John Schmidt vs Niels Feijen - Schmidt conceeded

[StevenPWaldon]

The scores were very easy to read. The numbering was quite large and clear.

I saw the match, and it really just looked like John got extremely mad at himself and pushed the balls (with his cue) out of anger toward himself and frustration. I don't think he consciously thought, "I'm going to concede this match." After he missed his shot and broke out the balls, he hit the balls immediately after. They were still in motion. He wasn't pouting or cursing. I just don't think he was thinking clearly, with the match so tight and tensions so high.

When Ortmann missed an easy shot against Jasmin, he threw his cue on the adjacent table out of disgust. John's raking of the balls looked very much like the same thing, except that he did it on the table at play.

John's reaction seemed very much just that -- a reaction. It looked just like a burst of emotion in a pressure-cooked match. It didn't look like he was throwing a hissy fit, and he certainly wasn't trying to disrespect his opponent. I think for anyone to over analyze this, and to assume that Schmidt is a poor sport clearly is reading it wrong. Perhaps those who judge should reserve any public statements until they know at least a few sides of the story. I'd be willing to bet that smashmouth wasn't even there to witness it.

My impression was that the scores were hard to read and John probably thought his opponent only needed 4 with a wide open table, when in reality it was 18 which would have required another break.

Anyway, Johnny, we still love ya!!!

 

[Cuebuddy]

believe me there is my side of story. although im not going to explain myself.
i will not tell my side and you can all thank smashmouth.also im going to do my best to never get on here again.
idiots like smashmouth are not even worth replying to as they are jealous ,no talent,wannabe ,losers.all the haters can drop dead.
to the other 99percent on here which i respect and like take care.

Don' let SM win, it is nice having you around.

 

[CueAndMe]

The scores were very easy to read. The numbering was quite large and clear.

I saw the match, and it really just looked like John got extremely mad at himself and pushed the balls (with his cue) out of anger toward himself and frustration. I don't think he consciously thought, "I'm going to concede this match." After he missed his shot and broke out the balls, he hit the balls immediately after. They were still in motion. He wasn't pouting or cursing. I just don't think he was thinking clearly, with the match so tight and tensions so high.

When Ortmann missed an easy shot against Jasmin, he threw his cue on the adjacent table out of disgust. John's raking of the balls looked very much like the same thing, except that he did it on the table at play.

John's reaction seemed very much just that -- a reaction. It looked just like a burst of emotion in a pressure-cooked match. It didn't look like he was throwing a hissy fit, and he certainly wasn't trying to disrespect his opponent. I think for anyone to over analyze this, and to assume that Schmidt is a poor sport clearly is reading it wrong. Perhaps those who judge should reserve any public statements until they know at least a few sides of the story. I'd be willing to bet that smashmouth wasn't even there to witness it.

I wasn't there, but I think this is probably the reason behind it. It may be a habit that he's gotten into over the years when he practices and misses and gets pissed at himself he swipes the balls. And I guess after 4 hours of play not up to his very high standards, the reaction just took over.
As a fan, I don't mind this concession nearly as much as the concession that just happened in the final. I think the fans should see a complete match in the final.

BTW, I met John this week, and he's a great guy who was fighting a really horrible sinus infection. I look forward to seeing him on Thursday in Parsippany, hopefully feeling better.

Get some rest John.

 

[Jason Robichaud]

Maybe Danny's story in another thread isn't so false or off base. Seems a lot of players are doing things lately that require explaining or wait for their side of the story.

In my opinion, the only thing that makes or gives someone class is there actions during play. This is a pool forum and we can only judge their actions/ class during this time. Throwing your cue at the balls or hitting the balls is, 'explain yourself' Hard to market explain yourself and the pool dollars are proof. Pool might have too many 'explain yourself' and not enough class players. Snooker you sit in your chair and watch the other guy run a century... when he gets it you clap like everyone else. You would never stop them once they win the frame... That is called class. Wonder what would happen if Hendry got up when Ronnie was on 99 and hit the balls.

