Jannette Lee - DCC results

[Williebetmore]

Gman,
You are correct. She tries....more than Ken does. Perhaps Ken will dig up some more dirt for us....like when Jeanette cut class in grade school...or when she got mad at her parents and yelled at them....

I don't think Ken has a clue what she deals with on a day to day basis - I could never handle most of the crap that comes her way with anywhere near as much grace as she does. Having said that, she is not perfect ( she's the first 1 to admit that). No one is here....except Ken of course - he will be happy to judge you based on whatever little he knows about you. Fortunately for me ( and hopefully you as well), I really couldn't care less what Ken thinks. Most fans know better, some don't. Everyone is entitled to their own preferences.

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[supergreenman]

Yep, keep thinking that.

Thank you I will.

 

[Ken_4fun]

Gman,
You are correct. She tries....more than Ken does. Perhaps Ken will dig up some more dirt for us....like when Jeanette cut class in grade school...or when she got mad at her parents and yelled at them....

I don't think Ken has a clue what she deals with on a day to day basis - I could never handle most of the crap that comes her way with anywhere near as much grace as she does. Having said that, she is not perfect ( she's the first 1 to admit that). No one is here....except Ken of course - he will be happy to judge you based on whatever little he knows about you. Fortunately for me ( and hopefully you as well), I really couldn't care less what Ken thinks. Most fans know better, some don't. Everyone is entitled to their own preferences.

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Don -

I know I would have never pulled that calcutta move. I have met you, and I know YOU would have never pulled that move either.

Im not judging, but I dont forget either.

Ken

 

[watchez]

Watchez,
Actually I was not offended by your post, and I only mentioned you because I really wasn't planning on a lot of posts (thought I could get by with just one).

You actually made a couple of points; and by saying you would prohibit any interruption by her posse you seemed to me to be critical of them (chiding or castigating them in my view).

I actually am quite critical of certain of her friends/acquaintances. Several of them believe that it is quite acceptable to talk in a normal tone of voice during matches - I am NOT one of them, and try to avoid it as much as possible.

In her defense, she does have a large family, an extremely busy career, and an enormous number of people vying for her time by phone and in person (ESPECIALLY at DCC - she CANNOT just walk to the snack bar to get a coffee - it would take her an hour to get there and back - she respects her fans, and will try her best to acknowledge them and interact with them). It is doubtful that she will ever be able to play you with your conditions - her world would fall apart, and we would have to read the posts of all those who say JL is ignoring her family, fans, and business to play pool. Often the only way that she can play in a tournament or match is if she can conduct some business while she plays. She supports an enormous number of people - they depend on her.

I was not aware that you wanted to match up with her; but if you will make it worth her while to ignore her personal and business opportunities; I assume you could make it happen. Good luck, and I hope I am permitted to see it.

P.S. - You will not succeed in obtaining bathroom break stipulations. The periodic and frequent attacks of agonizing pain (that occur regularly on top of the usual severe pain) are not predictable. She plays as best she can; frequent halts in play are necessary. She will often sit and talk during those times - sorry that it bothers you so much. You have a lot of conditions to play.

P.P.S. - I do NOT believe she does those things to shark her opponent (as most readers will believe you are implying by your post). I do believe many opponents are uncomfortable with playing her at all and will look for any excuse to rationalize their relatively poor performance (most players play WELL below their top speed against her - it is the Black Widow Effect).

P.P.P.S. - Oops, I forgot to mention that the high heels do not bother her back at all; and often give her a bit more reach - it is quite difficult for her to stretch for shots. Shots that you or I would find routine, she finds exquisitely painful or even impossible.

Since we are all making lists--

Anyone that thinks sharking is acceptable is a fool. Make a game, put your money up and win it ON the table. When I was younger I had a different view but I quickly learned. Billy Incardona won't remember this but he once called me the best third base coach ever. Anyone that wants to shark now, I guarantee the result sharking will be far worse. Now I will admit that I spent $150 on T Shirts when Justin played Morra that touted the match and had $20,000 in big letters on them. I handed them out for free to anyone that was watching it live. I wanted Morra, who had never played for $1,000 before to never lose sight of what he was playing for. But once the balls were broken, I never said a word except when the mighty Scooter came over and tried to shark Justin. I quickly put an end to that.

