Jeff Olney, What a stand up guy. NOT!!!!!!!!!!

the truth of it...

Here is what I think about you. I'm retired. In my previous line of work I frequently encountered people whose problems were always the fault of someone else. That is my opinion of you.

Here are the facts. You said in your original post Olney contacted you on Wednesday October 15 telling you the new cue was ready. What else happened on October 15? You bumped two cues for sale on the wanted/for sale forum totaling $1,000 dollars, just enough to pay for your new cue with this...New Olney is done. So this one needs to go.



I believe if Olney had not sold the cue he would have had it for as long as it took you to come up with the cash. I don't believe all your excuses for not driving a few minutes to pick up the cue. I believe you didn't pick it up because you needed to unload some other cues first.

I'm not bored enough to read the entire thread but I wouldn't be surprised if Brad is your brother and I wouldn't be surprised if he is as rude and inconsiderate as you, which is why Olney banned him. I also wouldn't be surprised if spimp13 and deadstroke are personal friends of yours.

I was born in Iowa - Storm Lake - and lived there - Newell and Knoxville - for a few years. I remember Iowans being far less rude and obnoxious than you and your friends.

The truth of it is that it doesn't matter one iota if any of the above is true. It doesn't matter if you're customers are assholes, you can always refuse to make them a cute in the first place if that's the case.

What the bottom line is, is that Jeff will now suffer as a business owner for a poor business decision that was expedient for him then.

Jaden
 
Excuse me for posting here,but I am looking for Wendy and wondering did anyone see her one of these days ??? She might be somewhere in these posts but can't locate her.
Thanks in advance and looking forward hearing from her!!!
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Excuse me for posting here,but I am looking for Wendy and wondering did anyone see her one of these days ??? She might be somewhere in these posts but can't locate her.
Thanks in advance and looking forward hearing from her!!!
:wink::smile::wink:



She's in there somewhere but you have to find her on your own.

While we're at it...
Kathy: Do not call me
Maryanne: If you're out there call me
Ex-wife: I'm cutting off your T-Mobile today!
Andi: Sorry I haven't called, but you're kind of a *****
 
I know the OP and he has dealt with Jeff for years so he is not just a random un paying customer.

I also wouldn't be surprised if spimp13 and deadstroke are personal friends of yours.

Excellent job Sherlock Holmes! I am glad to see that you didn't read the whole thread and only picked out specific posts to read. This is my last post in this thread as I don't want it to get deleted if it spirals out of control.

Brian got screwed, end of story. I work in HVAC sales and if we sold our equipment to someone else after it's completion because someone hadn't paid within 4-5 days of that completion not only would we possibly get sued but we would be out of business with such a horrible business practice. In the business world (where we rep multiple product lines that cost us thousands of dollars to buy and resell) our terms to the customer are NET 30 days, not NET 4-5 days, 19 minutes lol.

Edited to add yes we are talking about two different types of businesses here with different cash flows/overhead costs etc, but it is the concept I am referring to. I am a firm believer in bending over backwards for my customers in the customer service area.
 
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I'll share this story and hopefully it may help the OP. I own a Construction/Restoration business and got into it with the Owner of one of the Subcontractor Crews earlier this week. Without going into all the detail, objectively, it was 70 to 90% on him. He got very nasty in text messages, cursing, call me names and making really stupid threats. I kept it professional as I thought it may end up in court and the text messages could very well end up as evidence.

To be completely honest, this has bothered and gnawed at me the entire week. I really didn't want my Customer getting caught up in the middle and I have a lot better things to do rather than battle over petty, stupid things and possibly end up lining some attorney's pocket. I sent several texts yesterday simply saying wouldn't it make sense just to finish the work, he gets paid in full and we just forget this petty conflict. Finally, last night, I guess his common sense finally took over. He profusely apologized and agreed we could just work it out. I felt so much relief to have this over with I couldn't believe it.

Yes, I was in the right and on the moral high ground. Yes, I am 100% percent convinced that had this gone to court, I would have prevailed. However, I would have had an unhappy Customer and would have likely spent thousands of dollars in legal fees to gain an emotional win. I feel a great deal of pride that I chose to be the bigger man and resolve this.

I hope this personal experience encourages you to consider something similar. Best of luck in resolving this situation, I empathize with what you've been going through.
 
Here is what I think about you. I'm retired. In my previous line of work I frequently encountered people whose problems were always the fault of someone else. That is my opinion of you.

Here are the facts. You said in your original post Olney contacted you on Wednesday October 15 telling you the new cue was ready. What else happened on October 15? You bumped two cues for sale on the wanted/for sale forum totaling $1,000 dollars, just enough to pay for your new cue with this...New Olney is done. So this one needs to go.



I believe if Olney had not sold the cue he would have had it for as long as it took you to come up with the cash. I don't believe all your excuses for not driving a few minutes to pick up the cue. I believe you didn't pick it up because you needed to unload some other cues first.

I'm not bored enough to read the entire thread but I wouldn't be surprised if Brad is your brother and I wouldn't be surprised if he is as rude and inconsiderate as you, which is why Olney banned him. I also wouldn't be surprised if spimp13 and deadstroke are personal friends of yours.

