Is there magic in the magic rack

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I recently was in a local 9 ball turney and was paying attention to one of the players who made the wing ball on every rack he broke,I saw about 10 Is it magic ? or is there ways to set those racks to make balls



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I recently was in a local 9 ball turney and was paying attention to one of the players who made the wing ball on every rack he broke,I saw about 10 Is it magic ? or is there ways to set those racks to make balls
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IMHO, the same thing will happen with any perfectly tight rack. The wing ball is almost automatic. We went through the same thing with the Sardo rack and TD's started racking the 9 ball on the spot in an attempt to stop it from happening. Frankly, I prefer the slight imperfections you get with a normal rack.
 
The secret of the magic rack is all the balls are touching, and you're putting the 1-ball on the spot.
 
It gives you a perfect rack so if you know how to hit 'em, you'll make the wing ball most of the time. A triangle rack gives you an imperfect rack so the ball that's supposed to be wired to go in often doesn't go in.

I recently was in a local 9 ball turney and was paying attention to one of the players who made the wing ball on every rack he broke,I saw about 10 Is it magic ? or is there ways to set those racks to make balls



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Actually a perfect rack does not mean you will make the wing ball...

The magic rack loads the balls by pushing them against each other.. In a perfect rack the balls are touching but the cloth holds them in place......

The magic rack creates potential energy because of the loading... This is why it makes a beginner look like he knows what he/she's doing when they break using it....... "Wing Ball Corner pocket" Wham!!!!
 
Actually a perfect rack does not mean you will make the wing ball...

Neither does a Magic Rack rack. I've seen plenty of wing balls missed using one.

The magic rack loads the balls by pushing them against each other.. In a perfect rack the balls are touching but the cloth holds them in place......

The magic rack creates potential energy because of the loading... This is why it makes a beginner look like he knows what he/she's doing when they break using it....... "Wing Ball Corner pocket" Wham!!!!

How would you explain a Sardo rack, which does the same thing without "holding" the balls in place?

Fact of the matter is, even without a perfect rack the wing ball can be made every time. Ask Joe Tucker.

The problem isn't any kind of racking device, it's the rack itself. The 9 ball rack is too easily manipulated, rigged, and easily read to give the breaker a definitive advantage if they know what they're looking at/for.
 
When will Magic Rack be declared Illegal

Will Corey Deuel use of Magic Rack cause it to be illegal.

Or, will Corey Deuel be banned from using Magic Rack?
 
Fact of the matter is, even without a perfect rack the wing ball can be made every time. Ask Joe Tucker.

The problem isn't any kind of racking device, it's the rack itself. The 9 ball rack is too easily manipulated, rigged, and easily read to give the breaker a definitive advantage if they know what they're looking at/for.

Real simple explanation.... The sardo rack required the table to be trained.... As in it required the balls to be tapped into place causing depressions.... the depressions did much the same thing that the magic rack does... It caused the balls to be loaded.... There is a difference between balls touching or being loaded.....

And I already know everything in Joe's Books and DVDs and a ton that he has yet to go into.... If ALL the balls are touching with no gaps to read and you can still miss making the wing ball then making the wing is a skill... Which is why Joe released his materials...... To teach people what some but not every one knew......

The magic rack doesn't require any skill to make the wing.... And If you have one that doesn't either it's worn out or it was cut a little off or you can always have someone twisting the rack on you.... The magic rack is a gaff shot.... It's a trick shot at best and a bad answer to racking 9ball for A and better players at worst.......

I will agree that the 9ball rack is way to easy to manipulate so something needs to be done to focus on the break again and not the racking skills or mechanic abilities of the players....

All I can say is it's being worked on from several angles by more than one person.....
 
Mike Panozzo must be perusing the AZ Billiards Forum. The No Conflict Rules actually got some ink in this month's Billiards Digest. Players of all abilities like the rules. I have a whole lot of proof. A special new racking gadget is not needed. It just creates more problems. The No Conflict Rules take every racking and breaking issue right out of the game (Eight, Nine, and Ten-Ball).
 
Sorry, Renfro. And anyone else that believes in "loading the rack". I call B.S. on it. I say Prove It! Until someone does, I say it's nonsense. I believe it was started by the better players as the only excuse they could come up with to argue against having a tight rack and not being able to rig the rack on lesser players. There is no evidence whatsoever that I have ever heard of, of any tests being done to verify the statement. A tight rack means the corner ball is wired if the rack is hit at an angle, and it also means that the 9 will stay in the rack area. If hit a little off of straight on, the back ball will hit the 9 and send it up towards a corner pocket. Exact same thing happens with a wooden rack on a new cloth while you can still get the balls all frozen.

I do believe in the term "loading the rack". I like to call it "stacking the balls".

I think the burden of proof is on the new gadget in order for it to become standard. There is something really wrong here. Why is the new racking gadget still on the table during the shot? Isn't this the same thing as laying a cue stick under a rail during a shot so to direct any balls that hit the rail into the corner pocket?

