John and Lou, the plain truth

Ok, this deal of what could have been done with the cash is BS. What is good for me, may not be good for you. What I find acceptable, you may detest. Hell half the time what I thought was the correct decision, turned out to be a turd in the punch bowl. I am not here to judge what is right or wrong for anyone, other than myself. I really have no opinion on such matters, unless it involves me. Me, I do my best not to let my alligator mouth, overload my hummingbird ass.

If both contestants are of sane mind, adults, have the cash in hand, and want to gamble, then I see no ethical or moral issue here. They are both well aware that there will be a winner and a loser.
 
Tro said:
I normally don't chime in on these types of threads, but I couldn't help myself.

Who are we to dictate what two people do with their money? If either man wants to drain their bank accounts dry and spend all the money on gummy bears and whisky, how does that affect anyone here?

Did either of them setup a college fund for you and use the money for this match? Did either of them tell you they'd pay your mortgage for a few months?

Do either of them owe anyone here a nickel?

Neither man committed a crime. Neither man's actions affected anyone here.

I understand that a ton of people here love to bash John for his antics and can't wait for an opportunity to jump all over him from their keyboard strongholds. This event played right into your hands.

If people are really this distraught because two people, not John and Lou, but two random people bet 10k each on a match, then perhaps said people should move away from the keyboard and find something constructive to do.

It was two grown men playing with money they had every right to spend. They didn't steal it. They didn't mug anyone to get it.

Get over it.
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I have to agree with this. They are both grown men and have earned their money and have a right to do with it what they want. I have far less respect for the guys who throw away their dough in casinos. Both these guys got in the trenches and played hard for their cash. The money was definitely a significant amount for both of them and that makes it more admirable to me. It takes heart to play under circumstances like this and it's when we test ourselves that we become more than what we were before.

I want to play Cardone $5,000 worth ($2,500 each) of Bank Pool. Once upon a time he was out of my league and maybe he still is, but I want to test myself and see if I still have the heart to bet high. The only serious match I've played in the last few years was a $1,000 match with Joey A. I lost 4-2 but I felt like I could have won. He had a little more in his tank than I did. We all need to test ourselves once in a while. That's why I get in their and swing with the young guns at the World Series of Poker every year. Each tournament is a $1,000 or more entry fee, so it's not a cheap date. I can still make the money a lot of the time. These triple sharp youngsters keep me on my toes and I like it.
 
1pRoscoe said:
TATE, I've got mad respect for you, but you have to hand it to them, they ponied up and played.... whether they could afford it or not is none of my concern. John needs to pump a few more cases (won't be hard) and I hear Lou had a backer. My opinion is if they gambled something they couldn't afford to lose, doom on them. I don't think it's the case here. John was wise enough to admit he sunk money into his business and refused to up the bet. That's putting ego aside and reinforces your point.

Same with OMGWTF and CubC, in reality...

Either way, it was enjoyable to watch IMO, and both made some great moves and horrific mistakes, but that's what amateurs do.

<-- wouldn't bet $10k


I disagree. It was almost a one game difference except for one play on John's part that pushed it 8-6 instead of 7-7....
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Hi Ross,

It was actually fun watching the non-pros do battle.

Chris
 
all of this criticism is blowhard look at me i have better values etc
it is better to win than lose

everyone should do as i do or say

pool players gamble or they don't
some just shoot off their mouth

john,stepped up and played what he knew was a tough game
quite possibly the advertizing and increased publicity put dozens of kids through college

win a few ,lose a few
no one has shown that anyone missed a meal over the wager

i suspect that all the criticism comes from people that don't like john for some other reason

in the pool world it is never good form to criticize the loser,why try to humiliate a guy who stepped up and played
next you will be griping because there is no action

i applaud john for taking a small shot,not waiting for the nuts,not trying to deceive,and not backing out
when it became evident that he was in a bad game before the set started

i advised john not to play the game as i didn't think he could win,but he explained that he could afford the money,his family was behind him,and the overall result would be good business

i wish john would have played me before i got too old to give him a run for his money,or at least a couple of ball spot and the pop

sadly i am selling my table and cues,age and ability destroying my game,but i might like 1 last hoorah

congratulation to John,all of us that like you so much had some fun,and felt some of the pain of your loss,but over all i am proud of you,especially the sportsmanship ,you demonstrated all the time especially the grace in losing with dignity and charm. that I felt was the real John Barton

lastly let me say,I sure am glad it wasn't me who lost the 10k this time
 
jay helfert said:
I have to agree with this. They are both grown men and have earned their money and have a right to do with it what they want. I have far less respect for the guys who throw away their dough in casinos. Both these guys got in the trenches and played hard for their cash. The money was definitely a significant amount for both of them and that makes it more admirable to me. It takes heart to play under circumstances like this and it's when we test ourselves that we become more than what we were before.

