"Ivory Ban" foolishness
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A good friend of mine and a well known regional player and also known nation wide for something else got killed in Africa in the 90'same for poaching ivory.
No it dosnt however it does save lives by limiting access .. Iv been in more than one place where some drunk or high person was trying to buy a gun and could not because he had to have a nix check first the ignorant people think he could run out and find one on the street hardly the case even if it took hours instead of days or weeks many of them who were acting on impulse would rethink their actions you would have to be a fool to think that doesn't save lives
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No disrespect but it takes about 5 minutes in bmore. You know that's true bro.
I was not talking those who want to go hunting . I was talking any street corner Inot the hood.
Btw, if you're a good guy in MD they make you jump thru hoops! Not kidding.
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Yes sir you are correct, just like many other things. Yeah this or that would be great, but unfortunately that is not where we live. Must be nice...........
True but True
Maybe, but it will save lives. Sane people make bad decisions in the heat of the moment, if you deny that, you are not realistic. Nobody needs a gun right now, unless they have bad intentions or are afraid of someone else with a gun.
Maybe, but it will save lives. Sane people make bad decisions in the heat of the moment, if you deny that, you are not realistic. Nobody needs a gun right now, unless they have bad intentions or are afraid of someone else with a gun.
At this point I fear the thread is in danger of being moved to NPR.
Ivory and pool cues seems to be the topic. And I think it's a good one.
Unless we want to talk about General Patton's ivory-handled revolvers I think we are straying a bit too far.
People read this crap
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Nick
There should be a law.
Be cereal
Nick
There should be a law.
I fail to grasp the logic of how making it illegal to sell something legal purchased (in the United States) as well as antiquities containing ivory will reduce poaching.
There is no way to tell legal ivory from illegal ivory. None. It looks the same, cuts the same, carves the same, etc. If tusks had to stay whole and could never be cut or modified in any way then you might be able to keep track of those tusks pretty well but that isn't what happens to ivory at all. What happens is that ivory is cut up into pieces and sold by weight, sometimes being sold several times over along the way often further being cut or modified each time with some waste being involved all along the way. When it gets to the "end user" it is further cut up into even smaller pieces, often very tiny pieces, or it is carved, causing an extremely high percentage of waste (and even the "end user" ends up selling scraps sometimes). The cutting of ivory and the large percentage of waste all along the process makes it absolutely impossible to track ivory or account for where it went. It is very easy to get illegal ivory into the market and impossible to prevent and truth be told they aren't even able to make it much of a hassle much less prevent it.
I think it was just day before yesterday I heard on national geographic I think it was that an average of 96 elephants are being poached and killed per day for their ivory. As long as there is a legal market for ivory this will continue because it is so easy to put that illegal ivory right into the market mixed in with the legal ivory and no way to ever be able to tell the difference.
I don't agree with you but I'm not trying to win an argument.
This issue has been inflamed by people ignoring facts and going over the edge of what is rational. The most extreme example is making Mastodon ivory illegal. A close second is lobbying to destroy any and all ivory artifacts owned by museums.
I don't a dog in this fight. (The total amount of ivory across my entire collection total an ivory joint a probably 5 ferrules.) I just find it unbelievable that yesterday something that was legal to purchase and own is today declared illegal.
No one is advocating poaching or killing elephants purely for their tusks but making something that was legal, illegal to trade, when it has been illegal to import ivory since 1989, is not going to do one thing to reduce poaching.
If you don't think illegal ivory and lots of it makes its way into the US market (yes after 1989) and every other market you are incredibly naive and dead wrong. As long as there is a legal ivory market elephants will continue to be poached and killed, their numbers will continue to go down, and they will go extinct in the wild--period.
Trust me, I hate this fact as much or more than you do or the next guy but that doesn't change the facts. Our choices are to enjoy legal ivory and not be able to enjoy elephants because they became extinct, or enjoy having wild elephants and do not get to enjoy owning any new ivory.
The decision for me is easy. And I'm no bleeding heart with an agenda. I like ivory, have owned plenty of ivory, still have at least one cue with tons of ivory, and I am a hunter. It still doesn't change the facts and the decision we face. Elephants, or ivory, but we aren't going to have both. If there is a legal ivory market every last wild elephant on earth will be killed to funnel their ivory into the legal supply chain which is easy to do and impossible to prevent.
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Yes, my personal thought, nobody needs a gun right now. If you fear for your life, contact law enforcement. If you can't wait three days to hunt or target practice you need to schedule better or get mental help!
Yes, my personal thought, nobody needs a gun right now. If you fear for your life, contact law enforcement. If you can't wait three days to hunt or target practice you need to schedule better or get mental help!
Tell that to battered wives or stalked women.
The police has no legal duty to protect you.
That was the ruling when cops were sued after the LA riots.
They have to duty to protect the community and they can use that argument in not protecting individuals.
Some people need a gun immediately if threatened or have stalkers .
In Nazifornia, you have to wait two weeks. You might be dead by then.
There needs to be a national database that can be contacted and have clearance within minutes unless one has a very common name .
Every single police officer swears an oath to uphold the law........if someone is being assaulted, attacked, or threatened, the police officer
has a legal and moral obligation to see that the threat, assault or attack is curtailed. contained and eliminated. In situations like civil riots
the police must employ sole discretion as to what actions are taken, or not taken, as long as their actions, or lack of any, are totally legal &
remain in the overall best interest of the general pubic or community they serve.
has a legal and moral obligation to see that the threat, assault or attack is curtailed. contained and eliminated. In situations like civil riots
the police must employ sole discretion as to what actions are taken, or not taken, as long as their actions, or lack of any, are totally legal &
remain in the overall best interest of the general pubic or community they serve.
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Well OK then. I guess I'll schedule my psych session later today...OOPS THATS RIGHT!.. It's "INDEPENDENCE DAY"!!... Whoooo Hooooo!!!!! I have some freedoms still allowed me for at least one more day!!! Soooooo...I'd first better be thankful for, AND ENJOY, those freedoms allowed me, AND YOU, put forth by our founding fathers who escaped from the tyranny that led to the greatest nation on Earth allowing EVERYONE to bare arms for protection for the same reasons from anyone who wish to take those freedoms away...If you dont get THAT, well then maybe YOU need more than three days to contemplate...
Happy 4th Tom!