Don - I truly respect you but you are seeing what goes on as a dear friend to Jeanette. You either didn't watch the stream the night before you got there or haven't truly watched her in other action as well. The night before, she was playing Kevin at 2:30AM (maybe even later). Does she have business obligations at 2:30AM? Maybe she is on the phone with Tokyo or Roy in Norway setting up an exhibition match but I doubt it.

Let's just compare the two nights but there are countless examples -- the first night against Kevin, she was in a tough game - one that has been posted that she lost at in St Louis. There was not one game that went by that there wasn't a posse discussion, cell phone call or bathroom break. Kevin just sat there and didn't say a word. Kevin is someone that everyone should want to gamble with. The next night - against the gentleman with the shaved head - she steam rolls him 9-5, 9-5. I don't witness one interruption. One need for a conversation. One cell phone call. And this was more during 'business hours'. Conclusion - tough games = interruptions. Easy games = get the money and run.

And to be blunt, if I was gambling, I really don't care what the other person's obligations are or what they have on their plate in life. Jeanette has put a lot of effort into getting famous and she should be commended for it. She is great for promoting pool. But if my opponent was playing so he could simply eat tomorrow, I am not worried about that the same I am not worried if Jeanette's babysitter knows where the kids favorite toy is or if her business meeting is still scheduled for tomorrow.

I respect Strong Arm John - he is a true gambler. And he plays in many tough games - I have probably seen him play and lose more than I have seen him play than win. But I also known John from years ago when he ran around with Reid Pierece. From then until now, there have always been posse interuptions in matches. Many time when they are leaning over and talking in each other ears, they aren't really saying anything at all. And none of this I wouldn't say straight to John. I think he would probably laugh.

I guess Jeanette lost it for me when she was in St Louis a few years ago and was gambling. I was 'in' with her opponent. They had a stipulation that Jeanette got the breaks but she had a govenor that she could only run 2 (or maybe 3) racks in a row before she would have to break and then play safe. Well at one time, she ran out, ran out, made the money ball on the break twice, and then ran out again. Clearly 5 in a row. I tried to tell her opponent but he didn't want to listen. When I politely asked Jeanette after the match, she played dumb like she didn't understand. Jeanette is VERY smart. When she finally 'understood' her response was simply that she let's John handle all of that and she just played. Then she turned her back on me. To me, it is like a player playing one pocket that owes a ball and conveniently forgets to spot it up later in the game. Just because his opponent doesn't notice, doesn't make it right. Again, win the game on the table.

Lastly, Jeanette is not the root of all evil.. Compared to most pool players she is a saint and should be adored. But if she wants to come gamble, then gamble.

By the way Don, I still owe you a poster and a dinner.

 

[Williebetmore]

Since we are all making lists--

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Watchman,
Thanks for the response, I see where you are coming from. I would not dispute anything in your post except the phone issue (she DOES have many obligations to her kids, to family that she supports, and to her business at those hours - late at night is very often when the next day is planned - it is a fluid environment). Nothing would please her more than to not have to deal with it 24 hours a day. It would be hard to imagine a distraction free match involving her; I do NOT believe either she or myself intends to do it on purpose - can't speak for anyone else (and if they do it I can assure you it is not at her direction - many times I have seen her furious with her "posse" for making noise - it often bothers her).

As far as honor goes, I have seen her call a foul on herself to lose a big match (it was late night DCC, big money, no one saw it but her; VERY tough opponent, very nasty opponent). While she is very smart, she also exists in the most chaotic environment imaginable (no...let me amend that...no one could really believe how chaotic it is) and is EASILY distracted. I hope she wasn't pulling a move on you, but in the heat of battle you never know (and you were there, not me). I can tell you I've never seen her do anything even remotely like that on purpose (but have seen her lose track many times of her situation).