I want to play Cardone $5,000 worth ($2,500 each) of Bank Pool. Once upon a time he was out of my league and maybe he still is, but I want to test myself and see if I still have the heart to bet high. The only serious match I've played in the last few years was a $1,000 match with Joey A. I lost 4-2 but I felt like I could have won. He had a little more in his tank than I did. We all need to test ourselves once in a while. That's why I get in their and swing with the young guns at the World Series of Poker every year. Each tournament is a $1,000 or more entry fee, so it's not a cheap date. I can still make the money a lot of the time. These triple sharp youngsters keep me on my toes and I like it.
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Jay,

There is a respectable way of setting up a match, then there is John and Lou, two men acting like fragile ego children.

Sorry, this was ridiculous. I lost a lot of respect for each of them for many reasons.

Chris
 
Slow your role

Come on man, you have got to be kidding. It was a $10k
loss relatively speaking that's not much of a gamble.
Certainly not "betting the farm" or anything like
that. You obviously don't know what a gambling
problem really is. Your post is actually disrespectful
to people that do have a problem. Like this lady
who was a local city accountant and embezzled over
$4 million in a few years and gambled it away at
the casino. Now that, my friend, is pitiful and despicable.
 
With three in college and another to go I don't have the lettuce to bet big but I have always wanted the chance. If money was not the issue it would be cool to say I gave it a shot.
Maybe John and Lou felt the same and now they don't have to wonder anymore
would I?....could I?.

Nice match you two and thanks for including us.
 
JoshStodola said:
Come on man, you have got to be kidding. It was a $10k
loss relatively speaking that's not much of a gamble.
Certainly not "betting the farm" or anything like
that. You obviously don't know what a gambling
problem really is. Your post is actually disrespectful
to people that do have a problem. Like this lady
who was a local city accountant and embezzled over
$4 million in a few years and gambled it away at
the casino. Now that, my friend, is pitiful and despicable.
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I'm not saying they have a gambling problem. Obviously, they don't. They have an ego problem.
 
hmmm

I think they should play again and Double the bet for TATE.... cant understand a guy getting mad for people betting money ....

Ive seen guys play races to 7 for 30k ....he might had just passed out on the spot lol
 
TATE said:
Jay,

There is a respectable way of setting up a match, then there is John and Lou, two men acting like fragile ego children.

Sorry, this was ridiculous. I lost a lot of respect for each of them for many reasons.

Chris
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Firstly, John has plenty of dough and a successful business and advertising that business was a big part of this, IMO. Lou knew he was the favorite, and probably only put up a fraction of the money anyhow. Stop the hand wringing, it's really their business.
 
TATE said:
This match happened because two guys shot off their mouths on the internet. Plain and simple. It is shameful behavior. A whole pack of people piled on too, which made it worse. There is nothing here to be proud of, nothing noble. Does either guy really seem like they can afford to gamble 10K or 20K on a pool match? Not to me they don't.

Furthermore, any of you so-called gamblers who respect someone for gambling their hard earned money, their family's savings or children's potential college fund on a pool game needs to seriously examine their values. There is a culture among gamblers that talks of respect for what is basically reckless, self-destructive behavior. Do we praise someone who falls down stinking drunk every night? Yet we praise someone who gambles large?

I gamble for entertainment, just enough to sweat. No harm in that. We are fathers, workers, employers, husbands. At some point, as mature men, we need to accept that our actions affect a lot of people who depend on us and act responsibly We shouldn't let our ego's dictate our actions. I watched the match and enjoyed it. But let's not forget why this match really took place.

The plain truth is, it was pitiful.
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Tate I find what you say to be a great point, one that morons around here will insult, mostly because the people on the internet love to lie and make up this imaginary life where they like to believe $10K is not a lot of money and it's something they would or do take part in. Truth is $10K is a huge sum and nothing to joke about.
But what I find worse is that John and his wife have obviously left 2 small children 1/2 way across the globe to play this stupid match. I have a little girl and when I do leave her for a few days for work I can't wait to get home, the most I have ever been away is 3 days. I wonder how long John has been away? It's really sad that the kids miss out because someone wants to prove he can pee further then the other guy.
 
I don't know how much JB makes off his case sales but how are all of you not seeing the fact that it was an intentional publicity coup, and a pretty successful one at that (based on amount of interest and awareness raised)? Even if JB lost 10k, I'd imagine (seeing as he ponied up for the stream as well) that he knew he was probably going to lose but that he'd get some or maybe more back in business?

