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JA had a little dog in him at Turning Stone. Definitely not the same old Scorpion.
Would like to know how much Johnny has bet on himself out of his pocket. Easy to play on other people's money.
Johnny Archer vs Mike Dechaine, Derby action.
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JA had a little dog in him at Turning Stone. Definitely not the same old Scorpion.
Would like to know how much Johnny has bet on himself out of his pocket. Easy to play on other people's money.
whos the victim here?
are they playing their own money? at one night ? side bets?
someone made a bad deal or what?:groucho:
are they playing their own money? at one night ? side bets?
someone made a bad deal or what?:groucho:
I have to agree 100% with this! Even though I'm not a fan of MD, if JA comes prepared and in stroke,,,, it will be a good match, for sure, but JA is definitely a tad better than MD!
But either way, good luck to both, and my personal opinion is I hope JA drills MD!
If I'm not mistaken JA showed up when he played SVB.
I like JA.... I think He's the better player
I like JA.... I think He's the better player
i'd say dechaine to take 2 of 3. i'll give johnny a set...quite possibly the first one. but i see mike taking the grind. plus, the guy is playing way better than i've seen johnny play lately, but that's just from what i've watched. it'll be a good match regardless, and one that saw some trash talking on facebook from both sides.
this is an easy one
think most be rooting for JA since he a top lad and great guy
however the smart money got to be on MD as his break so strong and Archer not playing all that much or as good anymore
think most be rooting for JA since he a top lad and great guy
however the smart money got to be on MD as his break so strong and Archer not playing all that much or as good anymore
Without a doubt, and if the break is not a major factor Johnny can give him the 9 Ball. Nothing against Mike, he's a good player, Johnny, however, plays even better than Shane when he's focused.
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That was in 2013. In 2014, Dechaine met SVB twice in competition. Mike beat Shane at the 2014 Derby City 9-ball and again at Turning Stone in August.
That means one player would have the 9 and 10 as "money balls" (game winning balls).
That means one player would have the 9 and 10 as "money balls" (game winning balls). They could make the 9 Ball on the break or early combinations to win the game.
Here's a list of other slang words that may be helpful in the "pool world".
SLANG WORDS COMMONLY USED BY ROAD PLAYERS
George- Word that means something is good. “the movie was george” or “the game is george” We also use double george to mean really good. This can be signaled to another Road-Player by putting their hand over their chest.
Tom- The opposite of george and simply means something is bad. If the game is a tom game then you shouldn't play. This can be signaled by brushing your nose with your finger. Double tom for emphasis.
Stalling or laying down- playing “under your speed” , missing balls on purpose or anything to make yourself appear to play less than you really do.
Lemon or lemonade- losing on purpose with the intention of coming back at a later time to beat either the person you played or someone else. Enables you to bet higher because someone already saw you lose and underrates your game. Lemons require you to stall.
Cut Up Money - "split up according to performance"
Jar- means to put something in someones drink to make them play bad and lose. Even if a drink hasn't been opened it can be jarred by shooting the substance in the bottle or can with an insulin needle or syringe.
Spot-book- the book that you keep the names and personal information about someone that tells how to beat them out of the most money, how much they will bet, how much they can be spotted, what they look like, where they play, what game they like and don’t like, and anything else that will help win the maximum money off of them.
Spot-sheet- a piece of paper with all the information you need for a certain location that has information on everyone in the room that has to do with gambling.
Mark- someone that has been targeted to be hustled or conned
Chip- used in reference to drugs that keep you up (amphetamines)
Shortstop- someone that thinks they play well but are not capable of beating any real players.
Steer-man- someone that tells Road-Players where they can go to win money and gives them the information that goes in their spot-book. A good steer-man will make 20% of the winnings for giving a good “steer”.
Stake-horse or backer- someone that puts up the money for a player and usually will split the winnings with the player 50-50 or 60-40 depending on the status of the player and how desperate he is for action.
Bankroll- refers to the money that you have to gamble with. Most gamblers will keep a “roll” of money in their front pocket for show.
Flash- to show a potential mark a roll of money seemingly unintentionally.
Nit- someone that is tight with their money and “won’t bet fat meat is greasy.” “no gambling nit”
Nose open- refers to when a sucker is beyond the point of no return and is chasing his money trying to win it back, but is in a trap and will probably lose all he has and all he can borrow.
Sucker- a loser or someone that always finds a way to lose his money.
Scuffler- someone that hangs around bars or pool rooms looking for suckers that can’t possibly win. They usually make most of their living doing this.
Road-player- the premier pool hustlers. They may go years without losing because they play really well and always know who they are playing before they play. They always have spot-books and access to the best steer-men.
Going off- means losing most if not all of your money gambling
Sharking- to intentionally try to distract your opponent by either saying something or doing something while they are shooting a shot.
Double steer- to give someone a steer to play a certain game, but actually being in with the other person. This is common among hustlers and stake-horses, especially in the big city pool rooms.
Double steer lemon- Pretending to set up a double steer, but actually being in with the first guy for the purpose of getting someone else into a game. Because of the double steer format the winning player would have to split the money with the person setting it up and if it is really a lemon then you are appearing to lose twice as much as you really are and you have the player thinking that he has really won and will tell people that are in with him so that they might get caught up in a future game. This is only done by experienced Road-Players and hustlers.
Dump- to lose a stake-horses money on purpose and splitting it with the player later at a secret meeting place.