Anyway, I do look forward to another meal sometime in St. Louis. I am not her employee...just a friend (and I know that you have some friends that are not perfect either - if we were all perfect it would be totally boring).

 

[tommyceilings]

You're acting pretty transparent Williebetmore.

If you are the "suit man" then you are, the stream didn't show everything as clearly as I would have liked, but hey nit pick me on what a suit is because I couldn't see you had on jeans. As opposed to how many other people were wearing sport coats who were not pit bosses.

When someone praises Jeanette, you are on the bandwagon, if anyone says anything negative, true or not, they are what did you say "idiots" and have no clue what she has to go through.

I know people with cerebral palsy, people with one arm, and people in wheel chairs, who don't complain, nor do people come on and make excuses for them.

As far as her being so nice to people when they met her, what would she do spit on them? Earl doesn't even do that, it's not a socialistic norm.

There have been issues posted about her before and her either Diva attitude or questionable issues with pool and her group, and your answer is they know not of what they speak. I know, I'm with her all the time, I hold her cue, I wait outside the bathroom for her, and walk her around. Just one thing I wondered, most people that are around for others safety can handle themselves,

Honestly I think you have a major hanger-on type issue, with being around someone you deem as famous.

You hurt your position when all you can see is good and can't admit that practices or issues which have come up are either valid or at the very least questionable.

Gman,
You are correct. She tries....more than Ken does. Perhaps Ken will dig up some more dirt for us....like when Jeanette cut class in grade school...or when she got mad at her parents and yelled at them....

I don't think Ken has a clue what she deals with on a day to day basis - I could never handle most of the crap that comes her way with anywhere near as much grace as she does. Having said that, she is not perfect ( she's the first 1 to admit that). No one is here....except Ken of course - he will be happy to judge you based on whatever little he knows about you. Fortunately for me ( and hopefully you as well), I really couldn't care less what Ken thinks. Most fans know better, some don't. Everyone is entitled to their own preferences.

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[JoeyA]

TC,
I am going to break with my tradition of trying to avoid jumping to conclusions about forum members just because of a post that perhaps was poorly judged. But since you insist on judging me based on your view of a computer stream, I will now attempt to judge you by your internet post.

#1 You are a moron (no...wait...no personal attacks on the forum....I will correct it....You APPEAR to be a moron...). A suit is a matching set of pants and coat. Usually worn with a shirt and tie. Perhaps your vision is as poor as your sartorial knowledge - I was wearing JEANS, SWEATER, and a deconstructed casual SPORTCOAT (It has many pockets which are QUITE USEFUL at DCC where the action is far from the hotel).

#2 I was INVITED to attend the match to HELP HER OUT. You seem to have very little idea of how frequent and often scary her interactions with the very fine caliber of "pool fan" can be. She ABSOLUTELY needs someone to escort her to the rest rooms, ESPECIALLY late at night with the inebriated, very refined patrons accosting her nearly constantly when she leaves the table. When it is requested I follow her EVERYWHERE - it is the "job."

#3 Besides Watchez, I have never had an opponent of JL's castigate me for my behavior; I will run any errand that the opponent would request as well as I would for her - it is the sportsmanlike thing to do. I have become good friends with many of her opponents after a match. I have been invited to the homes of several opponents.

#4 Yes, I carry her cue often. She has had EIGHT MAJOR BACK SURGERIES AND HAS CONSTANT PAIN - she CANNOT carry her case very far without significant worsening of the pain (Watchez, you will need to carry it for her the next time if she is not allowed to have help - also, I believe that over the time I have travelled with her, the behavior of the OPPONENT's POSSE is usually far worse).

#5 The only thing I can say complimentary about your post is that you have a very vivid imagination.

Signed,
"The suit guy"

P.S. - besides being one of my best friends and part of my family; JL is also my mentor and my very favorite pool player to watch. She has more class in her small finger than you have in your entire body if your very snide post is any indication.

I like a guy who stands up for their friends, ESPECIALLY when they are unfairly maligned..

