JB Cases has been holding back.

John Baton IMHO is a Pool Cue Case making GENIUS, and is constantly trying to incorporated new designs, style and features in his work.

He and his team are not trapped on one style, or one design with only color, of and accent options on the Pool Cue Case they build.

If you look at the gallery of JB Cases work you will see the latitude no other Pool Cue Case Maker is building at this time.

John is the idea man, and with the help of a "team of craftsman" he turn ideas, and dream into reality. You have an idea for some special features in a Pool Cue Case, John mission is to turn customers ideas in to finish Pool Cue Case.

I am going to miss John's posting on AZB, but I understand why he has decided to hopefully only take a long break for this forum.
 
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Dear Dedy,

Thank you for standing up for me. Please stop as it only makes things worse. Also this isn't about protection. Chris, like others, did not get good service from me. Two things are required for successful business, good service and good product. And actually you can get by with good service and a lousy product. I have a good product and lousy service. People will forgo a good product if they don't feel good about the service. I understand that.


Actually..i'm not standing up for you in this thread.(you need too)...as i said, i just coincidence saw this thread and jump to make a comment. I ask CMD what point he dissapointed to you about.. my intention was he simply answer my question. If he dissapointed about the product, well at least customer can get a knowledge about it. If he don't like about the person, well it's a subjective thing. That was my really intention... about waht made in china and other thing i wrote.. it's just my opinion..as i said...i can see reason why ralf pissed of and i can see reason for you to decide your own..

I'm sorry if i make your position worst... every time i saw a thread that you involved i notice that many other negative member follow and make some stupid comment and attack. I want them to be clear what are you trying to do and what are you trying to said..because i always see a good reason for mostly your post. But i think a couple of them is really an ignorant people. So after a while i ignored them too..because i know i can not change them.
So, my point is i think i have right to post whatever i feel i need to post and make a comment in this forum...as long as not attack somebody and contribute a positive thing..defend a member that attack unfairly and else.

I feel sorry that you decide to stay away from this forum...it's not good for this forum not to have you involved....But i think it's a good thing for you and your family...so, good luck...


Best
Dedy (Indonesia)
 
John... sorry, I mean Dedy,

I was disappointed with John. I paid for two cases in full. He promised delivery dates. He failed to meet each milestone. This was his "FTE" phase on AZ.

My next order will be from another maker because I am on Rusty Melton's list. I would also do myself a disservice if I did not buy a case direct from Jack Justis. It is not different than buying cues from different makers.

The cases protect just fine. However, I do not require excessive protection because I know how to take care of my things. Do you actually think other casemakers intend on harming cues because a lack of protection?


I hope these answers were direct enough for you.


Take care,
Chris (USA)


Well...if you think me as John you really a jerk ass....sir....in other thread you attack servicky and in this thread you attack me and john unfairly...
I think you a little bit know me, because you said "HOW EVERY TIME JB GOT AN "issue" I ALWAYS THERE" but i guess you are just the same with ERIC HU.. Know a little and pretend to know everything.


I can see the reason for your answer...and no i don't think many cuecase maker want to build a case that can harm the cue..but i still think that JB cases protection is the best...

Best
Dedy ( Indonesia )
 
John,

i have no dog in this fight and i am on nobody's side because its not my business.

I also can not say anything about Rex and his way of art.

But let me tell you this about Mark ... we have had a lot of conversations about designs and what I wanted when he where creating his amazing cases for me.
Sure he takes his time but he also sticks to his word ... otherwise he simply will not tell you a date when it will be done.

Just like chris always says ... do what you say and say what you do.

A MAN HAS TO STICK TO HIS WORD ...... if not, he has no honor .... that's what separates the boys from the men IMO

Again ... it is nothing personally against you ... just a general thing.


Berny



A very good post.....

But, i think every person got his own weaknesses..

John weakness is he deliver the product late.. answer the email late. The worst part is he seem to post here mostly. So, other member thought that he don't really busy from his work, he still get the time to post here. That can be right..but that can be wrong too...I am a bussiness man, at the time i really got stress in my work.. i post here or playing pool with my friend. You could mark me as a "Boy" that's okay but i'm still trying to be a "Man"..i believe many person got the same situation as mine.

