Ivory Ferrule - Pro's/Con's
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It's more expensive. Not as durable as other ferrules.
Ivory
This is one of those subjective questions, so, I will give you a subjective answer.
Ivory hits very solid. You can tell a difference when you hit two identical shafts back to back, one ivory and one shaft not. This is hard to grasp until you have the chance to do just this.
My Omen player has ivory ferrules and my Omen J/B has a melamine ferrule. I can swap out shafts and butts to try each combination out as many times as I want.
What I have concluded is that the ivory ferruled shafts hit a little more solid with slightly less feedback and the Melamine ferrule hits just a tad softer with a little more feedback. Both materials play great, just different.
One flaw that ivory has is that it can/does crack from time to time and you do not want to use it on a break cue shaft. On a positive, the ivory ferrules seem like they stay cleaner than does the melamine.
Your tip selection can also have a hudge impact on how ivory ferrules feel as well. My player shafts have LaPro(2) and Kamui(2) tips. The J/B has a Triangle tip. The feel is again changed between the LaPro's and Kamui's even though both of these shafts have ivory ferrules.
This is one of those subjective questions, so, I will give you a subjective answer.
Ivory hits very solid. You can tell a difference when you hit two identical shafts back to back, one ivory and one shaft not. This is hard to grasp until you have the chance to do just this.
My Omen player has ivory ferrules and my Omen J/B has a melamine ferrule. I can swap out shafts and butts to try each combination out as many times as I want.
What I have concluded is that the ivory ferruled shafts hit a little more solid with slightly less feedback and the Melamine ferrule hits just a tad softer with a little more feedback. Both materials play great, just different.
One flaw that ivory has is that it can/does crack from time to time and you do not want to use it on a break cue shaft. On a positive, the ivory ferrules seem like they stay cleaner than does the melamine.
Your tip selection can also have a hudge impact on how ivory ferrules feel as well. My player shafts have LaPro(2) and Kamui(2) tips. The J/B has a Triangle tip. The feel is again changed between the LaPro's and Kamui's even though both of these shafts have ivory ferrules.
It also weighs more than most man-made materials. That means more weight at the end of your shaft.
would that tend towards more deflection/squirt ??
all else in the shaft being equal??
I put a tip on a cue and as I skimmed off the ferrule I realized that it cut like ivory. I got out my magnifying glass and I could see the veins.
I replaced the pad and put on a hard leather tip as requested.
This was a cue that was 20 years old and this guy has been breaking with it for the last 10 years.
go figure.....
Kim
I replaced the pad and put on a hard leather tip as requested.
This was a cue that was 20 years old and this guy has been breaking with it for the last 10 years.
go figure.....
Kim
i think you are wrong
regarding end mass and squirt
from dr. dave
http://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2008/feb08.pdf
Diagram 4 shows the results of a classic experiment to show how end-mass affects a cue’s squirt. In the experiment, a mass is added to the cue at different positions. When the mass is close to the tip, the effect on the squirt is the largest; and when the added mass is more than a certain distance from the tip, the added mass has no effect on the amount of squirt.
The toughness of ivory is so misunderstood. Does it crack, yes, rarely caused by impact. Mostly temperature changes. That is why there are cues well over 100 years old that have good ivory joints and ferrules that are original to the cue.
Might have more to do with the experience of the person using the material than anything else.
Also cost prohibitve. Ivory going up...
JV
Might have more to do with the experience of the person using the material than anything else.
Also cost prohibitve. Ivory going up...
JV
I have an ivory ferrule on my cue and break with it all the time.No problems in the last 3 years I have had it.
I agree that an ivory ferrule hits a little harder than most(?)
I agree that an ivory ferrule hits a little harder than most(?)
Maybe i am, but i know if i was going to do a Squirt test, i would start with a reasonably low squirt shaft to begin with, not one of the highest
I about fell out of my chair laughing, when i saw they were using meucci shafts for testing
Here's an experiment for ya, take 2 identical meucci shafts, hack the 1-1/4" sponge they call a ferrule off, replace it with a ivory ferrule, and tell us the results. I bet it cuts the deflection almost in half. If you could add some meat back to the 20" super pro taper, it would help even more:grin:
cost
cost/ durability is the big dis-advantage ivory, water buffalo, dear, elk
and other bone is touchy if you are not careful making the ferrule
but i like ivory and water buffalo ferrules.
water buffalo horn ferrule in pic
mike
cost/ durability is the big dis-advantage ivory, water buffalo, dear, elk
and other bone is touchy if you are not careful making the ferrule
but i like ivory and water buffalo ferrules.
water buffalo horn ferrule in pic
mike
its tough
Withought getting into much of a debate over seasoned - vs - unseasoned......Ever seen two bull elephants fight?
If not, youtube a video and ask yourself again.....Just how tough/durable is ivory.
Withought getting into much of a debate over seasoned - vs - unseasoned......Ever seen two bull elephants fight?
If not, youtube a video and ask yourself again.....Just how tough/durable is ivory.
Not sure what you are saying here. But deflection tends to go up as the end mass of the shaft increases, so if you use a heavier material for the ferrule it will tend to increase deflection - all else being equal.
nice post:thumbup:
(only because you agreed with me:embarrassed2::embarrassed2::smile
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I am going to change the ferrule on my cue at the next tip change.
I have a choice-ivory or ivorine 4.
So if I have read the posts above correctly is that real ivory will deflect more then Ivorine 4.Cost is not important.And I am not very sensitive to hit.
I have a choice-ivory or ivorine 4.
So if I have read the posts above correctly is that real ivory will deflect more then Ivorine 4.Cost is not important.And I am not very sensitive to hit.
i have had several cues with ivory ferrules
usually i really like them
i never had one break
when i used one on the schon,i thought i got a softer feel or hit
and at the same time i could put more english on the ball
my friend bob owen tells me that no one can tell the difference
one thing i really like is they are easy to keep clean and looking nice
i like to buy ivory ferrules on my cues,but at the same time i am currently playing a cue with lbm
go figure
usually i really like them
i never had one break
when i used one on the schon,i thought i got a softer feel or hit
and at the same time i could put more english on the ball
my friend bob owen tells me that no one can tell the difference
one thing i really like is they are easy to keep clean and looking nice
i like to buy ivory ferrules on my cues,but at the same time i am currently playing a cue with lbm
go figure
I just weighed a solid ivory ferrule blank, and a solid tiger sabertooth ferrule blank. The ivory blank was lighter. The difference in squirt between the 2 ferrules, that are of similar hardness's is not even noticable (to a human anyhow), the feel, and feedback is. The majority of a shafts squirt, comes from the shaft wood itself, not the ferrule, or tip. I would'nt put to much weight in a "scientific study" that was sponsored by someone they won't name (probably Bob meucci himself).
You should try 1/2" uncapped ivory ferrules. You will get the hit of ivory, but with less deflection.