Joe Barringer DVD review

D-Rock

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I'll post up this review here, since i'm not sure the best place for it.

I recently purchased all of Joe Barringers DVD's and just finished my first time around watching them. I was going to do an independent review of each separate disk, but decided on just a review off all of them in general.

The first thing I noticed when watching the disks' was how badly they were put together. There was very little (if any) editing done and it appears the whole thing was just thrown together last minute like. No preparation was put into the making of them besides perhaps the veneer disk where he had actually prepared some pieces the night before.

The second thing I noticed was the unprofessional manner in the dvds' Most of the time, Joe, was smoking a cigarette and even was using it as a "cue" in a demonstration he was giving.

Joe goes about and explains the way "you" should do certain tasks, but then goes and does them another way, never once showing you the way he says "you" should do them. I understand time is a factor, but at least do a small demonstraion. example: he tells you to always bore out a hole and don't drill it, but he never shows boring, just drills to final size every time because his equipment is "dead nuts" (a term you will hear alot) and he can.

You get the feel when watching the dvd's that he believes his work is the best, and almost degrades others work. He calls stuff "mickey mouse" productions and such. He never comes out and says anything, just get kind of a "cocky" vibe listening to how great his machines are set up and such.

These dvd's are made for the new cuemaker to show how its done, but he does not do the work on machines that would be available to the new cuemaker (for the most part). Most work was done on a full size metal lathe (nothing wrong with that), but some of it was on dedicated machines, such as the shaft tapering, and cutting the points grooves. Example: He cut his point groves on a dedicated machine that he only had to press a button and watch the machine do the work. Most beginning cue builders won't have access to this, they will be doing it on their lathe, why not show how its done there as well?

all in all, i would not recommend these dvd's to the begining cue builder. Many topics are not discussed at all, such as doing wraps, but capps, joint collars, and just finishing up the work. Although you will learn quite a bit, it will leave you with too many questions still unanswered. But, to be fair, I will re-watch all of them a couple more times with an open mind to see if I missed some stuff (which i'm sure I did) and if my opinion changes, I'll be sure to re-review this thread.
 
i own almost every set of dvds on the market and i think these are some of the best to watch. so i would have to dissagree, its more of what you can learn from how other cue builders do things thats important.
 
If you have seen any of the other cue making videos, you'll notice that NONE of them will score very high in the area of production values. You have to remember that these are created by cue makers, not Hollywood producers or professional actors. They also don't charge that much for the videos, and thus don't have a large production budget to apply when making them. Though none of the video sets are perfect, nor all encompassing, I feel that any/all of them represent a very good investment for any aspiring cue maker. Those already in the biz will undoubtedly be familiar with most of the information presented, but picking up just one or two valuable tips easily pays for the modest cost of the purchase.

Both Joe's and Chris' videos are made by experienced cue makers, for new cue makers, and although not perfect, both sets are well woth the investment for their intended audience.
Mr H
 
i was perhaps a little too negative in my review, but it was what I thought. I understand they don't have the means for big market productions, but a little thought beforehand, being prepared, and holding off on that cigarette for an hour goes a long way.

the dvd's were very informative, and perhaps i did not stress that enough. I just wish it would have been done on machinery more apt to what a novice cue builder would have in his shop instead of a high dollar shop such as Barringer has.
 
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I haven't dealt with Barringer much, and have never, ever considered buying anything from him.
But the little I have dealt with him (repeatedly asking him to stop spamming my email with special offers) left me with a far less than favorable impression.
 
I have both sets of DVDs.
Although Chris's dvds are the ones I use to refer back to if I get stuck, you have to take into account that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

With Joe's dvds, you have to watch many times and the more you watch, the more you may pick up. Maybe he does this or that a bit different, you may pick up on something that works better for you. You also have the option of taking 2 sides of the story and adapting your own technique if you wish. If I can pick up just a couple of tech tips on any dvd, then I agree with Mr> Hoppe, they're worth the price of admission.
 
I have both sets of DVDs.
Although Chris's dvds are the ones I use to refer back to if I get stuck, you have to take into account that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

With Joe's dvds, you have to watch many times and the more you watch, the more you may pick up. Maybe he does this or that a bit different, you may pick up on something that works better for you. You also have the option of taking 2 sides of the story and adapting your own technique if you wish. If I can pick up just a couple of tech tips on any dvd, then I agree with Mr> Hoppe, they're worth the price of admission.
 
also, you don't need high dollar equipment to produce a nice video. take a look at these video's here

http://www.dzcues.com/videos.htm

very nicely produced, and these are just free video's on a website. Imagine the video's he could do if he wanted to make a series and sell it. Just the little thought that goes into it makes a big difference, especially if you plan on marketing it. That "micky mouse" production, to coin his terms, may be fine for you tube, but not for a marketed dvd.

jmho
 
I haven't dealt with Barringer much, and have never, ever considered buying anything from him.
But the little I have dealt with him (repeatedly asking him to stop spamming my email with special offers) left me with a far less than favorable impression.