Jeanette is lucky to have a friend like you.

 

[watchez]

tommy - if you read Don's reply to me he states ' see where you are coming from. I would not dispute anything in your post except the phone issue '. And yes Don will stand up for his friend as there are assumptions made by me on what is going on and maybe the next time Jeanette plays, I will sit right next to Don and see what all the posse talk is about and ask to see her cell phone to see if it was Warren Buffet calling about a business meeting. j/k about Warren Buffet Don.

JoeyA - your response here is the complete opposite you posted on Oscar's facebook page. I am confused.

 

[1on1pooltournys]

I can say I know Jeanette well, and she is a very generous and honest person. Betmore is also a very generous and honest person. See the coincidence? I'm happy to call them both friends.

 

[JoeyA]

tommy - if you read Don's reply to me he states ' see where you are coming from. I would not dispute anything in your post except the phone issue '. And yes Don will stand up for his friend as there are assumptions made by me on what is going on and maybe the next time Jeanette plays, I will sit right next to Don and see what all the posse talk is about and ask to see her cell phone to see if it was Warren Buffet calling about a business meeting. j/k about Warren Buffet Don.

JoeyA - your response here is the complete opposite you posted on Oscar's facebook page. I am confused.

I guess I have to bite. I don't have to, but I will, just this once.

I stand by my comment on FB that sharking sucks.

I also stand by my comment that I like a person who stands up for their friends.

 

[watchez]

I can say I know Jeanette well, and she is a very generous and honest person. Betmore is also a very generous and honest person. See the coincidence? I'm happy to call them both friends.

Ut oh - you didn't mention me. Wait til I tell Timid Terry, he won't be happy.

 

[watchez]

I guess I have to bite. I don't have to, but I will, just this once.

I stand by my comment on FB that sharking sucks.

I also stand by my comment that I like a person who stands up for their friends.

Nevermind Joey. You are right.

 

[Williebetmore]

Though I could not understand much of your post; I can respond to what I did understand:


When someone praises Jeanette, you are on the bandwagon, if anyone says anything negative, true or not, they are what did you say "idiots" and have no clue what she has to go through.

No, actually it was "appears to be a moron." If the shoe fits....



There have been issues posted about her before and her either Diva attitude or questionable issues with pool and her group, and your answer is they know not of what they speak. I know, I'm with her all the time, I hold her cue, I wait outside the bathroom for her, and walk her around. Just one thing I wondered, most people that are around for others safety can handle themselves,

Honestly I think you have a major hanger-on type issue, with being around someone you deem as famous.

You have a juvenile viewpoint - perhaps you are over-analyzing someone you have not even met. I have many issues, but "hanging-on" is not one of them. I WILL however defend a friend if criticized in what I deem an unfair manner. It is hard to see how walking someone to the restroom is something to brag about (I have other accomplishments besides); perhaps you are mistaken in your evaluation of my tone and motives.

The forum can only pray that you use your seemingly vast knowledge of person's motives and problems for solving world hunger and achieving world peace.

You hurt your position when all you can see is good and can't admit that practices or issues which have come up are either valid or at the very least questionable.

Dude, check yourself. I am not here to convince anyone of anything, just sharing my opinion and viewpoint. I will comment on whatever I choose to. I do not have any friends or family that are perfect - and to me the forum is a damn poor place to cast aspersions - especially about people you do not know (though I am making an exception in your case).

As I mentioned above, ALL of these threads end the same - people believe that they want to believe - and you will too. Fortunately for me, I care what Watchez thinks, I care what 1on1pooltournys thinks, I care what supergreenman thinks, I care what JoeyA thinks (they are friends that I respect, and they are reasonable people) - I do not care what you think...it is my privilege.

 

[plhlolelnlilx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcatQSyRK6c

What?.........

 

[jay helfert]

Jeanette Lee - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly!
Just kidding folks, I just wanted to get your attention.

