No problem! I don't have an emotional investment here. In one respect it is fun to twist john's tail but I know he is damaged goods in many ways. That is why I have been skipping entire days responding. I will try to be a do-gooder!
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No problem! I don't have an emotional investment here. In one respect it is fun to twist john's tail but I know he is damaged goods in many ways. That is why I have been skipping entire days responding. I will try to be a do-gooder!
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That's right. I keep a file. That's called evidence. So when I make a claim I can back it up.
Something you seem to be unable to do.
So you get your rocks off by messing with people you consider to be damaged? Of course you do because that's your character.
Tell us another story. You're so good at it.
I came here to set the record straight about a malicious defamation perpetrated against me by an unethical morally bankrupt liar.
Hu is only here to troll me. His stories are "entertaining" if you're into unsubstantiated personal anecdotes. Forums like this attract people like him because they get their egos stroked by "fans" who love the "stories".
There can be no end with a troll. Their stock in trade is to screw with people. They can't be reasoned with. Once they lock onto a target they can only be stopped with a ban. But the best ones are good at stepping to the line but never crossing it.
That's why we don't have trolls on my forums. We have a "be cool" rule that stops trolls from creating content that is of zero value to the forum. Someone like this guy wouldn't last ten minutes because he adds zero value.
So, respectfully, there will be no tipping of my cap to a troll. Thank you for the effort but I have zero intention of laying down to this anon troll.
I live my live openly without fear. I don't have to hide from any person. I wouldn't know this guy if he were standing next to me and that's fine. He lives in fear of what his mouth causes people to want to do to him. I don't and 100% of the time so far none of those who have threatened me have done anything when I have seen them in person. Not because of any kind of fear of me but because in person people are not incivil in general.
So again thank you for your effort but there is no equivalence here. You will not find even one instance where I have gone behind this troll and harassed him. They only time we interact is when he comes into threads I am involved in and harasses me.
I do much more for this sport than just make cases. I add value to the pool world where I can, both materially through helping my colleagues, donating to tournaments, sponsoring players, promoting pool, and much more that I specifically do not seek credit for. I try to see the good in everyone, often to my detriment. But sometimes I have had enough and come to the conclusion that there is no good to be found. Such is my opinion of this troll.
So my advice to everyone reading this is to ignore the thread. I myself scroll past many threads that don't interest me. Anyone who opens this one just wants to be entertained by the troll and his target at this point.
And with that I will bow out and leave it unless the troll breaks his word to you and continues to defame me.
Who are you, Perry Mason? Why are you even sticking your nose and fat ass in to begin with? Go back into hibernation.I rest my case. See if he lets it go. Any action?
The moderators need to put the thumbs down dislike button back. Many would be given in this thread.
And the only thing it would reveal is whose side everyone was for based on whether they "liked" or "disliked" the combatants before any disagreement came to fruition. Not necessarily the content or viewpoints. You know, like Dems and Reps. The like or dislike is made right up front.
See you've brought your toolishness from aiming to here. How nice. We are blessed.
And you said you had me on ignore/block. Liar, liar, pants on fire. You don't know the difference between aiming and miscuing because they're one and the same with you at the table. Hey, I've been a member here longer than you've been.
Not that it means anything, but 17 1/2+ years is a long time to have to play nice with the likes of you and others.
Ooops, just saw J2pac post. Aye-aye, sir.
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Let's what go? I always find it fascinating that some members think that a discussion board should have a limit on the amount of posts in a thread.I rest my case. See if he lets it go. Any action?
The Internet provides a way to have a conversation that is not limited to any fixed location and not limited by time or storage space.
It's not like we are using scribes to reply to each other and filling warehouses with parchment. No we are exchanging bits and storing them on mediums that can each contain more information than humans had created for the first ten thousand years of known writing up until the invention of the computer some 80 years ago.
This idea that something is wrong with a person who wants to rebut statements made by others that are not factual, are inaccurate and defamatory is silly. It means that you think there ought to be a stopping point where the inaccurate false claims should stand as the last entry in the record.