He didn't like that "obscure" cuemaker saying you can't pick AAA shafts unless they are dowels.
 
I have the DVD's and think you are being a bit critical. While certain aspects could be improved, as a whole it is a good series. I don't think the fact he has dedicated equipment takes anything away either. I don't think anyone couldn't easily imagine doing the procedures on a Deluxe. As far as tapering, a taper bar would do the same thing on a different machine as the taper shaper. The one thing that I didn't like was how much he talked. Alot of superfluous info that noone really needs.

However, how much would an accomplished cuemaker charge you for their time to show you all of those things in person??? Probably a heck of a lot more. All said, they are an excellent bang for the buck..IMO
 
also, you don't need high dollar equipment to produce a nice video. take a look at these video's here

http://www.dzcues.com/videos.htm

very nicely produced, and these are just free video's on a website. Imagine the video's he could do if he wanted to make a series and sell it. Just the little thought that goes into it makes a big difference, especially if you plan on marketing it. That "micky mouse" production, to coin his terms, may be fine for you tube, but not for a marketed dvd.

jmho

Please promise to not accuse me of defending Joe, but IMHO - it is
you that is the problem here - or perhaps, your attitude/expectations.

Enough people have said it - and you still don't seem to gert it -
so pardon me for being blunt, but tactful hasn't worked so far.

When you purchase these videos - you are purchasing KNOWLEDGE,
not production values.
So Joe Bogarts a cigarette and uses outdated working class slang,
most cue makers ARE outdated and working class - just like pool players.

It sounds to me like you were expecting a 'silver bullet' explaination
that could launch you into cue making in a week.

Ain't gonna happen.

I am not any kind of expert on Joe's series - but I do know that if you
can't take enough from what he does presesnt to teach yourself how
to make basic cues - you are barking at the wrong tree limb.

Lecture mode off - return to polite discourse.

Dale<expert on not mincing many words>
 
If and when you watch other videos, which I am sure you will, you will be able to see that Joe's DVD's serve their purpose. You can compare them and see the difference, but for the money, you definitely will be able to gain enough knowledge to pay for the videos a hundred fold.

Joe does know what he's doing. He is just too cool for his own good. Watch it with a more open mind next time. There is a ton of good info on those vids, and you can see an incredibly well set up shop that many cue makers will envy.

I would just keep studying and not be too critical as Dale pointed out. After all, they are cue makers, not movie makers. They will be more valuable later on after you have other educational materials to compare it to. Trust me. You will see. Just take it for what it's worth and use what you can.

I think you're on the right path, just keep digging my friend.

I'll post up this review here, since i'm not sure the best place for it.

I recently purchased all of Joe Barringers DVD's and just finished my first time around watching them. I was going to do an independent review of each separate disk, but decided on just a review off all of them in general.

The first thing I noticed when watching the disks' was how badly they were put together. There was very little (if any) editing done and it appears the whole thing was just thrown together last minute like. No preparation was put into the making of them besides perhaps the veneer disk where he had actually prepared some pieces the night before.

The second thing I noticed was the unprofessional manner in the dvds' Most of the time, Joe, was smoking a cigarette and even was using it as a "cue" in a demonstration he was giving.

Joe goes about and explains the way "you" should do certain tasks, but then goes and does them another way, never once showing you the way he says "you" should do them. I understand time is a factor, but at least do a small demonstraion. example: he tells you to always bore out a hole and don't drill it, but he never shows boring, just drills to final size every time because his equipment is "dead nuts" (a term you will hear alot) and he can.

You get the feel when watching the dvd's that he believes his work is the best, and almost degrades others work. He calls stuff "mickey mouse" productions and such. He never comes out and says anything, just get kind of a "cocky" vibe listening to how great his machines are set up and such.