First of all, I will agree that JL is Triple Smart! She has found a way to make more money than any world champion pool player. And she did it with savvy, grit and determination. For that fact alone I give her accolades. I watched her progress from a street wise New York girl, trained by the great Gene Nagy, to a world class player and the most recognizable figure in the game. The fact that with all her success and her many commitments both private and public, she still finds time to get into some serious action speaks volumes to me.

She has been a semi regular at DCC for many years and never shies away from the action room. I know for a fact she doesn't need the money or the publicity, which could be questionable for someone in her position. For going out on a limb like that I give her credit once again. I want to inject here that JL is not a particularly close friend of mine, just another pool player who I happen to know and like. We've had our differences of opinion over the years, but nothing that couldn't be forgotten quite easily. That can happen with people you associate with over a long period of time.

Last year she pretty much set Derby City on it's head with all her high stakes gambling night after night. She was the first (and I dare say the only) woman to ever win the Louie Roberts award for being the most active "action" player. It never seemed to bother her that all eyes were on her while she was mixing it up with some big boys for serious cash. She became one of the boys that week! A gambler's gambler, and she got some new found respect from the pool world's high rollers. Jeanette was in the thick of things from beginning to end, not afraid to take on a tough game and battle tooth and nail with some tough opposition. The fact that she had to stand up for herself (more than once) is a testament to how tough she can be, putting her ass on the line like that. She was in games with some serious opposition, who were also looking for any edge they could get with her. And she did not allow herself to be intimidated or badgered.

Jeanette walks a fine line in the pool world, on the one hand a spokesperson for the game and on the other hand a player who has a passion for getting it on with some cash on the line. Imo that makes her a real player, not just a tournament pro. I also witnessed her last year doing her public thing downstairs, playing pool with everyone young and old who wanted a game with her, and having fun while doing it. Then late at night she would change roles and become the pool player she truly is, a hard core down and dirty nitty gritty gambler. And somehow she remained very much herself, keeping her dignity intact in a room full of hustlers. I'll tell you one thing, she won the respect of all the real pool players and hustlers that week. The statement she made is that "I am one of you!" And we got the message. In this world you better be tough or you'll get eaten alive. I may not always love her, but she's got my respect for damn sure.

 

[Hungarian]

I love threads about how Big Arm and/or Jenette and/or their crew are always looking to steal and won't gamble..... Anyone who thinks that, grab a big sack of money, go follow them around for a month and make every bet they make for the same $. Then tell us how nitty they are.

Strong Arm out bets everyone in this thread fo sho..

Agreed Watchez. There was one guy who was in a suit in her posse and it was funny to watch him on her every whim follow her around and just try to be around her as much as possible.

Was that Leisure Suit Larry? The guy in the White Leisure Suit?

If I ever played Jeanette or was involved in anyone playing Jeanette, I wouldn't mind playing her 6 ahead - but I would limit the amount of conversations she is allowed to have with her posse during and in between games to one 5 minute conversation every 4 games. This would include phone calls with her posse as well. This would also include bathroom breaks as well. She can have a 5 minute conversation OR a 5 minute phone call OR a 5 minute bathroom break every 4 games -- her choice. Anything longer or any other interuption by her posse or towards her posse is loss of game.

I agree 100%. Strong Arm is hard to fade. He's been the same way since I met him and STL Whitey in Houston in the early 1990's. If they start taking breaks and phone calls I just disapear for about an hour and go to the coffee shop and mess around. I will out stall them.

For those interested in the probabilities....If two players in a 6-ahead race are evenly matched, the race is expected to take more than 26 games about half the time. On the other hand, the most likely length of the match is 12 games, but that happens only one time in 18.There is about a 10% chance that the match will take more than 73 games, and a 1% chance that it will take more than 137 games. This last point is why there is usually a pro-rated division clause with a time limit in ahead sets. Personally, I think they're playing for $500 a game.

That's pretty good match skills...

What was the result of her 6 ahead 1 pocket match last night? I was bagged and had to go to bed after the 3rd game. EDIT---- Can't change title but spelled Jeanette's name wrong. My bad

Who cares...:

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

Ut oh - you didn't mention me. Wait til I tell Timid Terry, he won't be happy.