I don't agree with that assumption. For me there Internet means that humans can discuss whatever they want for as long as they want to and other humans can participate or ignore the conversation as they wish to.
For the human every bit of content, every claim, every insult, every fact is sitting behind a thread title. No one is forced to open it, no one is forced to read it. In fact tools exist to make it completely disappear from view at all should one not possess the willpower to simply scroll past. Certainly notifications of new posts in the thread can be turned off.
I do it all the time. There are many threads where I got the information/entertainment that I wanted and I don't want any more notifications off new of new posts. That feature is here iirc and it is on FB and many other discussion forums.
Instead of knocking me with the "has to have the last word" nonsense how about you think of it differently and say that a person is diligent about comprehensively addressing all points and claims made that need to be addressed for the record to be complete?
Yes there are plenty of people like me who enjoy the opportunity that the Internet provides to interact with other humans across space and time. Sometimes I will come across a thread from years ago that I hadn't seen where I can contribute something positive to the record. Could be a how do I fix this case type of question..... No one whines when I provide a helpful answer years after the thread was created.
But what if I do that and someone decides to then disagree with my answer? Should I not answer their points if I don't agree with their claims? When I do and they then come back and further disagree and start with insults and defamatory claims attempting to discredit me or my business should I let that stand unanswered?
The difference between myself and you is that you're anonymous on this forum. You can easily ignore any claim about you personally because no claim can defame an anonymous poster. It is impossible to harm your "reputation" in real life when no one knows who you are. Only your content on the forum defines "you" for the purpose of establishing and maintaining a "reputation". So one could make false claims about the nature of the content you post and you could choose to defend or not as you wish because nothing said has any material effect on your life outside of this forum.
For myself on the other hand it is possible to negatively affect my life and the lives of those I employ and the lives of our dealers and customers when false claims are made against me. So the order of importance to have an accurate record is much higher for me than it is for anonymous posters.
Years ago I asked Mike for an account that I could post under which wouldn't be subject to defamatory claims against me personally or my business.
I faithfully stuck to the facts and was exceedingly polite and the trolls were super frustrated that they couldn't attack me in any way that prompted a personal defense. In short order I was getting praise for being a valuable member of the forum. But I couldn't comment authoritatively on subjects that I knew very well in my industry experience. So my ability to help others by contributing my knowledge acquired by 20+ years of industry insider experience was very limited.
It was however refreshing to see the trolls completely flummoxed attempting to uncover my identity so that they could make defamatory comments towards a known person.
And that's the difference between an anon posting and a known person. The known person is subject to infinitely false and vile defamation while the anonymous person can't be defamed as there is no personal reputation to defame. Whether anything I say about an anon is true or not doesn't matter because there are no real world consequences.
You can send a swat team to my house and claim I have hostages because you know who I am and where I live. I cannot do the same to you.
But I chose not to live in fear of your ability to do that. I choose to live openly and say what I have to say when and where and with whatever frequency I feel is necessary.
So you're right, I do have to have the last word when I feel that the record is incomplete without my rebuttals to any points made that should not stand unanswered. And there are many discussions where I state my position, share my story, share the relevant links to the source material etc... and don't post again in the thread. But you ignore that and instead seek to knock me for defending myself against the completely unnecessary false and defamatory claims.
When, in fact, I believe that you enjoy the fact that I am willing to spend as much time as I feel a need to defending myself against such attacks. I believe this because long after the substance of the thread topic has been debated thoroughly you still come back to participate in the attacks.
What you see as a character flaw I see as a character strength. I use the Internet differently than you do. I don't use it to attack people, I use it to discuss ideas.
If I wanted to attack people then I could easily hire people to create fake accounts and make a project out of trolling those I want to attack. Every time you post anywhere on azb a troll makes a shitty comment about you. The more creative the better. The cost to me for this service is a couple thousand a month for about five people to do this as a part time job.
