For dominance and longevity, several players have him beat. How about de Oro, for example?SpiderWebComm said:
Just How Great is Efren Bata Reyes?
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kgeorgia said:
I seriously doubt "The American People" are gonna hate you. I know I am in the minority but I really like Jose Parica's game too. I think he is right up there (still) with Efren, yet his name hardly ever gets mentioned.
That I don't know, I just listed the ones I remember off the top of my head that had huge $ amounts. I know he has a U.S. Open title (have the tape but can't remember who he beat for that), and has been playing on the Asian tour. Seeing how well the Asian players have been doing lately, and with the top Euro players going to those events, that tour is probably as tough as anything in the U.S. and should be included in any title list. Although I don't know how many, if any, he has won.digitalcrack said:
Efren Bata Reyes is a phenomenon, indeed. He has been called by so many names for a reason. When The Magician is at the table, it's like watching perfection play itself.kgeorgia said:
*I also remember watching a number of TV programs that had the sports commentators second guessing what Efren would do in a specific situation (more often than not, difficult positional plays) during the match. And before the end of the competition, the announcers all but gave up in trying to predict what type of shot that The Kid will do. Why so? Because Efren would do the unexpected, the unimaginable, and successfully run out the rack.
If you want to talk "unexpected," don't you think the award should go to Francois Mingaud?kgeorgia said:It is that i am trying to say. There is no "unexpected" shot when you know how to play carom.but yes, what Efren has done on tables has no previous record. And i doubt in the future as well.
kgeorgia said:
I would have to give him credit that his best is probably better than about anyone elses best, but at that level, what does that mean? I dont know if there is a record for most racks ran but I do know that there is one for most balls ran is straight pool and he doesn't own that. I dont even know what his high run is; does anyone have that info? I dont think he owns more world titles or US open titles than anyone else, but there is a reason that many players stay clear of him. I just wish I had some of that reason on film so I could watch it. He was apparently at his best before I got into pool (maybe before I could walk). I feel left out missing what skill caused such stories. I can only compare him to what I see now adays and that is (this is just a guess) 2 wins in the last 5 years or so? In 13 years kids are going to hear how great Tiger is and besides all the super man stories there will be film for them to see it. I sure would like to see some of the comparable footage of the Great Efren. You know you got game when such a high percentage of pros list you as their favorite (considering most pros are fairly self centered when it comes to playing).
Efren Reyes.
Dude you should check out this link on the AZ page for players earning according to AZ.
http://azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showplayer2007.cfm?playernum=228
If you look at any of the other top ten players listed in the last 7 years, he is at the top. The closest ones are Bustamante and Archer in consistency and winnings of 100k in the last 7 yrs. This was his weakest year since 2000.
PROG8R said:
Dude you should check out this link on the AZ page for players earning according to AZ.
http://azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showplayer2007.cfm?playernum=228
If you look at any of the other top ten players listed in the last 7 years, he is at the top. The closest ones are Bustamante and Archer in consistency and winnings of 100k in the last 7 yrs. This was his weakest year since 2000.
Bigtruck said:
I have it on DVD..............
hjs032570 said:
He is a well traveled player isnt he? HOLY CRAP!! He does have quite a few wins here huh? It looks though, like he wins most often over seas and that they have quite a bit more $$ payed out (are those amounts converted to US $$ or are they like wins that pay 50,000 yen and it is like 20,000 US?). He also has a hell of a lot of what looks like special events like the challenge of champs and the asian counter part to that where you either win one or four matches and you win the $$$. I am not trying to take anything away from one player that is looked up to by everyone. By no means. I am actually learning quite a bit about him. Most of his money seems to come from high $$ invitation tourneys. I am not saying that he could not walk through a Florida pro event, but I sure wish I could see him in person or could have seen him in person.
PROG8R said:
Someone here said it best on a prior thread about Efren. Generally when there is a big tourney to be won he goes and gets it. With what you said, he does this for a living, I would be doing the same thing. I cant blame him for not playing here so much. The prize pools here dont seem to be as good as they used to be. It is obvious the game is struggling here and really growing overseas. I like you would love to see him play live. I had one opportunity but he ended up not playing in the event. It was a Joss NE event at a Boston Billiards in Danbury CT. Lots of great names. Rempe, Bustamante, San Souci, Saez, Martinez, Alcano, Sambajon. If I left any other greats out I truly apologize. Efren did not end up playing. Bustamante ended up in the finals with Ginky and he proceeded to roll on Ginky. I think he did a 4 pack on a Race to 7 all ran out, and he won the first game. Busta really had the break down. Ginky came to the table down 5-0. Ginky made a great run at it but Busta was way too hot.
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PROG8R said:
With regards to the Derby City Classic, The Magician holds several championships. These include championships in One Pocket for the years 1999, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007! And Efren did not play in the event from 2000 to 2003, thus the beloved billiards icon is a perfect 5 for 5! And I kid you not!
The soft-spoken Efren Reyes also took the 2005 Championship in the event's 9-ball competition! And the Philippines' favorite son is also the Derby City Classic's All-Around Champion for the years 1999, 2004, 2005, and 2007!
Woah there....
Listen, Athenian, next time you're gonna post something like this without knowing alot of information about Bata... at least get your sources right. Glad that I at least get to correct you.
Don't take it to too personal, but you got to read up a little bit more about him before you can even consider posting something like this.
kgeorgia said:
Listen, Athenian, next time you're gonna post something like this without knowing alot of information about Bata... at least get your sources right. Glad that I at least get to correct you.
Don't take it to too personal, but you got to read up a little bit more about him before you can even consider posting something like this.
djkx1 said:
DOH!!!!!!
PROG8R said:
There is an explanation to that. Efren started his U.S. campaign when he was already about 30. The only noteworthy tournaments in terms of prestige and prize money during those times were held in the U.S. He himself said he was at his peak when he was 20. He stayed in the U.S. only a few months of the year, not the whole year, partly for economic reasons because of the cost, while his American counterparts didn't need to travel long distances to join the U.S. tourneys all year round.
Now, think about it: if Efren started his U.S. campaign at 20 and stayed there the whole time, would he have won more or as many titles as Earl and Mike? Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows?
Look at the biggest tournaments in pool history in terms of money prize:2001 Tokyo Open-$160,000; 2005 IPT King of the Hill-$200,000; 2006 IPT North American 8ball-$300,000; and 2006 IPT World 8ball-$500,000. Efren won 3 of those 4, and is the only player who made the last 6 in all 3 IPT tourneys. Now, tell me, when the stakes are highest, who do you think steps up, even way past his prime?