I'm not sure what he projected to actually make in the long run after this match from the publicity, but I can't imagine it wasn't part of his plan.
 
ICue71 said:
Tate I find what you say to be a great point, one that morons around here will insult, mostly because the people on the internet love to lie and make up this imaginary life where they like to believe $10K is not a lot of money and it's something they would or do take part in. Truth is $10K is a huge sum and nothing to joke about.

But what I find worse is that John and his wife have obviously left 2 small children 1/2 way across the globe to play this stupid match. I have a little girl and when I do leave her for a few days for work I can't wait to get home, the most I have ever been away is 3 days. I wonder how long John has been away? It's really sad that the kids miss out because someone wants to prove he can pee further then the other guy.
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What part of this being a business investment don't you understand? Do you diss Military men that leave their family behind to invest in the family's future.

John I'm proud of you.


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The Kiss said:
Exactly any pr is good pr. Jb who makes a great case just got 10k worth of advertising and got his face known all over the net. Which would have cost well over 10k . Who really came out on top????????

I bought a Jb case afew years ago thing is a work of art:o
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I don't get these lies? I mean this will no doubt be his excuse as to why losing $10K was all worth it. But how about the truth?? I mean you bought a JB case because JB cases are really nice looking and good cases. I mean I get you are trying to help the guy off the ledge, but if you really bought a case because he bet some money then you are not that smart. Do you guys realize that posting on AZ is FREE, he could have posted 300 times in the last 3 months and you would have seen the same sig line that way. With his antics I feel he lost as many sales as he may have gained but anyone who really bought a case because the guy gambles is either dumb or lying.
 
ICue71 said:
Tate I find what you say to be a great point, one that morons around here will insult, mostly because the people on the internet love to lie and make up this imaginary life where they like to believe $10K is not a lot of money and it's something they would or do take part in. Truth is $10K is a huge sum and nothing to joke about.
But what I find worse is that John and his wife have obviously left 2 small children 1/2 way across the globe to play this stupid match. I have a little girl and when I do leave her for a few days for work I can't wait to get home, the most I have ever been away is 3 days. I wonder how long John has been away? It's really sad that the kids miss out because someone wants to prove he can pee further then the other guy.
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I may get on John's case a bit, but I don't believe for a minute that his children are not well cared for. He makes quite a few business trips to the states and that is how he fit this in. He has barked a lot in the past, but every challenge depended on his availability when he's here.
 
ICue71 said:
I don't get these lies? I mean this will no doubt be his excuse as to why losing $10K was all worth it. But how about the truth?? I mean you bought a JB case because JB cases are really nice looking and good cases. I mean I get you are trying to help the guy off the ledge, but if you really bought a case because he bet some money then you are not that smart. Do you guys realize that posting on AZ is FREE, he could have posted 300 times in the last 3 months and you would have seen the same sig line that way. With his antics I feel he lost as many sales as he may have gained but anyone who really bought a case because the guy gambles is either dumb or lying.
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Apparently you haven't heard.... any publicity is GOOD publicicty. Every time JB posts, he is advertising (includes a link to his sales site).
 
Luxury said:
What part of this being a business investment don't you understand? Do you diss Military men that leave their family behind to invest in the family's future.

John I'm proud of you.


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I guess the part where he didn't need to bet $10K, that number was just an attempt to high roll a guy. I also guess the part where he could have gotten the same PR for free just by posting here for free. Also what part about leaving 2 small children for a long period without their parents do you feel is ok just so you can boost your ego by playing a game you aren't even good at. I am happy they played, I just disagree that the payoff was worth what he lost.
 
TATE said:
We started my daughter's college fund at age 3 months with 10K. Now her entire 4 years and grad school is fully funded.
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Pffft I paid my way through college playing pool:grin:

To each there own 2 guys want to get down and gamble with their money so be it. You want to save it for a college fund so be it. As I said earlier for 10k JB got a hell of a lot advertisment of of this Match up. I owned a business in the North East let me tell you what 10k gets you for advertising Jack Shit.

I'll bet you 5 bucks if you look up John Barton on google he should be on the top of the list one way or another linking back to these boards and threads
 
ICue71 said:
I guess the part where he didn't need to bet $10K, that number was just an attempt to high roll a guy. I also guess the part where he could have gotten the same PR for free just by posting here for free. Also what part about leaving 2 small children for a long period without their parents do you feel is ok just so you can boost your ego by playing a game you aren't even good at. I am happy they played, I just disagree that the payoff was worth what he lost.
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Same PR??? My opinion is your logic is flawed.


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