But I would never do such a thing because that isn't in my nature. I simply want good discussions of substance and fact where knowledge is shared and all participants get a factual understanding of the topic. Where opinions are shared and analyzed philosophically and objectively. That's how I see the internets value to humanity. The garbage that is personal attacks and defamations shouldn't exist and I am not proud of sinking to the level of the trolls who create that garbage by replying in kind sometimes. But I am not immune to getting upset and allowing my basic fight or fight nature to emerge. So in that regard sorry that folks sometimes see garbage posts from me in response to garbage posts attacking me. That's the point where you should just go away and let me and the person I am in the "fight" with handle our business without you pouring gas on the flames. Just enjoy the reparte' or ignore the thread.
Or participate and make useless comments and congratulate yourself that you got a response to your claims. I would be thrilled if Bill Gates or some other luninary responded to me personally in a thread. And in pool I am a (very) minor celebrity so getting "to" me is certainly a thrill on some level for the anon and known trolls and regular people in my opinion.
If you want actual action though you know where to find me in real life. Just down the road a little from you if I remember correctly. My doors are always open and I am pretty much always ready to bet on the claims I make. The only exception being when I state my opinion of the truthfullness of "stories" told by posters about themselves. If I can't prove it then I certainly won't bet against someone else having proof of their story.
So, my name and address are public. My business is publicly known. I have Chesters pool room in OKC. Anytime an anon wants to have a real time, real world debate then show up and we can get the camera going pretty quickly.
My point was you have to have the last word. You took the bait as expected. I did not read but maybe the first sentence of this novella. I'm sure you'll say something else but you'll be back on Ignore by then so type away. You are one odd duck.
This really makes it look like YOU have to have the last word... Maybe we're all a lot more alike than we think we are.
On obm we have a be cool rule. This rule was created for the posters who technically aren't breaking rules but their content is of zero positive value to the forum. So in a discussion like this posters who want to make unsubstantiated claims when they aren't even involved in the incident in question would be warned and then banned if they persisted.
How long would this thread be if some of those people had chosen not to attack me personally? Much shorter and finished completely as a dormant record of the facts and claims by both parties.
Instead we get attacks on me and rebuttals and further attacks and more rebuttals.
I am the victim here. That's simply a fact. Mike Hoang illegally made a false accusation of assault to the police against me and used that to materially harm my business and my reputation.
The question was asked if I was actually banned from the US Open and the attacks started in on me before I even got a chance to weigh in.
If I were the moderator I would have banned every single person who attacked me in this thread under the "be cool" rule because their posts added absolutely nothing towards resolving the original question. They only took an opportunity to bash me without the facts and without allowing me the opportunity to establish my side of it.
To me no matter how much I dislike someone I stop short of piling on to unfounded accusations. While I might think that they are capable of having done what they are accused of I don't feel that insinuating that they are most likely guilty in the absence of evidence of that guilt is the right move.
So I agree that thumbs down would be good and I state that banning would be even better. The trolls here absolutely do not come to forums I own because they get banned for the behavior they get away with here. And to be clear no one gets banned for disagreement with me. They get banned for making false and defamatory claims.
Correct.This really makes it look like YOU have to have the last word... Maybe we're all a lot more alike than we think we are.
Just like jackin with the guy. Cheap entertainment. I can stop anytime, he can't. I'm nothing like that cat.This really makes it look like YOU have to have the last word... Maybe we're all a lot more alike than we think we are.
Back on ignore? Oh still my beating heart that someone of zero consequence to my life on a tiny corner of the Internet has chosen to not see my content.......
But I think that a poster knowing how to use the ignore function proves my point. Participation is voluntary.
But I think that a poster knowing how to use the ignore function proves my point. Participation is voluntary.
Imagine how crazy it is to run a business and want to draw attention to it. Seeking social attention is such a horrible way to grow a business.
You guys are so smart and such amazing ambassadors for billiards I’m always shocked that the community doesn’t lean on more people like you to represent AZB and pool as a whole.
Your inclusivity, kindness and welcoming demeanor are a real bright spot here.
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