Is there a safety here?

tim913 said:
Probably wouldn't be a problem for a lot of players to bank the 8, but a lot of us probably read the post where he said he was a 5 handicap and answered the question with that in mind
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I read that. And I still say if you cant bank the 8, there's no way you're not screwing up the safety. Why would you assume I didnt read that?

A 5 certainly isnt helpless, and I will say the same for a 4, 3, or 2, if you think you cant make the bank, no way should you sell the game out by trying to play safe and not just going for the win.

A 20% chance of winning the game by banking is a lot better than a 100% chance of losing the game by trying to play safe.
 
jasonlaus said:
I read that. And I still say if you cant bank the 8, there's no way you're not screwing up the safety. Why would you assume I didnt read that?

A 5 certainly isnt helpless, and I will say the same for a 4, 3, or 2, if you think you cant make the bank, no way should you sell the game out by trying to play safe and not just going for the win.

A 20% chance of winning the game by banking is a lot better than a 100% chance of losing the game by trying to play safe.
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To me the bank is not difficult at all, but if one of my players comes to me not knowing what to do it tells me they have no confidence in the bank, and being a 5, and the shot is for the game I'm going to tell them to take the safe. The safe is really simple and to me the best shot to take under the circumstances. You have a different opinion, that's fine.
 
jasonlaus said:
All I know is, I'd like to play everybody in this thread that would play safe.

If you cant bank the 8 but think you could freeze the CB to the 11:killingme:

Just sayin
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You miss you might sell out vs. you stick the cue ball you win.With the bank that close in 8-ball yeah I'll take the safe. Now if this was One Pocket we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I have the touch to stick the cue ball and I like winning.
 
JC said:
If your plan is to use low right full in the face.

Try a safety.

You will never successfully bank the 8.
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Lol I successfully banked it many times, did you read my post or the first line? My initial thought (for about .4 - .7 seconds) was that the CB was beneath the 8 a bit. I don’t know why but that’s just the picture my brain took in when I saw the diagram, and I explained the whole thing out as a possible explanation for why another poster thought it simple to just bank the 8 and stun the Q B safe. I’ll have to keep an eye on you.

When I set this shot up as close as possible to the diagram it needed inside to go.
 
Thanks for all of the replies! So I think I got my answer, in that there is a safety; it's just not the right shot.

I set up this shot a few times last night to try the safety and I only made it once out of ten (I made the bank in the match the first try). As I was setting it up I remembered the cue ball was closer to the 8 than my diagram, like maybe a ball and a half away, making the safe much harder, for me anyway. It was reallllly touchy.

I was looking at the safe too, I think, because I have been 'working on' my safety play in practice. And I don't play 1 pocket or else I'd imagine I wouldn't have even thought about anything but banking it :)

Moral of the story, maybe I should play some 1 pocket lol
 
336Robin said:
You miss you might sell out vs. you stick the cue ball you win.With the bank that close in 8-ball yeah I'll take the safe. Now if this was One Pocket we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I have the touch to stick the cue ball and I like winning.
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Why do you win if you play safe? That's not a guarantee.
 
Okay, all you bank-shot firers and safety naysayers, I have two questions about this safety here:

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1. Is this somehow not 100% for you?

2. What response do you imagine is remotely possible from your opponent that doesn't result in you winning the game next inning?
 
Andrew Manning said:
Okay, all you bank-shot firers and safety naysayers, I have two questions about this safety here:



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1. Is this somehow not 100% for you?



2. What response do you imagine is remotely possible from your opponent that doesn't result in you winning the game next inning?
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I might be able to thin off the 11, have it only move an inch but send the cueball three rails or so.





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MattPoland said:
I might be able to thin off the 11, have it only love an inch but send the cueball three rails or so.
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Or, kick 2 rails out of the lower L corner of pic at the other balls. Pretty sure you are gonna hit something.

The original situation is a very poor position for the non-shooter, but it is absolutely bettered if the shooter plays a safe.
 