What is the world coming to, ill give you a shout out. As for Timid Terry, he moves like a ghost, under the radar and always knows whats going on.....

 

[watchez]

Thanks Courtney. As usual, I probably should have just shut up as you can't make everyone happy.

BTW - Timid Terry sends his best.

 

[1on1pooltournys]

Jeanette Lee - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly!
Just kidding folks, I just wanted to get your attention.

First of all, I will agree that JL is Triple Smart! She has found a way to make more money than any world champion pool player. And she did it with savvy, grit and determination. For that fact alone I give her accolades. I watched her progress from a street wise New York girl, trained by the great Gene Nagy, to a world class player and the most recognizable figure in the game. The fact that with all her success and her many commitments both private and public, she still finds time to get into some serious action speaks volumes to me.

She has been a semi regular at DCC for many years and never shies away from the action room. I know for a fact she doesn't need the money or the publicity, which could be questionable for someone in her position. For going out on a limb like that I give her credit once again. I want to inject here that JL is not a particularly close friend of mine, just another pool player who I happen to know and like. We've had our differences of opinion over the years, but nothing that couldn't be forgotten quite easily. That can happen with people you associate with over a long period of time.

Last year she pretty much set Derby City on it's head with all her high stakes gambling night after night. She was the first (and I dare say the only) woman to ever win the Louie Roberts award for being the most active "action" player. It never seemed to bother her that all eyes were on her while she was mixing it up with some big boys for serious cash. She became one of the boys that week! A gambler's gambler, and she got some new found respect from the pool world's high rollers. Jeanette was in the thick of things from beginning to end, not afraid to take on a tough game and battle tooth and nail with some tough opposition. The fact that she had to stand up for herself (more than once) is a testament to how tough she can be, putting her ass on the line like that. She was in games with some serious opposition, who were also looking for any edge they could get with her. And she did not allow herself to be intimidated or badgered.

Jeanette walks a fine line in the pool world, on the one hand a spokesperson for the game and on the other hand a player who has a passion for getting it on with some cash on the line. Imo that makes her a real player, not just a tournament pro. I also witnessed her last year doing her public thing downstairs, playing pool with everyone young and old who wanted a game with her, and having fun while doing it. Then late at night she would change roles and become the pool player she truly is, a hard core down and dirty nitty gritty gambler. And somehow she remained very much herself, keeping her dignity intact in a room full of hustlers. I'll tell you one thing, she won the respect of all the real pool players and hustlers that week. The statement she made is that "I am one of you!" And we got the message. In this world you better be tough or you'll get eaten alive. I may not always love her, but she's got my respect for damn sure.

Excellent post...spot on. I think this is a good post to send this thread to the archives.

 

[jay helfert]

Unbelievable logic here --- they are playing $500 a game. Period

If Jeanette wins a game, she wins $500

If Jeanette loses a game, she loses $500

Playing 6 ahead just ensures that someone will win 6 games @ $500 game = $3,000. ANY other logic you have on this is simply flawed. This is not a auto worker finishing 40 games and then thinking they won $100 a game.

If I ever played Jeanette or was involved in anyone playing Jeanette, I wouldn't mind playing her 6 ahead - but I would limit the amount of conversations she is allowed to have with her posse during and in between games to one 5 minute conversation every 4 games. This would include phone calls with her posse as well. This would also include bathroom breaks as well. She can have a 5 minute conversation OR a 5 minute phone call OR a 5 minute bathroom break every 4 games -- her choice. Anything longer or any other interuption by her posse or towards her posse is loss of game.

Finally, someone got it right. They are playing for 500 a game! Only difference is that someone has to lose 3,000 or six games, no quitting early. The reason players freeze up money is so one player doesn't quit the moment they get back to even. It's basically that simple. You're locked in for six games one way or the other.

In other words if you play someone for 500 a game and it takes you ten or twenty games to get six games ahead, does this mean you played for less than 500 a game. NO!