I was born in Iowa - Storm Lake - and lived there - Newell and Knoxville - for a few years. I remember Iowans being far less rude and obnoxious than you and your friends.


Dude how the F*** do you know how much money he has? That is pure speculation and downright rude. How can somebody with so many posts be so ignorant. You should go away.
 
Dude how the F*** do you know how much money he has? That is pure speculation and downright rude. How can somebody with so many posts be so ignorant. You should go away.

Exactly ^^^^^^^
I sure had enough in my pocket to pay for MY new cue.
I myself am not just some kid wanting a new cue that I couldn't afford. But am a man with a family, with 2 kids and a wonderful wife. And a Job that pays me actual MONEY. and has for a long time.

Maybe, just MAYBE I was selling the other cues to buy something else.
Or, I only have one case, and needed to make room for the new one.
Really Don't matter what I was selling them for. But you detectives should waste time trying to figure it out.

And Keep bumping this thread up for me. Thanks
 
Here is what I think about you. I'm retired. In my previous line of work I frequently encountered people whose problems were always the fault of someone else. That is my opinion of you.

Here are the facts. You said in your original post Olney contacted you on Wednesday October 15 telling you the new cue was ready. What else happened on October 15? You bumped two cues for sale on the wanted/for sale forum totaling $1,000 dollars, just enough to pay for your new cue with this...New Olney is done. So this one needs to go.



I believe if Olney had not sold the cue he would have had it for as long as it took you to come up with the cash. I don't believe all your excuses for not driving a few minutes to pick up the cue. I believe you didn't pick it up because you needed to unload some other cues first.

I'm not bored enough to read the entire thread but I wouldn't be surprised if Brad is your brother and I wouldn't be surprised if he is as rude and inconsiderate as you, which is why Olney banned him. I also wouldn't be surprised if spimp13 and deadstroke are personal friends of yours.

I was born in Iowa - Storm Lake - and lived there - Newell and Knoxville - for a few years. I remember Iowans being far less rude and obnoxious than you and your friends.
This is just beyond absurd. A customer trying to pass the blame for the failures of a business owner?

Are you serious?

When are people like you going to learn that it doesn't matter one bit what the customer says, does or fails to do. The responsibility is on the business owner. Period and without debate.

This whole situation would have never taken place had the business owner done what he was supposed to do....LOOOOONG before the time came to collect payment.

What should have happened, day 1, is that Olney should run his business like a business. You know, with paperwork that protects both the business and the buyer. A simple and clear contract which is signed by the buyer upon placing an order. That details expected time of completion, particulars of the order and Olney's policy and time frame for collecting final payment and process taken for failure to pay.

You know the basic things that come with running a business.

The reason this is done is because of people like Josh Stadola who think cuemakers can do whatever they please with their cues which is BS. That attitude doesn't instill any confidence in your prospective customers.

The buyer wants peace of mind. They want to feel comfortable when making a purchase and they want the expectation set right up front.

All things that fall 100% on the business. Not the customer.

This business failed its customer and still remains clueless.

Had Olney posted a signed agreement that states payment will be due within 3 days and that Olney cues may or may not follow up after the first phone call.

Then and only then will it fall on the buyer. They signed off.

No such agreement exists...A pure lack of organization and professionalism.
 
okay to sum it up

person orders cue waits 4 years to get it. then is told to pick it up and pay. customer is a couple days late getting to it and the cue is now sold to someone else, then offered back to the customer for $500 more.

customer is livid and posts about it on here and most agree with him that he was wronged.


cuemaker comes on and basically agrees with customers story but decides to insult him and his brother as well.


a few defend the cuemaker not because what of he did but because he makes nice cues, or they are a friend, or are unable to comprehend the thread.
 
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Thank you all.I have finaly found Wendy.She was at the third page in this tread.Don't have to explain you how happy I was when I saw her there.Also,she was happy too what has made me even more happy.Now we are together and wish you all the best!
The second good thing in all this is that probably on Tuesday we are going together for vacations and hopefully we will meet Gene Hackman:smile::cool::smile::cool::smile:
 
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Thank you all.I have finaly found Wendy.She was at the third page in this tread.Don't have to explain you how happy I was when I saw her there.Also,she was happy too what has made me even more happy.Now we are together and wish you all the best!
The second good thing in all this is that probably on Tuesday are going together for vacations and hopefully we will meet Gene Hackman:smile::cool::smile::cool::smile:

Wait, wut?
 
For $975, this cue is pretty, and maybe even a bargain - but is just barely deserves the title *custom* - and would not deserve the name 'custom', except for its 3 - 4 year lead time, its maker's 'name', and the lack of business sense which self-identifies the builder as a custom cue maker. I would call it a production cue from a very small shop, worked on only occasionally in spare time between the production runs of less-fancy merry widows, sneaky petes, and knockoffs of other builder's cues.