Andrew Manning said:
What response do you imagine is remotely possible from your opponent that doesn't result in you winning the game next inning?
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That's the shot I'd play. It's very simple and all right there in front of you. There are several traps involved though.

1) If the ball freezes to the 11, some rules declare that 11 nonexistent and the incoming player is allowed to push though it to a legal hit elsewhere. There are even three balls up table for cover.

2) If the balls don't freeze, this requires the incoming player to contend with the 11. While you'd presume incoming guy has only tough safeties to choose from, pool being what it is, the 11 could now be a viable object ball for the side or the up table corner.
 
straightline said:
That's the shot I'd play. It's very simple and all right there in front of you. There are several traps involved though.

1) If the ball freezes to the 11, some rules declare that 11 nonexistent and the incoming player is allowed to push though it to a legal hit elsewhere. There are even three balls up table for cover.

2) If the balls don't freeze, this requires the incoming player to contend with the 11. While you'd presume incoming guy has only tough safeties to choose from, pool being what it is, the 11 could now be a viable object ball for the side or the up table corner.
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Guaranteed that if you leave the 8/11 there, an even moderately competent opponent is putting you up table and on the same side as the 8/11...and now you are kicking at the 8.
 
Andrew Manning said:
Okay, all you bank-shot firers and safety naysayers, I have two questions about this safety here:

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1. Is this somehow not 100% for you?

2. What response do you imagine is remotely possible from your opponent that doesn't result in you winning the game next inning?
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If I had a nickel for every time I played safe, patted myself on the back and proceeded to lose the game after they did something "lucky" I would have a lot of nickles.

Most of you may know this already but if you shorten your bridge to about an inch on a delicate safety like this you can execute something that feels like a stroke and have much greater control than a normal bridge length and trying to soft dink it. If you haven't already done so, try it you'll like it. I was taught this by a pro and it's kick ass for exactly this situation.
 
Personally, I would bank the 8 without a moments hesitation. I feel that a safety is there however unnecessary, and the control needed to lock it up at such a short distance is quite high. The bank is simply an easier shot (for me anyway).

Also, if you miss the 8 it would likely hang in the pocket with the correct ball speed. Unless your example was one inning I would not worry about your opponent getting out from there.
 
JC said:
If I had a nickel for every time I played safe, patted myself on the back and proceeded to lose the game after they did something "lucky" I would have a lot of nickles.

Most of you may know this already but if you shorten your bridge to about an inch on a delicate safety like this you can execute something that feels like a stroke and have much greater control than a normal bridge length and trying to soft dink it. If you haven't already done so, try it you'll like it. I was taught this by a pro and it's kick ass for exactly this situation.
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If I had a nickel for every time I told someone to play safe but they said no and fired away and wound up losing the game, I'd have a lot of nickels ;)

Very low chance they are going to hook you after that safety, but even so, if it happened, I get a nice kick shot with the 8 ball sitting like a duck out in front of the pocket. Probably easier kick than the bank would be ;) lol

Either way, the other shooter is back in his seat if he lucks out and we are back in the same position as before, but I got a big ole 8 ball just sitting there for me :) But, probably had 85% chance he was not going to hook me and the 8ball would be straight in shot for the win.
 
This thread reminds me of Kazakis vs Alcade last year. Alex ducked a pretty easy bank and Alcade punished him for it. I have no problem ducking when needed but shots like these are not hard to make. I don't like giving up the table unless i have have no shot or a very tough one.
 
Andrew Manning said:
Okay, all you bank-shot firers and safety naysayers, I have two questions about this safety here:

5c207.png


1. Is this somehow not 100% for you?

2. What response do you imagine is remotely possible from your opponent that doesn't result in you winning the game next inning?
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The stronger the player the more often they will play the safe.

I can understand weaker players going for it because it's harder to play safe than it is to go for everything and sell out.

I can see that not many here play 14.1 or 1hole very strong.....either that or they are just playing possum so people will think they are weak players.

Anyone that don't agree......if you live close enough....come to my house and I would LOVE to play some...

Florence, Alabama

Jeff
 
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