JB vs Lou - Let's Get It On
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Honestly, Shawn, I can't say I'm massively revved up to play John again for all the reasons you state above.
And I especially feel that after my crew and I all flew out to NJ last time he should come to me if he wants a rematch -- I'm not particularly keen on driving 500 miles and to play on his table. As you alluded: many minuses.
Lou Figueroa
For me, maybe 20 years ago I would have jumped in my car and played.
Today, I just knock them around a few hours a day. And I don't need the aggravation and money. I beat John Barton and won $10,000 of his money after I let him bark at me here for five months straight. I don't need to play under non-negotiable terms.
Lou Figueroa
Chris, John has repeatedly said his term are non-negotiable and my desire to play him again is marginal. I know that is hard for some to believe but if anyone reads my account of the last match they'll understand. That's how i feel about it.
I have said several times I am willing to negotiate a match but all this is getting real old and am reconsidering whether I want to be involved at all.
Lou Figueroa
It might take forever unless one of us comes off the stall.
Then offer a time limit on days with a pro-rated payout for whoever is ahead when the time is up.
I am happy to have more time to prepare but the match WILL NOT HAPPEN anywhere close to any of my shows ever again. The other reason that there is a specific time line on this one is that most our money is tied up in our business and it's rare that I have 20k liquid at any given time. Contrary to popular belief we aren't millionaires yet from cue cases. So, the money not spent on this match will be quickly used for other more productive purposes.
I would agree to a prorate after five days. A week of pool to try and make $20,000 is a pretty good opportunity and not unreasonable. Professional pool players fly around the world to battle for a week to make less.
My PM Box and email are available. There will be no chance of me agreeing to any sort of race.
The funny part is that I had one good chance to actually bust a good chinese player for a boatload of money and all I could get after 3 days was $1800 at $600US a game. The guy shot too straight and never met an 85 degree cut he couldn't make. Plus he was a great snooker player so he could move pretty good once he saw the strategy.
When I say boatload of money I mean he brought a Prada bag FULL of money to play with on day two. I was sick thinking of that bag every time I took a shot.
Thanks Shawn, I certainly raised my eyebrows when I saw your name on the order list. Thanks for choosing us to protect your cues.
This match isn't about CTE vs. anything else. CTE is only a way to aim. It doesn't fix any bad habits.
I don't want to go anywhere to play. I don't want a race this time. I want to insure that I can't run out of runway so to speak. I have been beaten in an ahead set from being on the hill at +5 so I know it's possible even if not probable. But a set is a war of attrition where it gets increasingly statistically impossible to win when one guy gets on the hill and the other person needs many games.
As for the terms. I don't really care about negotiating. It's $20,000. These are my conditions for spending it. Of course if the dates don't work then we possibly could work on that. Everything else not so much. Plus Shawn to be honest I don't want the drama this time around. That's why I want it simple and clear.
If, however, anyone wants to back me then I will accept all negotiated terms they make. I will be wherever they tell me to be and ready to play. Otherwise I have a lot of money to lose and surely the last shot at any sort of "redemption" for my horrid play last time unless I agree to prostrate myself in a short set in St. Louis.
Perhaps but nothing I wrote is out of line in any way.
Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter because it's not a show that I care about charging anyone to watch or even if anyone watches. I got all the taste for theater out of my system the last time. Frankly I think I would prefer it not be streamed so that I don't have to think about the comments.
I don't know anything. I will gladly put up my x-rays to yours to see who can stand up longer. Nothing I offered you is unreasonable. You agreed to play eight hours a day before. That match could have easily gone for a week if I had played you tighter.
Everyone has you pegged as the heavy favorite. I think you're better than me but not enough that you will run over me. In any event you made the first challenge in the anticipation that I wouldn't accept it and you could continue to call me a two-bit-coward forever. I played you for $10,000 agreeing to almost all of your terms as presented and going out of my way to accommodate you even when you were unreasonable.
Anyway, IF you really want to play then you are fully capable of writing an email to me to discuss it. Nothing is ever truly "non-negotiable" but you will need to have a discussion with me in a civil manner if you want me to come off any of these points.
Lou, I can "spam" the group with my ads all day simply by engaging in many conversations and sharing my industry and pool experience. I don't need to attempt to give you a virtual free roll (so thinks the smart money) at $20,000 to do it. Maybe I am bluffing but until you or your backers call me you will never know will you?
Kind of like when I asked you FOUR times on this forum to double the bet last time. Not even one time did you acknowledge the offer when I stipulated that we had to freeze up the whole amount. Then you decided to call and come over the top and ended up playing for a lot less because you waited too long. So it's up to you. If you can't fade it for whatever reason then I understand but that's on you not on me.
You have until this coming Friday to work it out or the offer is off the table for now.