All custom cue shops need to wise up. Working on a custom-order cue for years does not mean it has been sitting on a shelf unsold for years. Mr. Olney sold this custom-ordered cue as if it was an aging shelf item that had to go in a fire sale, when in fact it was a custom-order item for which he could have fairly asked for partial payment at any time. It is truly amazing that after years of working on this cue, off and on, the cue maker could not communicate in writing either a firm completion date, or his expectations concerning payment and delivery.

As the middle class in the US disintegrates, which it is doing all too fast, people with disposable income to buy an art object for a pool cue will become fewer and fewer. The cue makers with bad business sense will be reduced to replacing tips, and then go out of business. Cue makers with great customer satisfaction might last longer, but as the quality of production cues rises they will have to differentiate their own market niche even better.

Would I ever order a cue with 3 or more year lead time? Only if I had money to burn, and even then only from a very select few cue makers who have the absolute most perfect of reputations for service and reliability. I would still worry the whole time, which would make my cue order not really worth it to me.
 
okay to sum it up

person orders cue waits 4 years to get it. then is told to pick it up and pay. customer is a couple days late getting to it and the cue is now sold to someone else, then offered back to the customer for $500 more.

customer is livid and posts about it on here and most agree with him that he was wronged.


cuemaker comes on and basically agrees with customers story but decides to insult him and his brother as well.


a few defend the cuemaker not because what of he did but because he makes nice cues, or they are a friend, or are unable to comprehend the thread.

That about sums it up except

alstl is stupider than a door knob and I should hook him up with my ex-wife form Missouri:grin-square:
 
Here is what I think about you. I'm retired. In my previous line of work I frequently encountered people whose problems were always the fault of someone else. That is my opinion of you.

Here are the facts. You said in your original post Olney contacted you on Wednesday October 15 telling you the new cue was ready. What else happened on October 15? You bumped two cues for sale on the wanted/for sale forum totaling $1,000 dollars, just enough to pay for your new cue with this...New Olney is done. So this one needs to go.



I believe if Olney had not sold the cue he would have had it for as long as it took you to come up with the cash. I don't believe all your excuses for not driving a few minutes to pick up the cue. I believe you didn't pick it up because you needed to unload some other cues first.

I'm not bored enough to read the entire thread but I wouldn't be surprised if Brad is your brother and I wouldn't be surprised if he is as rude and inconsiderate as you, which is why Olney banned him. I also wouldn't be surprised if spimp13 and deadstroke are personal friends of yours.

I was born in Iowa - Storm Lake - and lived there - Newell and Knoxville - for a few years. I remember Iowans being far less rude and obnoxious than you and your friends.

This may take the cake as one of the dumbest post of the year. Please shut up.
 
Ivica is from Scroatia.

Apparently their drugs are better than ours. He had me until he mentioned Gene Hackman.

Carry on Vica.
 
What *** ****

One post about a he said she said, and the guys no good? We could find someone that had a negative comment about almost all cuemakers.To crucify a guy over one is ******* absurd .A month ago all you heard was good about Jeff.We make and break guys on here by comments made oh his cue hits so great .$3000 for a conversion made by this guy. There,s dozens of craftsman out there that can build a great cue . Lets be more careful with the power to destroy a career .
 
One post about a he said she said, and the guys no good? We could find someone that had a negative comment about almost all cuemakers.To crucify a guy over one is ******* absurd .A month ago all you heard was good about Jeff.We make and break guys on here by comments made oh his cue hits so great .$3000 for a conversion made by this guy. There,s dozens of craftsman out there that can build a great cue . Lets be more careful with the power to destroy a career .

^^^this brings me to the question of, why?
Why would Jeff Risk it? Hasn't he already had one of the largest threads in the gallery section deleted? Because of bad service?

I will say..... That he does make one of the Best hitting cues I have ever played with. His attention to detail is 2nd to none. Finding flaws in his cues are near impossible.
There are other makers out there that have what they call character (flaws, glue spots, ect.) that charge far more then Jeff does. Not sure why or how.

But character counts in my book. And so does integrity.
I work in a business as a Project manager, and our biusness reputation is what gets us repeat buusness from our customers. If we neglect or treat them with less then the respect that they deserve. They will move on to the next contractor. And even pay more to get the services, and treatment they want and deserve.

The Olney NutHuggers will alway hug. But I will not.
And after seen MOST of the post in this thread, I am pretty sure I have saved a few people from possibly being treated the way I did.
 
One post about a he said she said, and the guys no good? We could find someone that had a negative comment about almost all cuemakers.To crucify a guy over one is ******* absurd .A month ago all you heard was good about Jeff.We make and break guys on here by comments made oh his cue hits so great .$3000 for a conversion made by this guy. There,s dozens of craftsman out there that can build a great cue . Lets be more careful with the power to destroy a career .
We're not destroying anyone's career. The business owner could have squashed this with his first post. Instead he choose to confirm the poor business practices while offering zero remorse and continued to blame the customer.

If he would have said and done the right things I would have rushed to his defense and I think a lot of us would have applauded his response but again that's not how it went down.

I own two business, I don't want to see anyone have their business torn away at over one bad dealing however its not just one bad dealing...there were others. But most importantly the business owner has to acknowledge where he went wrong. If not that, then exposure is the next best thing for the buying public.
 
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