But, Please don't forget John's positive (strength).. He make a very good product. His design is fresh and many.. His product very inovative and his case is best in protection. And finally he's always stand on his product and his work. He offer Ralf to buy back his case..trying to solve their problem. He offer CMD to buy his case. I know maybe that is not enough for them to change their opinion about John service, but at least he already trying to solve thing and have an action. Not many person will do the same.

So, i think a customer can think like this....If he wanted to order a case from John Barton.

he will got : a good product, a inovative product, best protection.. deliver late, email answer late.

If the customer accept that, he can move on his order to JB..if don't, well that his choice too.

the situation is the same with mine.. i try to order a sugartree from Eric..but i guess i have to prepare my self for a long wait, answer a mail late. But i think it's a worth, because Eric's cue play great..

Best
(Dedy)
 
So my last post here:
First sorry for the bad Worth's NOT MORE MADE IN CHINA :bow-down::bow-down::bow-down: ( I was in rush)
thanks to John for making ME a WONDERFULL Case that protect the Cues very well (the best in the world too).
I'm happy to have the FIRST Case from this Style too as Eric said is all correct:thumbup:
So not more post's about what I have said or what John was doing, much appricated(spelling right:confused:)
I have not only this Case from made in China: 4xGTF( one is a Monster too), Palace Garden and a red Prototype Case.
Ralf:killingme:
 
Well...if you think me as John you really a jerk ass....sir....in other thread you attack servicky and in this thread you attack me and john unfairly...
I think you a little bit know me, because you said "HOW EVERY TIME JB GOT AN "issue" I ALWAYS THERE" but i guess you are just the same with ERIC HU.. Know a little and pretend to know everything.


I can see the reason for your answer...and no i don't think many cuecase maker want to build a case that can harm the cue..but i still think that JB cases protection is the best...

Best
Dedy ( Indonesia )

Listen dedy...

You have no idea what the issue was with Servicky's cue. HE texted a video of a warped shaft.Then he made another video to show the shaft from the top down. You can't see the issue from that vantage point. I know what an issue with a shaft looks like.

I staked my rep (which is a lot more than yours) on that. I offered to pay for the Escrow Service. Do you think I would do that because I am attacking someone? Are you dense?

I also did not attack John Barton. I asked a simple question - where were all of the differneces in the cases. TO ME, they seemed like minor details. Brown leather, colorized flowers, one big pocket and one small pocket. I know they are not copies. Like I also said I could care less. I do not know what arrangements for exclusivity were made between John and Ralf. One thing for sure - Ralf was not very happy. John himself said he should have discussed the other case with Ralf.

How did I attack John? Because I stated facts about our transaction. Do you want to see the e-mails? The PayPal transactions back and forth? What do YOU need? I never once called John a name. NEVER!


Chris
 
the situation is the same with mine.. i try to order a sugartree from Eric..but i guess i have to prepare my self for a long wait, answer a mail late. But i think it's a worth, because Eric's cue play great..

Best
(Dedy)

Wait until you se MY new Sugartree...:cool: It will definitely be a one of a kind!

I can call him for you. Or text him. Just to help you out a little because you have been so kind to me.

How many Sugartrees have you actually played with? His new taper or the old?
 
I'm really sorry to see John go. In my opinion, AZB is a better place with him than without, as is the entire pool community. Hopefully he will be back.
 
This thread started out with the Cowboy calling attention to another beautiful case John made and it then degenerated into bitterness because it was too similar to another unique case he made. IMHO, you have to feel for John here. It's not like he's mass manufacturing these babies for Sterling. There's presently two in the world, and the world is a pretty big place. It's not about to show up at the local pool hall.

I suppose if the original case was commissioned on the understanding that John would never make another case with colorful flowers all over it, then there is a cause for complaint. But that surely would have been a bad deal for John to make unless he got paid lots and lots of extra dollars for exclusivity and we know that was not the case.