I am not a pro player and I don't need to travel and gamble at a pool game for $20K.
I beat you and that was to prove a point, several actually.
Lou Figueroa
IF we were to play I'd have no problem with three days and pro rate it.
And thanks for the kind words about the 62.
Lou Figueroa
One more thing, John: I beat you.
I won your money. I put up with all your crap about how I would not show; how I would crumble; that you would prove a CTE player would defeat a feel player; your YouTube rant; and the loads of insults you poured on me here for five months.
I don't need to prove anything.
And unlike you, I don't need vindication. Not from trying to get into a fight minutes before the match so I'd have an excuse to bail; not for dogging my brains out on a live stream; not for being a cheater and arranging to get coached during the match; and not for losing. And now you want me to email you to beg for terms.
Kiss my ass, John.
Lou Figueroa
I won your money. I put up with all your crap about how I would not show; how I would crumble; that you would prove a CTE player would defeat a feel player; your YouTube rant; and the loads of insults you poured on me here for five months.
I don't need to prove anything.
And unlike you, I don't need vindication. Not from trying to get into a fight minutes before the match so I'd have an excuse to bail; not for dogging my brains out on a live stream; not for being a cheater and arranging to get coached during the match; and not for losing. And now you want me to email you to beg for terms.
Kiss my ass, John.
Lou Figueroa
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It's funny how everyone forgets that and your underplaying it , there could have easily been over 1000 posts with the same tone , yet anyone who jumps on your side is a hater a villan should be voted off the island lol
It's also not case specific in any thread when someone disputes it , it really ends civil and often leads to the other person bowing out or one of the 2 is banned
Wilson knows this all to well
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You go Lou! Now I really want to play you next time you come to L.A. I like your style. No 10K game for me. We can play 100 a game until someone says uncle. Winner buys dinner! Deal or no deal? I won't even ask you to play Banks if you win. :thumbup:
P.S. I'm a little (a lot) older than you and I won't ask for a spot.
This is it right here. I wonder how long JB "sticks to his word" by being non negotiable. I give it one more week.
So the match is set for November 2025?
Personally, putting myself in your shoes, I wouldn't play if I didn't think I would enjoy it. The money is not enough to disrupt my life over and if I wasn't having fun (what I mostly try to do these days), I wouldn't waste the time. Life is aggravating enough without putting yourself in problematic situations.
What I would like to see is John get a chance to play better to redeem himself and get one more shot at your stakehorse's money. However, I totally understand if you just would prefer to walk away.
Just to point out he has negotiated a concession, so his offer wasn't truly non-negotiable. If you are willing to commit to three 8 hour days and pro rated games, I think you have something to work with.
My take on the last match was you were the more experienced pressure player. All these jokes about chicken wing mean nothing. People play great pool with non-conforming technique and bad pool with great form. The last match largely was determined by nerves, self-control and demeanor at the table. All players have to go through this - learn how to play with the heat. I often play bad just because I am nervous or my head's in the wrong place.
So you have to ask yourself: Would I enjoy a rematch? Do I want to be in that spotlight again? If the answer is yes, you should play. As long as the tables are good, it doesn't matter where. I've found all I need to like is the table. 3 days, 8 hours a day, pro rate on an agreed upon table. Privately negotiate a stake that each can afford to lose, because there are never guarantees in gambling.
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Nonsense. First of all your crew started in on me on the other forum with the high roll challenge of playing for 20k.
Then after I said I would play for 10k you and them called me all sorts of names on there. That ran it's course there and was dropped.
Then you started it over here by calling me "two bit coward" with a link to the thread on one pocket.org
Then, AFTER I reminded you that I never rescinded my offer to play for 10k you ONLY made a challenge on AZB publicly AFTER you got backed to do so.
Then you whined when the thread was sent to NPR arguing that the "trash talk" was good for AZB and good for ratings.
So don't act like the victim here when you and several others actually conspired to bait me and hustle me. I lost but not because you beat me.
You're 100% right, after nine hours you were only 3 games ahead of me and ALL three of those were games I gifted to you not games where I had no chance to win. In fact EVERY game you won was because of unforced errors not because you out moved me.
If I were you I would never play me again for any amount. You're not worried about the trash talking since you did plenty of it. You're flat out scared to lose. Just like every two-bit nit in every pool room around the world. You snapped off one score and you will hold onto it like it's the last drop of water on earth.
And that's fine, if I were in your position I would want to savor the most important victory of my life as well. It's still nitty but I can understand the sentiment.
So, I guess that this means we don't need to talk about it anymore. Thanks for the action the first time around. I enjoyed the whole thing even though I ended up playing horribly. Hope you and Gail have an enjoyable holiday season.
Best,
John
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