Is there a link to the shot from Mosconi?

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Is there a link to the shot that everyone is talking about involving Dennis.

He did great for us last time, no reason to believe he wont do great in the future.
 
I'll diagram it

This is using the 7ft table, the 9 ft one give me an error.

Don't take the angles I put up as gospel, but the gist of it is that the cueball hit too low on the rail after the 7 and ended up behind the 8. He He then tried to spin the cueball around the 8 with left, and ended up not making the shot. At least I think it was a slow spin, I did not see any raising of the cue for masse action. It was great hearing from Dennis about the exact mindset and environment on this shot.

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I didn't see the shot, so I am just going off what you are showing, but why not make it, and it appears that anywhere would be acceptable.
 
Thank you for the link Derek.

ANY of us could have come up like that on shape, I think that the people giving Dennis a hard time need to rethink their stance. Its that shot and the pressure of the score, figure that people think that if you are at that level the pressure doesn't affect you.

You will go to the pool hall set that shot up and get shape 99-100 times, but add in the circumstances and he just got a bit of a bad roll off the cushion.
 
Accuracy first

Dennis hit the 7-ball okay except for one thing.
The 7 went in the right side of the pocket ..resulting in the cue ball
going wider from a thick hit.
If the 7-ball goes dead center the position for the 8 would have been
perfect.
We've all done it many times.

Personally,I try to avoid these situations.
Instead of backing up on the 6-ball a little bit,would rather go through
the same amount...leaving an angle where center right english has zero
chance of being hooked.

Always easier in retrospect...I'd like a dollar for every time I hooked myself.

ps....thanx Derek for posting this vid...was busy when it aired
 
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Dennis just picked too aggressive of a line for position is how I see it. He could have been pretty much anywhere down there and had a good shot, but he picked an aggressive line that afforded a real simple angle to get out, but not a whole lot of room for error. You can see how aggressive the line is when he measures it out with his cue.

I think most people fall victim to that at times. I usually do it when I am playing really well, feeling like I can land the cueball on a dime - the dime becomes a silver dollar and I stand there scratching my head wondering how the hell I just put myself in jail.

Aaron
 
u12armresl said:
Is there a link to the shot that everyone is talking about involving Dennis.

He did great for us last time, no reason to believe he wont do great in the future.
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Yep, I sure hope he is on the team next year. Funny thing about how short peoples memories are. Many seem to think you are only as good as your last shot.
BTW I am not referring to you, but rather some other folks on different thread.
 
Aaron_S said:
Dennis just picked too aggressive of a line for position is how I see it. He could have been pretty much anywhere down there and had a good shot, but he picked an aggressive line that afforded a real simple angle to get out, but not a whole lot of room for error. You can see how aggressive the line is when he measures it out with his cue.

I think most people fall victim to that at times. I usually do it when I am playing really well, feeling like I can land the cueball on a dime - the dime becomes a silver dollar and I stand there scratching my head wondering how the hell I just put myself in jail.

Aaron
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Aaron, I absolutely agree.

When I watched Dennis sizing up that shot I thought to myself 'he's giving himself a very small landing zone'. But he's a top pro and these guys can hit those fairly routinely.

That said, the atmosphere was crazy, adrenelaine was pumping, and it's easy to say with hindsight that a safer route should have been taken.

pt109 also makes a great observation. That by Dennis hitting the 7 fat, that deadened the roll of whitey so as not to come off of the rail as crisply as it could have.

It wasn't a high percentage match for either player, there were a fair amount of misses on makeable balls.

Did anyone else think that once he hooked himself, that Dennis had a better chance at jumping the nine to make the 8 ball rather than trying to spin around it as he did?

All in all, I saw Dennis as playing his heart out for team USA and, given the absolutely raucous atmosphere there, a couple of errors could be expected.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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At the end of the match when Darren makes the nine ball did he break his cue on the floor? Dennis points at it and the ref is picking it up.
 
Yes he broke his cue during his celebration. Not as bad as the poker player who broke his knee during a big pot celebration.
 
"THE shot" was not the only time Dennis left the cue ball hooked with two balls on the table. He also did it on Day 1 in the first match with the full teams going against each other. At the time the match was 5-4 (race to 6, U.S. on the hill). We ended up losing that game and the next and lost that match, giving Europe a 1-0 lead in the Cup.

Here's a link the the "OTHER" shot, at 6:01 of part 6 of 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNi_inEWlXo

I feel for the guy. The pressure has got to be unbelievable. As I recall the table with new cloth and all was playing real fast and I think even the commentators were mentioning that all the players appeared to be over-running position trying to get used to the table. Jay can probably confirm this even though he didn't commentate that particular match. He had a lot of room for error on this shot and could have still been OK but just put too much on it. At this point we were two balls from taking the first match of the Cup. I'm sure he was jacked and just over-ran it. It happens.
 
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Kickin' Chicken said:
Aaron, I absolutely agree.

When I watched Dennis sizing up that shot I thought to myself 'he's giving himself a very small landing zone'. But he's a top pro and these guys can hit those fairly routinely.

That said, the atmosphere was crazy, adrenelaine was pumping, and it's easy to say with hindsight that a safer route should have been taken.

pt109 also makes a great observation. That by Dennis hitting the 7 fat, that deadened the roll of whitey so as not to come off of the rail as crisply as it could have.

It wasn't a high percentage match for either player, there were a fair amount of misses on makeable balls.

Did anyone else think that once he hooked himself, that Dennis had a better chance at jumping the nine to make the 8 ball rather than trying to spin around it as he did?

All in all, I saw Dennis as playing his heart out for team USA and, given the absolutely raucous atmosphere there, a couple of errors could be expected.

Best,
Brian kc
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Yeah, I have no desire to be critical of Dennis. He brings a lot to the Mosconi team, and everyone makes mistakes. Hell, a good portion of Efren's "magic" shots only happened because he put himself in jail.

The jump looked a little weird to me, distance b/w the cueball and 9-ball being the biggest factor. If he felt like it was on, I think he would have shot it since the straight line shot would be much preferable over a curve shot when the pressure is on (IMO).

Aaron
 
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