I agree with John that something has to change in his business model, and I use myself as an example. I had multiple discussions with him, the chief exec of the business, regarding what I wanted in my plain leather case (pocket size and type, leather, closure, stitching, jump cue storage, etc.), and the case was delivered (on time!) for a price that was very low in relation to value received and also in relation to what other casemakers would have charged. If you deduct from what I paid the cost of materials and labor, I'm quite sure the return to John's personal time invested in the project was quite low. I can only imagine how much lower that return would have been if I had wanted something really complicated with elaborate designs and tooling.

I wish John all the best, as always.

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i hope john will be back, i will miss all his works here in azb.

the work of a true genius and making things life for our cue well protected.

what would happen if john wasnt able to come up with a terrific idea in cue case protection?

hope you'll be back, A LOT OF US HAVENT HAD A CUSTOM CUE CASE FROM YOU.:frown::frown::frown::frown::frown::frown::frown::frown:
 
Listen dedy...

You have no idea what the issue was with Servicky's cue. HE texted a video of a warped shaft.Then he made another video to show the shaft from the top down. You can't see the issue from that vantage point. I know what an issue with a shaft looks like.

I staked my rep (which is a lot more than yours) on that. I offered to pay for the Escrow Service. Do you think I would do that because I am attacking someone? Are you dense?

I also did not attack John Barton. I asked a simple question - where were all of the differneces in the cases. TO ME, they seemed like minor details. Brown leather, colorized flowers, one big pocket and one small pocket. I know they are not copies. Like I also said I could care less. I do not know what arrangements for exclusivity were made between John and Ralf. One thing for sure - Ralf was not very happy. John himself said he should have discussed the other case with Ralf.

How did I attack John? Because I stated facts about our transaction. Do you want to see the e-mails? The PayPal transactions back and forth? What do YOU need? I never once called John a name. NEVER!


Chris


I'm sorry Chris...it's my ignorant... i think you don't have any interest with servicky cue. I'm really sorry.....


i play with a PJ sugartree...it's awesome.player ..i would like Eric build me some pointer if i can meet his price, of course...


Best
Dedy :smile:
 
Wow

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THINK BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING POST FROM JOHN WHEN HE HAS SOMETHING IN THE WORKS OR HAS SOMETHING FINISHED FOR SALE AND GIVES US FOLKS FIRST DIBS ON A CASE AT WHAT I THINK ARE VERY FAIR PRICES. JOHN DO US A FAVOR AND STICK WITH WHAT YOU DO VERY WELL AND THATS OFFER TOP QUAILITY CASES AND VERY FAIR PRICES. HAVING BEEN SELF-EMPLOYED FOR ALMOST 19 YEARS MYSELF I HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING AND THATS THAT YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE TO FIND FAULT. AND ON ANOTHER NOTE WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IN THE POOL INDUSTRY IS THAT DEADLINES ARE HARDLY EVER MEET IF EVERY CUEMAKER QUIT BUILIDING CUES BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDN'T GET THEIR CUE WHEN IT WAS SAID TO BE DONE I REALLY DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE MANY OF THE TOP CUEMAKERS BUILDING CUES AS CUSTOM WORK ISN'T LIKE PRODUCTION WORK. ALSO HOW MANY ONE OF ONE CUES HAVE YOU SEEN THAT ARE ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE ANOTHER CUE. JUST MY 2 CENTS WHICH PROBABLY ISN'T WORTH EVEN THAT......KEEP BUILDING ONE OF THE BEST CASES OFFERED IN TODAYS MARKET JOHN AND RELAX AND ENJOY YOUR SUMMER..........JEFF:thumbup:
 
john is a big part of azb, i think his the only guy who has explain inside and out of his case.

very true john's case is really affordable and i hope you won't stop posting any developments of your superb case in the works.

in business they say " you cannot please everybody "
 
blown out of proportion??

Like many others here mentioned, this is not my fight..and frankly i don't see it as a fight..but it is definitely a discussion/communication blown out of proportion.

I actually feel bad for Ralf cos he might have been taken out of context and i'm sure he regrets writing the bit about not buying stuff made in china no more. I guess he was trying to express his displeasure since he did spend good money on something he assumed would be bespoke and exclusive. It is fair to say an email from John would be in good order and might have avoided this whole fiasco.
That said, i don't think john meant any harm in his actions as we all know he is no copy cat or dishonest business man.