Knockers - People that tell others the level of players game so they won't play. Knockers do this to feel important and useful, but as a result keep the action in a pool room to a bare minimum. Knockers are hated by road players.
Detectives - They are like knockers, but sometimes use all the information they come up with to gamble themselves. They know how everyone in town plays and are useful to hustlers because they give them information...sometimes for free, but usually want a "piece of the action" in return.
That means one player would have the 9 and 10 as "money balls" (game winning balls). They could make the 9 Ball on the break or early combinations to win the game.
Here's a list of other slang words that may be helpful in the "pool world".
SLANG WORDS COMMONLY USED BY ROAD PLAYERS
George- Word that means something is good. “the movie was george” or “the game is george” We also use double george to mean really good. This can be signaled to another Road-Player by putting their hand over their chest.
Tom- The opposite of george and simply means something is bad. If the game is a tom game then you shouldn't play. This can be signaled by brushing your nose with your finger. Double tom for emphasis.
Stalling or laying down- playing “under your speed” , missing balls on purpose or anything to make yourself appear to play less than you really do.
Lemon or lemonade- losing on purpose with the intention of coming back at a later time to beat either the person you played or someone else. Enables you to bet higher because someone already saw you lose and underrates your game. Lemons require you to stall.
Cut Up Money - "split up according to performance"
Jar- means to put something in someones drink to make them play bad and lose. Even if a drink hasn't been opened it can be jarred by shooting the substance in the bottle or can with an insulin needle or syringe.
Spot-book- the book that you keep the names and personal information about someone that tells how to beat them out of the most money, how much they will bet, how much they can be spotted, what they look like, where they play, what game they like and don’t like, and anything else that will help win the maximum money off of them.
Spot-sheet- a piece of paper with all the information you need for a certain location that has information on everyone in the room that has to do with gambling.
Mark- someone that has been targeted to be hustled or conned
Chip- used in reference to drugs that keep you up (amphetamines)
Shortstop- someone that thinks they play well but are not capable of beating any real players.
Steer-man- someone that tells Road-Players where they can go to win money and gives them the information that goes in their spot-book. A good steer-man will make 20% of the winnings for giving a good “steer”.
Stake-horse or backer- someone that puts up the money for a player and usually will split the winnings with the player 50-50 or 60-40 depending on the status of the player and how desperate he is for action.
Bankroll- refers to the money that you have to gamble with. Most gamblers will keep a “roll” of money in their front pocket for show.
Flash- to show a potential mark a roll of money seemingly unintentionally.
Nit- someone that is tight with their money and “won’t bet fat meat is greasy.” “no gambling nit”
Nose open- refers to when a sucker is beyond the point of no return and is chasing his money trying to win it back, but is in a trap and will probably lose all he has and all he can borrow.
Sucker- a loser or someone that always finds a way to lose his money.
Scuffler- someone that hangs around bars or pool rooms looking for suckers that can’t possibly win. They usually make most of their living doing this.
Road-player- the premier pool hustlers. They may go years without losing because they play really well and always know who they are playing before they play. They always have spot-books and access to the best steer-men.
Going off- means losing most if not all of your money gambling
Sharking- to intentionally try to distract your opponent by either saying something or doing something while they are shooting a shot.
Double steer- to give someone a steer to play a certain game, but actually being in with the other person. This is common among hustlers and stake-horses, especially in the big city pool rooms.
Double steer lemon- Pretending to set up a double steer, but actually being in with the first guy for the purpose of getting someone else into a game. Because of the double steer format the winning player would have to split the money with the person setting it up and if it is really a lemon then you are appearing to lose twice as much as you really are and you have the player thinking that he has really won and will tell people that are in with him so that they might get caught up in a future game. This is only done by experienced Road-Players and hustlers.
Dump- to lose a stake-horses money on purpose and splitting it with the player later at a secret meeting place.
Knockers - People that tell others the level of players game so they won't play. Knockers do this to feel important and useful, but as a result keep the action in a pool room to a bare minimum. Knockers are hated by road players.
Detectives - They are like knockers, but sometimes use all the information they come up with to gamble themselves. They know how everyone in town plays and are useful to hustlers because they give them information...sometimes for free, but usually want a "piece of the action" in return.
If JA is fully focused it ain't even close from a grind perspective.
If JA starts picking lint and gets under MD's skin it's "Katy, bar the door"..
But if MD stays focused and stays on top from the start he can win.
Should be a very entertaining match and I'm looking forward..
If JA starts picking lint and gets under MD's skin it's "Katy, bar the door"..
But if MD stays focused and stays on top from the start he can win.
Should be a very entertaining match and I'm looking forward..
Much shorter race. Tournament vs Gambling
I guess we will see soon enough
Well said. Let's just sit back and enjoy the show.
If the real JA comes to play,,,,, he is the monster everyone else on this planet fears! He's that good!
Really? He put a 13 pack on Francisco in his prime. Busty asked to double the bet. Johnny said no, and ended up stuck two sets by the end of the night. Getting hit with a 13 pack and asking to double the bet doesn't indicate fear to me....
Attrition more like it. Anyone that expels that much effort is odd's on favorite to not do it again, and Busty got allot of rest in the chair, it was an easy call to double the bet.
If there is a neutral racket,,,, Mike's in for a long night
Mike can't play JA that way! He needs to rack. JA can give Mike the 5 out when it comes to table management!