. They then go down trying to preservee the imagined line of the cueball/stick/objectball. While down on the shot they align the cueball and stick to conform to their earlier visualization. They alternate between this and fine tuning where the cueball stick combo is aiming at the object ball. Once the cueball/stick combo is lined up and pointing at the object ball they pull the cue back: Some people like to look at the cueball/stick combo while stroking forward, but the majority trust the previously achieved alignment and prefer looking at the object ball. The latter is more natural, like when you throw a ball, you don't look at your hand. That does not mean it is superior, just that treating the cueball/stick combo as an extension of your hand would resemble how we humans usually throw objects.

I don't understand what you're saying exactly, although it appears you do, so that's really all that matters.

I guess we'll have to "agree to disagree"......if you ever want to play some, I'm open to you showing me how you do it "your way"....I'll be in Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa and Missouri in the next three weeks, if you want to meet up :thumbup: 'My Game will be your Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

we have a lot of disbelievers that can't seem to get any

I guess one post is the answer. :thumbup: Not bad...despite some of the usual suspects being banned.

Best,
Mike

Bet the over, we have a lot of disbelievers that can't seem to get any better.

'Our Game will be their Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

Earl Strickland was certainly one of the best shot-makers of all time!!!

I think YOU have just described why 99.99% of the people are not very good shotmakers!

There are many levels of shot-making.

Target pool may have been one of the best test of this skill - although I won both of their major, pro events, I still think Earl had the slight edge on me and Efren.

 

[Drop The Rock]

I don't think I agree with anything you said in this post. Here is what I think 99,99% of people do lining up a shot: First they get a general idea standing up, of what the cut angle is. They usually visualize the ball collision more or less precisely. They then go down trying to preservee the imagined line of the cueball/stick/objectball. While down on the shot they align the cueball and stick to conform to their earlier visualization. They alternate between this and fine tuning where the cueball stick combo is aiming at the object ball. Once the cueball/stick combo is lined up and pointing at the object ball they pull the cue back: Some people like to look at the cueball/stick combo while stroking forward, but the majority trust the previously achieved alignment and prefer looking at the object ball. The latter is more natural, like when you throw a ball, you don't look at your hand. That does not mean it is superior, just that treating the cueball/stick combo as an extension of your hand would resemble how we humans usually throw objects.

I think YOU have just described why 99.99% of the people are not very good shotmakers!

HAHAHA cfrandy if you think that isn't how most of the pros "aim" you are mistaken. Cj probably doesn't "aim" either. This a is just some philosophical crap that is a controversial discussion starter

 

[Straightpool_99]

I don't understand what you're saying exactly, although it appears you do, so that's really all that matters.
I take pride in understanding the words I say. You should try it sometime.

I guess we'll have to "agree to disagree"......
Let's.
if you ever want to play some, I'm open to you showing me how you do it "your way"....I'll be in Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa and Missouri in the next three weeks, if you want to meet up :thumbup:
I'll be looking for plane tickets under my couch cushions.
'My Game will be your Teacher'

Do you SERIOUSLY have to state these things after every post? I feel like I'm in North Korea with this constant slogan chanting. You can beat me at pool, so I guess you win! Hooray!

 

[jimmyg]

I'd have to say that, providing that both the cue and object balls are clean and shiny with nothing between them, one would have to be the "mirrored reflection" of the other.

And.

J

 

[pt109]

I'd have to say that, providing that both the cue and object balls are clean and shiny with nothing between them, one would have to be the "mirrored reflection" of the other.

And.

J

Don't you think 'mirrored reflection' is tautological?


pt...sending this from his automobile car

 

[DAVE_M]

Don't you think 'mirrored reflection' is tautological?


pt...sending this from his automobile car

Is that how we get to the 4th dimension?

 

[jimmyg]

Don't you think 'mirrored reflection' is tautological?

pt...sending this from his automobile car

Tautology (rhetoric), a self-reinforcing pretense of significant truth. Tautology (grammar), the use of redundant words. Tautology (logic), a universal truth in formal logic. Tautology (rule of inference), a rule of replacement for logical expressions.

Had to look it up, but, yes, yes indeed.

j....sending this from his bulky pc desktop.

 

[cfrandy]

Originally Posted by Straightpool_99

I don't think I agree with anything you said in this post. Here is what I think 99,99% of people do lining up a shot:

HAHAHA cfrandy if you think that isn't how most of the pros "aim" you are mistaken. Cj probably doesn't "aim" either. This a is just some philosophical crap that is a controversial discussion starter

So YOU think 99.99% of the people are pros?