 

[StevenPWaldon]

Meh, bad snooker comparison there. It's not like Neils was in the middle of a run and John ran up to swipe the balls. He just got furious at himself and had a lapse of judgment in the heat of the moment.

These are people under stressful conditions. They're not robots. I think there's a little too much criticism of John here.

Maybe Danny's story in another thread isn't so false or off base. Seems a lot of players are doing things lately that require explaining or wait for their side of the story.

In my opinion, the only thing that makes or gives someone class is there actions during play. This is a pool forum and we can only judge their actions/ class during this time. Throwing your cue at the balls or hitting the balls is, 'explain yourself' Hard to market explain yourself and the pool dollars are proof. Pool might have too many 'explain yourself' and not enough class players. Snooker you sit in your chair and watch the other guy run a century... when he gets it you clap like everyone else. You would never stop them once they win the frame... That is called class. Wonder what would happen if Hendry got up when Ronnie was on 99 and hit the balls.

 

[Luxury]

I'm a John Schmidt fan here and have loved everything he's done for the game and for this site.

I would have bet on him in this match if I would have been there and I may have had a momentary lapse of judgment as well as I may have blurted, "What the ****???" too loud the moment John raked the balls.

I've done way way worse things in my life to judge an individual on this.

John Schmidt you are the man and I hope you keep that lesson at your house offer up on this site as I hope to do it someday.

 

[PKM]

believe me there is my side of story. although im not going to explain myself.
i will not tell my side and you can all thank smashmouth.also im going to do my best to never get on here again.
idiots like smashmouth are not even worth replying to as they are jealous ,no talent,wannabe ,losers.all the haters can drop dead.
to the other 99percent on here which i respect and like take care.

If you stop posting here, the terrorists will win
:sad:

 

[trueblu8]

Here's Feijen's report, copied from his website www.nielsfeijen.nl

Damn that was a badass intro on Neils' site, lol!

P.S. Don't stop posting here John, we love you man! How lucky are we to have an actual pro that posts here? I wish more pros would post on here. That says something that he isn't afraid to talk with regular people like us. You gotta respect a man like that.

 

[lodini]

nothing I've said is untrue

funny watching all the Schmidt sheep everytime he pulls another stunt

Funny... I don't see what you think he did wrong. It was his match, not yours. When you are in his shoes, you can feel free to handle the situation however you'd like. Until then, shut up.

 

[cincyman]

believe me there is my side of story. although im not going to explain myself.
i will not tell my side and you can all thank smashmouth.also im going to do my best to never get on here again.
idiots like smashmouth are not even worth replying to as they are jealous ,no talent,wannabe ,losers.all the haters can drop dead.

to the other 99percent on here which i respect and like take care.

I neither like him nor dislike him but (read the line in red)!!!!! thats class :thumbup: let the flogging begin:yikes:

I dont care who you f$$#ing think you are you dont say that to people,, thats absloutely ridiculous and anyone who defends him for that comment is simply moronic.

Dude you are a POOL PLAYER not president or secretary of state or even a city counsilman lol. That comment right there regardless of who said it and why and all the other things that make you angry aside is why you complain about pool being in the state it is and why YOU cant pay to go to tournys on your own and why there is no money in it,,,, (read the red comment) thats right there is the reason... That is laughable

Yup people your right he is a classy guy wow<----------sarcasm

 

[trueblu8]

He did sound pretty pissed didn't he, lol. Hey it is pool, it is a shitty sport, even though we love it, that hardly anybody watches, with little or no money in it. I say let the guy vent a little. Why should he have to act all perfect all the time? Why can't the guy be himself? Hey maybe he messed up and let his anger out a little bit, but is that so bad? Look at John McEnroe, and Earl Strickland, surely he's not as bad as those guys when it comes to getting angry. Give the guy a break. He probably puts horrific pressure on himself.

 

[8ballEinstein]

Sometimes we can play great and lose. Other times we can play badly and win.

