Johnston City players list

Billy, you went downtown to the Central Club, a historic poolroom that was in OKC for over 75 years. Had the long lunch counter on the right side (good food too). And all the tables were in a row along the left side. Ronnie played golf in there on the snooker table quite often. I'm sure Hayden had an influence on him as well.

Eufala was one of the top players of that era, and Ronnie patterned himself after him to a great degree. When I had the poolroom in Bakersfield in the 70's, Eufala showed up one day just to practice. His daughter lived there, that's why he was in town. I was playing good then but I left him alone! :wink:

Jay,

It didn't seem like a historic pool room at the time.

I had just won the OU snooker tournament with 5 runs in the 7o's plus. The last one 103 and out playing a good player named Dan Hayes. Best Indian player I ever saw.

Saw Womack in JC several times. Had an upright playing style. Good player.

Tuff call on the picture. Sure could be Howard Barrett or Cornbread. Sonny Springer may have still been in prison at that time. 20 years for stealing a railroad conductors watch?

Bill S.
 
For the 50th anniversary (2011) I put together this history:

http://www.onepocket.org/JohnstonCity.htm

That photo that says 1961 appeared in several of the later Johnston City programs -- it made a fun who's who then just as it does now, however, as Freddy pointed out it was not taken in 1961.

Blacks were included as early as 1962 -- the first year they had an all-around.
 
More on Springer

Funny, but he was my first choice for that photo, but I don't think he was in Johnston City that early on. It could be him, but Freddie swears it's Cornbread and he may be right.

This is from an email I got from Starkville, MS some time ago:

...I knew I would be seeing Sonny and I wanted to see if he knew. Well he came in today and I just showed him a print of the picture and asked him if he knew any of the people in the picture. He said oh yea that was in Johnston City and that he had seen the picture some where before (like years ago, for he hasn’t see the book SM&S). He named several of them, The Bear, Squirrel, Danny Jones, Boston Shorty, Daddy Warbucks, and a few others, skipping the person in the center right behind Boston Shorty. When he finished I asked if he knew the two guys on the far right hand side, and he didn’t. Then I pointed to the person behind Boston Shorty, and ask “and who is that?” He just kind of chuckled at me and said “you ought to know just from the ears, why that’s me.”
Professor R H Gilmer

I rest my case.

Ed
 
This is from an email I got from Starkville, MS some time ago:

...I knew I would be seeing Sonny and I wanted to see if he knew. Well he came in today and I just showed him a print of the picture and asked him if he knew any of the people in the picture. He said oh yea that was in Johnston City and that he had seen the picture some where before (like years ago, for he hasn’t see the book SM&S). He named several of them, The Bear, Squirrel, Danny Jones, Boston Shorty, Daddy Warbucks, and a few others, skipping the person in the center right behind Boston Shorty. When he finished I asked if he knew the two guys on the far right hand side, and he didn’t. Then I pointed to the person behind Boston Shorty, and ask “and who is that?” He just kind of chuckled at me and said “you ought to know just from the ears, why that’s me.”
Professor R H Gilmer

I rest my case.

Ed

Ed, we're talking about two different photos. This discussion pertains to the photo on the first page of this thread (post #6).
 
That aint 1961, (only 14 entrants in '61) and the 3rd guy in the middle row aint Howard Barrett, it's CornBread Red. You could always tell by his ears.

Finally, Cisero Murphy was not there for sure, in 1961. However, Chicago's Javenly Youngblood Washington (a great black player) was there. There is even a cartoon image of him in the Sports Illustrated Article.

Beard

61' was the only JC tournament that I missed.

Always nice to read you on this forum, Freddy. It's kind of cool to learn from someone who is actually a player and can relay the happenings of times gone by. :cool:

I'm so glad you have written down your memories for the future generations of pool aficionados. This is exactly what the pool world needs today, and who other should do it than one who has actually walked the walk and talked the talk. That's what makes your written works of art a real treasure trove.

Bravo! Keep posting, and I will keep reading. :)
 
This is from an email I got from Starkville, MS some time ago:

...I knew I would be seeing Sonny and I wanted to see if he knew. Well he came in today and I just showed him a print of the picture and asked him if he knew any of the people in the picture. He said oh yea that was in Johnston City and that he had seen the picture some where before (like years ago, for he hasn’t see the book SM&S). He named several of them, The Bear, Squirrel, Danny Jones, Boston Shorty, Daddy Warbucks, and a few others, skipping the person in the center right behind Boston Shorty. When he finished I asked if he knew the two guys on the far right hand side, and he didn’t. Then I pointed to the person behind Boston Shorty, and ask “and who is that?” He just kind of chuckled at me and said “you ought to know just from the ears, why that’s me.”
Professor R H Gilmer

I rest my case.

Ed

Here is a couple of pics of the aforementioned. Visualize CornBread with a haircut and then you could have a better idea of his ears sticking out.
I seen a picture somewhere where he had short hair and you could see the protuberances.

Beard
 

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Here is a couple of pics of the aforementioned. Visualize CornBread with a haircut and then you could have a better idea of his ears sticking out.
I seen a picture somewhere where he had short hair and you could see the protuberances.

Beard

Freddy, all you have to do is look at the picture from post #6......then look at page 7 (actually page 13) to see a good picture of Red from the program in post #13.

Both the group picture and Red's picture are in that program.
 
Freddy, all you have to do is look at the picture from post #6......then look at page 7 (actually page 13) to see a good picture of Red from the program in post #13.

Both the group picture and Red's picture are in that program.

With those ears a good strong wind could carry him across country like Dumbo.


Beard
 
Maybe

With those ears a good strong wind could carry him across country like Dumbo.
Beard

Sonny gives him a good run for his money in the ears department.

Maybe Diliberto or Junior Goff would have an opinion. I don't think Whitey or the Jockey would be that easy to find.

I think it's definite that Springer was there in 1961.

Good trivia, but as Cleopatra said to Caesar, "I am not prone to argue".


Ed
 
Well, Jay, I'm still trying to find more information on that certain player that so far you've been the only one to recognize out of a small handful of those I've asked. I'll get ahold of him by the end of the weekend to ask a few more questions, unless I can escape the house and go ask him in person tonight. After that, I'd be interested to see how far under the radar he stayed and if there's anybody else on here that may remember running into him. It's one thing to hear stories from a person, it's another to get it from a different angle(a spectator or somebody they played).

I spoke to Charles Ursitti about it, who said that he did compile a list of the various entrants over the years, but its a little hard to find it under 300 tons of billiard history...

Could you help narrow down the search by telling us what year(s) this person would have been there -and what game(s) they played ?
 
I spoke to Charles Ursitti about it, who said that he did compile a list of the various entrants over the years, but its a little hard to find it under 300 tons of billiard history...

Could you help narrow down the search by telling us what year(s) this person would have been there -and what game(s) they played ?

Well, his name's in at least The Lions And The Lambs. The problem there is that the book appears to be hard to find.. and when it's found, it has a price tag of $250+. He was primarily a 9b player back then, I think, or at least for the tournament.

I'll dig through Ursitti's site for a bit. After all, I've got to do some work some time today! :D
 
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