Is this a foul? Not intended use of equipment?
- Thread starter bdorman
- Start date
If I was gambling, and my opponent felt he needed a piece of chalk as a guide....
.....I would feel pretty good about it...I'd try to raise the price....I'd open the line for side action.....
..I'd call the old lady to consider vacation plans....I'd start to consider the 2015 models....
....and put in an order with Searing.
:happydance::happydance:
.....I would feel pretty good about it...I'd try to raise the price....I'd open the line for side action.....
..I'd call the old lady to consider vacation plans....I'd start to consider the 2015 models....
....and put in an order with Searing.
:happydance::happydance:
1. People don't think it's a foul
2. Someone shows the rule in the rule book
3. Some people don't think it should be a rule and would never call it because its chicken poop.
4.Someone says it's no longer in the rule book but doesn't show where it's been deleted.
No matter what game you are playing , there have to be rules.
Unless you don't mind that cheaters always win .
So far the BCA rulebook has been a big part of our national rules.
We also have the onepocket.org rules Gradys Rules and some others .
Pick one and play by them!
Joe Bob in Arkansas {even though he hasn't missed a ball since 1973} should not be changing rules to suit his ideals.
Neither should Sir Robert Fitzroy who owns 20 Balabushkas and 3 poolrooms and a yacht.
The rules are made by a committee, if we don't like them , there should be a way for everyone to vote on all rules individually once every couple of years. That would allow for needed changes but not a bunch of frivolous seesaw.
I have been to lots of tournaments and even a lot of the top players in the world don't know all the rules.
They know the rules they gamble by , but the tournament director changed some of those ????
2. Someone shows the rule in the rule book
3. Some people don't think it should be a rule and would never call it because its chicken poop.
4.Someone says it's no longer in the rule book but doesn't show where it's been deleted.
No matter what game you are playing , there have to be rules.
Unless you don't mind that cheaters always win .
So far the BCA rulebook has been a big part of our national rules.
We also have the onepocket.org rules Gradys Rules and some others .
Pick one and play by them!
Joe Bob in Arkansas {even though he hasn't missed a ball since 1973} should not be changing rules to suit his ideals.
Neither should Sir Robert Fitzroy who owns 20 Balabushkas and 3 poolrooms and a yacht.
The rules are made by a committee, if we don't like them , there should be a way for everyone to vote on all rules individually once every couple of years. That would allow for needed changes but not a bunch of frivolous seesaw.
I have been to lots of tournaments and even a lot of the top players in the world don't know all the rules.
They know the rules they gamble by , but the tournament director changed some of those ????
Read my reasoning above about why it should be a foul. Same as marking your shot with the cue and letting go of it on the table. I mean chalk or no chalk, it's some type of measuring device. What if he grabbed a ball out of the pocket and used that to line up a ghost ball to aim before moving it and shooting? Seems similar to me.
I have seen a few people chalk up the cue, then put the tip by the contact point and rub the tip back and forth like they are lining up the aiming line. And .. oops.. look I left a chalk line on the table showing me where to hit. I don't think I'll yell foul at them the first time they did stuff like this though, they may not know its a foul, although chances are they may just do it because others don't know you can't. I'd just say "you can't do that" and make them stop instead of calling a foul first time they did it.
Old Nine Baller
Banned
I'm not up on all the technical rules of all the organizations BUT, if that guy did that while playing me (for money) or did anything else, including using sonar, radar, the Hubble Telescope, sextants, compasses, rulers, straight-edges, laser aiming aids, tape measures or any method he feels will help him...then I really don't care. Anybody who does those things can't play anyway.
ONB
And there are the people that read a rule, twist the words around, and get it completely wrong.
In BCA it might be a foul. In APA it is not......
"9.MARKINGTHETABLE Marking refers to a physical alteration in the appearance of the cloth on a pool table. No one is allowed to mark the cloth. For example, using chalk to draw a line, or wetting your
finert or dampen the cloth, is not allowed. It is permissible to set a piece of chalk on the hard surface of the rail."
I've done this when coaching 2's and 3's. 4's and up usually don't need it.
That being said, as long as the chalk was removed before the shot was attempted, there is no foul.
takeitdown
Banned
Rules say you can use chalk on rail as aiming locator..that in itself is unethical to me.
Nothing can be placed on the field however. No chalk marks. No using a pocketed ball to judge the distance of a ball off the rail. No laying a stick on table to look at a nukes unless you are touching the stick.
Really? In which rules? I have never heard that you can leave chalk around the rail to mark a hit point. Of course if you just happen to place it there normally, by accident of course, you know, wink wink, no-one will possibly know. Unless you squint a bit and line it up to the ball before placing it
takeitdown
Banned
Really? In which rules? I have never heard that you can leave chalk around the rail to mark a hit point. Of course if you just happen to place it there normally, by accident of course, you know, wink wink, no-one will possibly know. Unless you squint a bit and line it up to the ball before placing it
And that's why they specifically say you may do so, because it's unenforceable. To me it's a sign of a banger and I just raise the bet immediately.
I actually had someone call me on this, and I laughed at him. And continued shooting. He argued with me after the match, nothing mean, but like he was doing me a favor explain the rules and that if playing a tourney or other league you might get called. I laughed at him again and left.
You are allowed to use your cue to aim and/or measure. If you intentially turned the tip to the table, and spun it to create a mark, you might have a point... but otherwise, this is NEVER a foul.
Really? In which rules? I have never heard that you can leave chalk around the rail to mark a hit point. Of course if you just happen to place it there normally, by accident of course, you know, wink wink, no-one will possibly know. Unless you squint a bit and line it up to the ball before placing it
Read my previous post. It is out of APA rulebook.
Foul
I am glade I only play pool to enjoy it..........................................................................
Pool isn't near that important to me if I have to start calling every little infraction.
I am glade I only play pool to enjoy it..........................................................................
Pool isn't near that important to me if I have to start calling every little infraction.
Ah, the thing with the APA rulebook is that it's not the "real" pool rules. I test the rules I try to use pretty simply "if I was in a tournament where pros are playing and they have referees, is this a rule they would use there?".
League rules may as well be bar type rules just widely used and written down. The only league rules I have seen that match what the pros would play by is the BCAPL/USAPL leagues.
I will play anyone who uses chalk as a visual aid for money, body organs, car slips and houses. and if I were in a league or tournament who allowes these behavior or people I will never play there again. just saying, and if its a foul or not it doesn't matter, you should have made fun of him until he stormed out crying. :thumbup:
Given what you have said above, just which rules should be enforced and which rules should be ignored? We may be able to get the rule book down to just a couple of pages if people can agree on what rules are necessary to enforce. If we don't enforce the rules then we don't need those rules.
In my experience there's a negative relationship between familiarity with a rule and seeing that rule as a technicality.
I remember playing a new league player who didn't know that you had to hit a rail after contact, and couldn't believe anyone would call a foul on such a technicality.