In this case, I'm sure John felt that he was not going to accept a victory after shooting so poorly (by his standards), so he conceeded the game. I don't think it would've mattered if Niels needed 50 or more balls, John just decided he didn't deserve the win.

 

[cincyman]

He did sound pretty pissed didn't he, lol. Hey it is pool, it is a shitty sport, even though we love it, that hardly anybody watches, with little or no money in it. I say let the guy vent a little. Why should he have to act all perfect all the time? Why can't the guy be himself? Hey maybe he messed up and let his anger out a little bit, but is that so bad? Look at John McEnroe, and Earl Strickland, surely he's not as bad as those guys. Give the guy a break. He probably puts horrific pressure on himself.

No one is debating whether it is ok to let a little anger out but to say something like THAT to not only one person but "to all the haters" is horrific,,, are you kidding me!!!!

Maybe when i am at a tournament and i miss a ball i will tell my opponent i hope he dies because it is a lot of pressure and man if i miss i cant make the rent.

The funny thing is the defense he will get about the comment and how people will make excuses like they already have started LMAO, and this guy is "pure class" or the persona of pure class---give me a break

 

[jimmyg]

Funny... I don't see what you think he did wrong. It was his match, not yours. When you are in his shoes, you can feel free to handle the situation however you'd like. Until then, shut up.

Generally speaking, professional sports players and teams usually don't quit before their match, or game, is officially over. Baseball teams, regardless of the score, go up for their last at bats, the same with tennis players, golfers, basketball, football....it's universal in professional sports. The only possible acceptable exception are battered boxers no longer able to stand, or see, or others that become injured during a game, and even they usually call a time-out for a trainer and try to complete the match.

I don't know why John didn't finish his matches, maybe he was actually ill and couldn't finish, or maybe he had another valid personal reason. But there are few legitiment reasons for any professional to forfeit a match, and an explaination is definitely owed to the public. IMO

One doesn't have to be in a every situation to recognize and understand unacceptable behavior....sometimes it's very obvious.

Jim

 

[JCIN]

No one is debating whether it is ok to let a little anger out but to say something like THAT to not only one person but "to all the haters" is horrific,,, are you kidding me!!!!

Maybe when i am at a tournament and i miss a ball i will tell my opponent i hope he dies because it is a lot of pressure and man if i miss i cant make the rent.

The funny thing is the defense he will get about the comment and how people will make excuses like they already have started LMAO, and this guy is "pure class" or the persona of pure class---give me a break

Drama queen much?

 

[cincyman]

Drama queen much?

WOw i didnt see you throwing your two cents in on a thread i made a reply:thumbup: that was weird<------sarcasm

And i havent said anything in like 3 months but first time i reply to a "role model" and i am sure your personal hero, for saying he wishes people die i get a smarta$$ reply. Well lets just say i expected it LMAO:thumbup: Good work,,,,,,,, one question if You were playing A guy who missed a ball and you were in the stands and say he turned to you and very sternly and angeredly said "i hope you die" what would you do.


Would you say ............. wait for it...... wait for it



"drama queen much"

Or would you pound his face in??:bash:

 

[trueblu8]

You guys are hilarious.

 

[cincyman]

You guys are hilarious.

I know lol ,, it never fails though apparently i cant have an opinion of someones hero without the SAME people chiming in and i dont know why oh well guess what i will sleep tonight when ever my daughter decides she wants to go back to bed

I am playing golf in the morning----- wait lightbulb over my head If i hit a bad shot maybe i will tell my playing partner i hope he gets struck by lightning and then maybe JCIN will like me and call me a hero:scratchhead: oh nevermind ..........

 

[Fatboy]

i aint got a lick of talent, so i'm not a pro, but my shit smells the same at the end of the day-how someone plays says nothing about who they are or arnt.

 

[stikapos]

i aint got a lick of talent, so i'm not a pro, but my shit smells the same at the end of the day-how someone plays says nothing about who they are or arnt.

FB, you always seem to add something of note. My skin crawls watching Fiejen. Great player, but its like being forced to watch Fats for twenty hours straight. I want to toss after five minutes.
tim