Here we are leaving on the table while shooting, a template that influences the direction of the balls.
 
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You can measure any "loading" using your finger to push a ball out of the rack. It is a tiny amount, just a gentle brush. Very little more than if there is no magic rack in use. So if the balls roll any further than a regular rack where all balls are touching, there is some other reason.

As for directing the balls toward a pocket - the balls not on the perimeter aren't directed anywhere. They are sitting on the felt. The balls sitting in the little slots are directed towards the center of the rack by the magic rack (if in any direction), not outwards towards some pocket.

As for having something on the table during play, there is the foot spot. It's always there - so there is a precedent. You can usually remove the magic rack without disturbing a ball early in a game. Sometimes I get lazy and just leave it there. A few times I've noticed that as some random ball is almost stopped, its path is changed by the magic rack. But not much or often.

Mainly I think the magic rack demonstrates what lousy racks people are used to. Most people just didn't know how bad they were.
 
You can measure any "loading" using your finger to push a ball out of the rack. It is a tiny amount, just a gentle brush. Very little more than if there is no magic rack in use. So if the balls roll any further than a regular rack where all balls are touching, there is some other reason.

As for directing the balls toward a pocket - the balls not on the perimeter aren't directed anywhere. They are sitting on the felt. The balls sitting in the little slots are directed towards the center of the rack by the magic rack (if in any direction), not outwards towards some pocket.

As for having something on the table during play, there is the foot spot. It's always there - so there is a precedent. You can usually remove the magic rack without disturbing a ball early in a game. Sometimes I get lazy and just leave it there. A few times I've noticed that as some random ball is almost stopped, its path is changed by the magic rack. But not much or often.

Mainly I think the magic rack demonstrates what lousy racks people are used to. Most people just didn't know how bad they were.

I apparently disagree... With the triangle you can load the 1ball based on the spot and divot... I have spent my whole life giving good racks... Granted I usually didn't get the same back but after 20 years you will get a rack where the balls all touch(unless the set is junk)...

You don't load wing balls unless you "know" something...

The magic rack loads them all pretty friggin stoutly with a new set because it has to do the same job if the balls are a little off in size...

Anytime you add force above the cloth friction and the balls weight to the equation that touches it to the ball next to it you have stored energy,,, The small amount you talk about as far for checking for loading at the first of the quote is way bigger than you imagine....

The first time I ever started even thinking this way was because of Archer..... His comment was "Yeah the balls were touching but they weren't frozen" It changed the way I looked at the rack forever....
 
Actually a perfect rack does not mean you will make the wing ball...

The magic rack loads the balls by pushing them against each other.. In a perfect rack the balls are touching but the cloth holds them in place......

The magic rack creates potential energy because of the loading... This is why it makes a beginner look like he knows what he/she's doing when they break using it....... "Wing Ball Corner pocket" Wham!!!!

It is my personal belief that the Magic Rack makes the balls come slightly off the cloth - I just can't prove it. How else could the Magic Rack 'push' the balls together? It's the way the holes are set.

BTW, the Slug Doctor does the same thing as the balls seem to be 'pushed' together. It this case I personally believe that the reinforcements are set to 'push' the balls together.

Bottom line - the outer balls are not flush with the cloth.
 
I do believe in the term "loading the rack". I like to call it "stacking the balls".

I think the burden of proof is on the new gadget in order for it to become standard. There is something really wrong here. Why is the new racking gadget still on the table during the shot? Isn't this the same thing as laying a cue stick under a rail during a shot so to direct any balls that hit the rail into the corner pocket?

Here we are leaving on the table while shooting, a template that influences the direction of the balls.

I have never seen a magic rack turn a ball and steer it into the corner pocket during a break, after which it is taken off the table. The edges of it point at a half diamond up the short rail anyway, not at the pocket.

JC
 
I do believe in the term "loading the rack". I like to call it "stacking the balls".

I think the burden of proof is on the new gadget in order for it to become standard. There is something really wrong here. Why is the new racking gadget still on the table during the shot? Isn't this the same thing as laying a cue stick under a rail during a shot so to direct any balls that hit the rail into the corner pocket?

Here we are leaving on the table while shooting, a template that influences the direction of the balls.

Its more equivalent to a foot spot, which tends to influence balls somewhat often because you can't take it off the table like the magic rack.
 
I have never seen a magic rack turn a ball and steer it into the corner pocket during a break, after which it is taken off the table. The edges of it point at a half diamond up the short rail anyway, not at the pocket.

JC


I am fairly certain that Paul is alluding to the BREAK ITSELF as "the shot". That is, no foreign object should be on the cloth during ANY shot.

With that being said, I am an advocate of the Magic Rack on the tables where we play. It is impossible to get a good rack with a regular triangle unless you move the 1 ball a good 1/2 ball up or down.
 
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