John thrives on inventing new constructions to cases, introduce new ideas and always tries to come up with something new and exciting. I really don't see that going around in the case making industry... Cue making, yes, more new makers come about often and it excites the community, but i rarely see new case makers doing the same. Let's face it, this industry needs people like him who's passionate about his work and doesn't sit on on his laurels...case making NEEDS to be lucrative inorder to lure more innovative and talented guys in so that we can have our good cases..

Now it might sound like advertising or i'm sucking up to him, i'm not. I'm just sharing a fact here. I've been wanting to say something here but i thought it would be best to let the dust settle. John may not be the best business man, most punctual on delivery, most organised person....like most of the complaints i read here (although i would beg to differ from my personal dealings). But if there's one thing i rarely see, people complain about his cases or want a refund. Why is that? Sure there are some post here that suggest his case cause problems, he defends them to the very last albeit not in the most subtle manner. Well that's his character, don't like it, well then don't support this fellow, let him suffer without your business and bring it to someone whom u think deserves it so you feel better too. But personally when i buy something thats defective or have an issue with it, i don't blast out, be presumptuous, shout out to the whole world... i would rather find out the root cause and see what can be done and if the seller is helpful in resolving my problems.
I have not heard a single complain about john's after sales service.

He may be eccentric, he maybe too enthusiastic about his stuff but he also makes good stuff and he stands by them.
I write this because i have dealt with him, am still dealing with him and i seriously don't see a problem. When i do have one, he never shuns.

Now, this is a forum. A constant exchange of words and ideas...some constructive some not...we're all here cos we are all passionate about the same thing...Pool...and we like the stuff it entails...we like our cues, we like nice cases...that is the only reason why so many are religiously stuck to this forum..it is a wonderful platform for enthusiast and learners(like me), so enjoy it.

John mentioned that he is to retire from custom case building UNTIL he sorts out his shop. Fair enough, since some guys here don't like him skiving into the forum when they have orders from him that are delayed. Fair point. I guess it's just too bad that his window of relaxation happens to be his working platform for everybody to see.
It's like a student mugging for an exam at home, he takes a break once in a while to read a book of his choice cos thats how he prefers to relax, but thats still reading and mummy would come in and assume he's lazing..

Anyway i do hope this whole thing could settle, and we can have an enthusiastic member back. Life is short...too short..enjoy it while it last. Don't hold on too things for too long guys...
 
I'm kinda surprised that Ralf was so upset in the first place. When Eric posted pics of the 'Fatboar', Ralf was one of the many who thought 'That cue is a MONSTER!' regardless of whether it was a minor tweak on a pre-existing design.

I guess when he's on the receiving end of it, its a little different?
 
I'm kinda surprised that Ralf was so upset in the first place. When Eric posted pics of the 'Fatboar', Ralf was one of the many who thought 'That cue is a MONSTER!' regardless of whether it was a minor tweak on a pre-existing design.

I guess when he's on the receiving end of it, its a little different?

:scratchhead:
 
I am going to miss John's posting on AZB, but I understand why he has decided to hopefully only take a long break for this forum.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

He didn't say he was taking a long break... he said "Anyway, this is MY LAST POST on AZB." We can only hope he isn't lying again... but I would bet once he see's this post, or another thread about Roy, or whatever, he will be back again. So predictable...
 
John Baton IMHO is a Pool Cue Case making GENIUS, and is constantly trying to incorporated new designs, style and features in his work.

He and his team are not trapped on one style, or one design with only color, of and accent options on the Pool Cue Case they build.

If you look at the gallery of JB Cases work you will see the latitude no other Pool Cue Case Maker is building at this time.

John is the idea man, and with the help of a "team of craftsman" he turn ideas, and dream into reality. You have an idea for some special features in a Pool Cue Case, John mission is to turn customers ideas in to finish Pool Cue Case.

I am going to miss John's posting on AZB, but I understand why he has decided to hopefully only take a long break for this forum.

Good Lord man, John's nuts must be HUGE to have you swinging from them the way you do.
 
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