These dvd's are made for the new cuemaker to show how its done, but he does not do the work on machines that would be available to the new cuemaker (for the most part). Most work was done on a full size metal lathe (nothing wrong with that), but some of it was on dedicated machines, such as the shaft tapering, and cutting the points grooves. Example: He cut his point groves on a dedicated machine that he only had to press a button and watch the machine do the work. Most beginning cue builders won't have access to this, they will be doing it on their lathe, why not show how its done there as well?

all in all, i would not recommend these dvd's to the begining cue builder. Many topics are not discussed at all, such as doing wraps, but capps, joint collars, and just finishing up the work. Although you will learn quite a bit, it will leave you with too many questions still unanswered. But, to be fair, I will re-watch all of them a couple more times with an open mind to see if I missed some stuff (which i'm sure I did) and if my opinion changes, I'll be sure to re-review this thread.
 
when did I say they are not worth the money? When did I Say there was not good content in there? I never said any of that. What I said was it lacked production value, and there were some things left out that i thought should have been included. perhaps some stuff he meant to include but just forgot because of the lack of preperation going into the videos. This is my review, i'm not trying to bash anyone, i'm a getting into cue building and this was my first video purchase, this dvd was designed for people like me, not already proficient cue builders (although i'm sure its good for them too). I thought a review by the target audience would be appreciated be it good or bad. these were my thoughts after watching the dvd's one time. I'll re-watch a few more times like i already stated. I'm sorry taking the time to write up a review for someone in my shoes that may be trying to decide between ht's videos and these ones. i'll leave the reviews of the rest of the instructional information i purchase to myself and let others find out for themselves.
 
Take it easy man. R-E-L-A-X!! Instead of getting offended, listen to what is being said. You are in a very early stage. There are many who've posted in your threads with good advice, but you sometimes don't hear it because you can't seem to take criticism. You can't grow like that. If you want to seek help in the ATCM, you got to swallow your pride.

Like I said before, I was in your shoes just recently. I know exactly what you're going through, and you are me just 1 year ago.

I bought Joe's videos, Chris' videos and book, got excited, asked questions, and also got criticized. I had to learn that on AZ, there are all kinds of people coming from all different angles. I had to take things with a grain of salt and not be so thin skinned. I learned to swallow my pride and not take offense to things so easily.

The only reason I am blunt with you, is I can help you along using my recent experiences. I have learned much and feel obligated to pass on the same goodwill that has been shown to me.

Keep asking your questions. Keep searching and keep learning. That is your best bet for now.

Good luck man.
 
i understand. i just get so much from this forum that i wanted to try and give something back. I should have done a nice happy review and said how great was but I didn't. people don't take criticism well, and I know I am one of them because i sure don't take it well.
 
i understand. i just get so much from this forum that i wanted to try and give something back. I should have done a nice happy review and said how great was but I didn't. people don't take criticism well, and I know I am one of them because i sure don't take it well.

Don't be afraid to be you, ever. You'll fall into the box of the masses of other cuemakers with the same designs & the same points of view before you ever get a chance to stretch your legs in this industry. The world in general is quick to jump on negativity with more negativity as if everybody's a righteous superhero. But the truth is, it's just signs of the times we live in. Take it with a grain of salt. You don't have to conform to anybody's expectations. Be yourself & plow your way to success with no reverence to anybody else & once there you'll find that you have all kinds of cuemaker buddies who wanna share your thoughts & chit chat with you. In no time at all you'll be a staple cuemaker on AZB & will be offering your expert advice to all the newbies. A regular part of the local scenery.

Welcome to cuemaking. You'd have been better off learning how to crochet a sweater with grandma, less frustrated at least.
 
I bought Chris's videos first, then Joe came out with his about 2 yrs. ago?? and I wanted to get them. It was about $900 for the set. I felt at that time it was TOO expensive. I managed later to aquire a set (involving trades, etc.) I have learned alot from Chris's and Joe's. Some of what I learned was about the people themselves and also about cuemaking. I liked the home done atmosphere from Chris's videos better than Joe's, there wasn't any back slapping/self greatness, nor downing of anyone elses methods in the video as there was in Joe's, and that says alot about the persons making it. There was alot of great info on both sets of DVD's.
It's been said a few times on here about Joe and his attitude, and his bad business practices. Some have stated that he hasn't built a cue in his life. I don't know if that's true, but his DVD's do contain alot of true info, if you can filter out his 'add-ons' I will say though, I haven't heard of anyone owning a Barringer cue, but know that there are a lot of Hightower cue owners.........Sometimes, those who can't actually do it, teach it.....others build it
Dave
 
i own almost every set of dvds on the market and i think these are some of the best to watch. so i would have to dissagree, its more of what you can learn from how other cue builders do things thats important.

i agree 100% what you get out of it is what counts
 
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