Jump sticks have changed the game
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yep... nailed it.
Of course we'd then have to deal with what techincally would be considered a 'snooker'. I'd default to the 'free ball' rules in actual snooker, but I could see that not sitting well with the pool public. The rule basically says you need to be able to freely cut either side of the OB. The image below is techincally a snooker.
Keeping in mind the declaration of 'snookered' only means the shooter has the option of pulling out the jumper
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Of course. In fact that is what they did before jump cues and what they continue to do after jump cues. Before jump cues people would push to jump shots as well. You say learn to jump with a full cue but if you were the very best in the world at full cue jumping I promise you that I could put a full cue in your hands that make you look like you didn't know how to jump.
A modern jump cue is no different than chalk. You could just as easily say that chalk has changed the game. All a modern jump cue does is make the jump shot a consistent shot and widen the range of makeable jump shots just like chalk widened the range of makeable shots.
then teach them to kick. Kicking systems can be learned in minutes.
i make more money because of jump cues. as i say no jumping when we play . and those with the jump cues usually kick very poorly and sell out cueball in hand..
they play because they want to play and think they have a good game anyway. plus i say i dont have a jump cue and then its like i am spotting you.
if i say lets play shoot out they say i dont play that. so i say i dont play jump cues. works both ways.
they play because they want to play and think they have a good game anyway. plus i say i dont have a jump cue and then its like i am spotting you.
if i say lets play shoot out they say i dont play that. so i say i dont play jump cues. works both ways.
Back in the day, the cloth was more wool than nylon. Allowed for a full ball jump even with the oversized cue ball.
There was an occasion where we started a quarter fifth cent nine ball ring game. Myself a local and a new player. We inquired if the new guy wanted to make it a dollar game, to which he declined. So his first shot he was hooked and jumped a full ball at 12 inches with the big cue ball.(no jump cues back then) Made the shot and ran out. Then he was ready to play for a dollar after making a buck and a half. This led to a fun evening playing with Danny Medina’s cousin.
Jumping just requires practice. Good skills allow for knowing the exact trajectory of the cue ball. Including allowing for the slightest second or third bounces before contacting the object ball.
Lot of systems. May take a few minutes to be shown but not to learn it. I've never had a problem with jumping the ball, i just think the game is better without it or with limits like DCC or jumping only if someone hooks you like Stu's idea. I've shown sub-500 Fargo players how to jump a ball in 10minutes or less. Current jump cues are quite easy to use.
I think Efren's Z kick was after he played a safe but accidentally made a ball.
Isn't that what he said? Pretty clear that ER wasn't trying to make the previous shot. The following Z-kick was luck in the fact he made it. Great kick but he was just trying not to give up bih.
Yes. He raised it to an art form. Kicking both offensively and defensively, sometimes at the same time. He made everyone else learn to kick. BTW, i've never seen the man jump a ball in almost 40yrs of watching him. He also plays safe so well that his opponents often can't even use their short cue.
Do you tell people that you won’t play with them if they use a break cue too?
I have told this story on Efren before but this thread warrants it again. At one of the Reno Sands tournaments around 85-86, Efren played the most amazing safety I had ever seen. With lots of balls on the table there were 3 balls forming a 6” radius semi circle in front of the corner pocket. Efren played the cue ball off the object ball and around the table to find the gap between 2 balls it nudged the bottom ball to the rail and the cue ball stopped in the jaws. The bottom ball rebounded just enough to close the door behind it. Leaving no way to get out. But he shit a ball in doing it and had to shoot from the perfect safety he had laid. Efren elevated and popped the cue ball off the point and into the air to make contact with the object ball and a hook to boot.
The only time I have seen or heard of Efren shooting a jump. Kind of like Quigly Down Under. “Didn’t say he couldn’t just said he didn’t have much use for the jump.”
I read his post as saying that Efren made a ball on a kick before the Z shot.
He didn't kick on the shot before the Z shot.
Really no similarity at all here. The break cue first came into vogue because the break itself was causing too much damage to the cue tip. This had not been an issue in the straight pool era, a game in which the opening break was a safety shot, which is the same reason that snooker players don't require a break cue.
The jump cue came about because some equipment suppliers saw a way to make money selling jump cues. It did not, as some suggest, come into vogue as a response to the switch to Texas Express in about 1982. In fact, it wasn't until about 1998 that many pros carried jump sticks.
I feel pool is a better game without the jump cue. As we just saw at the World Snooker Championships, the fairly even balance between offense and defense is much of the game's fascination. Imagination and billiard knowledge are fundamental to beating an opponent to the shot in snooker. A step in the direction of more offense is a step backwards for pool relative to other cuesports, but I respect the fact that others feel differently.
The nine ball era, which began in about 1979, is split evenly into the roughly twenty years without many jump cues (1979-1999) and the twenty years in which most carried a jump cue (2000-2020). The suggestion of some that pool is more exciting to watch with jump shots doesn't necessarily hold up to scrutiny. Pro event purses today are no higher than they were in the first twenty years and viewership has barely grown at all.
It doesn’t really matter why they came about.
They both serve a unique purpose and make one part of the game easier than it would be without them. Just my .02 worth.
I have to admit that I’d chuckle if someone told me that they’d only play me if I didn’t use a jump cue though.
Just my .02 worth.
I'm cool with your view, Dave, but let's set the record straight. The first break cues were not the super-stiff break cues you see today. They were quite similar to those with which the pros competed.It doesn’t really matter why they came about.
They both serve a unique purpose and make one part of the game easier than it would be without them. Just my .02 worth.
I have to admit that I’d chuckle if someone told me that they’d only play me if I didn’t use a jump cue though.
Just my .02 worth.
The way in which the break cue evolved over the years did, as you suggest, make breaking easier. A few cue manufacturers also developed a masse cue to make it easier to execute masse shots. Pool was starting to become like golf, with different cues for different situations. The powers , presumably the BCA, realized that things were getting a bit silly, and they developed the rule that a competitor can only carry three cues,
I've really only evaluated jump cues from the vantage point of a fan of pro pool but I absolutely understand where you're coming from, Dave.
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Just like jumping with a modern jump cue, minutes to learn the basic skill, years to master.
Why is a game better when you artificially reduce the options for a legal shot?
Not the shot, the tool. Like i've said more than once here, i like DCC's rule: jumping is fine, just use your playing cue. Best tournament in the game and they've done it this way from the beginning.