Justin Bergman said he'll play anyone for $10K min.

JohnnyP said:
Jay, besides himself, what's the weakest part of Earl's game? The break?
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You got the first part right. The second part is obvious to anyone who has watched him play the last few years. He misses too many balls! When he was a dominant player he might miss once in a Race to Eleven. And then it was a tough shot. Nowadays, he might miss anything. He does occasionally have a flashback and play good for a match or two, but he can't sustain it.

You miss three or four times in a Race to Nine, how good are you? Maybe a shortstop speed, if that.
 
jay helfert said:
Now you're talking! No more break and runs five or six racks.
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That's how Justin really has wanted to play all along.

He has offered to play ANYBODY with “Mandatory push out after each break” rules many times before.
He wants to take the break/rack factor out of the equation.
He knows that is the weakest part of his game.

That's why he wants to play magic rack 9 ball 1 on the spot, that way both players make a ball every rack with easy layouts.
It becomes a runout out fest of who can pocket balls and runout the most and not a breaking/racking contest.

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I hope this happens between Johnny and Justin, it would be a lot of fun to watch. I think Justin would be a pretty clear favorite at this point in time.
 
gxman said:
World 9b is it 1b or 9b on the spot?

Also China open?

Also US open 9b?
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For their most recent events -- 1-ball on the spot for the World 9-Ball and the China Open, 9-ball on the spot for the US Open 9-Ball.
 
AtLarge said:
You're asking about Olinger vs. Winters, right?

It was best 2 out of 3 races to 25, 8-Ball on a 7-foot Diamond table.

Olinger won:

Set 1 -- 25-18
Set 2 -- 13-25
Set 3 -- 25-23


[Total -- 63-66]

Scores per terryhanna in this thread: https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?490501&p=6352665#post6352665
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That was a hell of a match with a very intense last few games, it almost came down to one game hill hill with 40k on the line. :yikes:

Shane might of be feeling the pressure a little, he missed a fairly routine ball with the score 24-23 in a race to 25.
 
terryhanna said:
That was a hell of a match with a very intense last few games, it almost came down to one game hill hill with 40k on the line. :yikes:

Shane might of be feeling the pressure a little, he missed a fairly routine ball with the score 24-23 in a race to 25.
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Sad thing is, the player who won more games lost the $$$
Jason
 
jasonlaus said:
Sad thing is, the player who won more games lost the $$$
Jason
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It's all about the formatt.

The player that won 2 out 3 sets got the cash that's how they set the match up from the start.

If they had been playing 10 ahead Alex would have won, he was up 10 at one point .

Who's to say had they been playing a race to 75 that it would have been the same, tuff to come back from 10 games.

Either way what a great match from both players
 
Bob Jewett said:
Template rack and one on the spot... Why don't they just play remotely and see who can beat the ghost better?

Here's a game they could try: The breaker always shoots the second shot on a legal break and he must play a push out. Nine spots on the break. No ball counting, no arguing about the triangle/template/Sardo, no worry about pattern racking and everyone gets a chance every rack. Reward pool knowledge.

Or, you could go with the gaff game on the other player's home table. Hint: it may not be gambling.
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''Roll out'' after the break....best way to play 9 ball....Also, must include loser racks, and use a wooden rack....It speeds up play. The sounds of play must be kept.
The Ball rolling around' in the cup on the putting surface at the Masters is ''special''.
 
Bob Jewett said:
And the specified racking rules will ensure that the wing ball flies into the corner pocket every break shot. Is that how "pool was meant to be played" as well?
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Personally, when you ''assume'' the position as the ''racker'' in a winner break 9 ball game....your one and ONLY job, is to legally give a tight rack, racking the one ball, anywhere on the paper.

ALSO....Take note of which ball patterns don't allow balls to rain in to the pockets, and game on.

WB loser Racks;
(1.) The time one spends gathering balls and placing them in an order so they don't pour in the holes, (2.) the position of the base of the 1 ball, anywhere on the black spot area....(3.) and the time the breaker takes to change cues and ready for the next game are a natural part of this game.

It speeds up play.

This is the true ''animal'' in great 9 ball play.

The breaker, is trying to make a ball on the break, the racker is Legally trying to stop the breaker from making a ball.

This play style/rules, minimizes the wing balls being dead.
 
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jay helfert said:
Like you, I'm an old school guy. We were on the hunt every day just looking for a game and weren't too particular about who, what and where. Just put your stick together and get it on. Let the best man win. I'd walk into a poolroom prepared to play anybody, any game on any table in the house! Most of the time it was 9-Ball back then, One Pocket second most popular (I guess some things never change). Occasionally I played Banks, Eight Ball (almost exclusively on bar tables), and even gambled a few times at Pay Ball on the 10' snooker table, a little Three Cushions and some 14.1 on the East Coast.

Any game was better than no game and we had to adjust to the conditions whatever they were. Table rolls, dead cushions, chipped balls, obstructions, bad cues, all of that. It was all part of the game! My attitude back then was that if I was a better player it would show up no matter what game we were playing. And most of the time I was out there on the lonesome, no one to back me up but myself.

The education I got and the confidence I gained during that time in my life helped me immensely in whatever success I achieved later on.
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And we liked it.
 
Can you explain to me what pattern prevents an opponent from making a ball?


Island Drive said:
Personally, when you ''assume'' the position as the ''racker'' in a winner break 9 ball game....your one and ONLY job, is to legally give a tight rack, racking the one ball, anywhere on the paper.

ALSO....Take note of which ball patterns don't allow balls to rain in to the pockets, and game on.

WB loser Racks;
(1.) The time one spends gathering balls and placing them in an order so they don't pour in the holes, (2.) the position of the base of the 1 ball, anywhere on the black spot area....(3.) and the time the breaker takes to change cues and ready for the next game are a natural part of this game.

It speeds up play.

This is the true ''animal'' in great 9 ball play.

The breaker, is trying to make a ball on the break, the racker is Legally trying to stop the breaker from making a ball.

This play style/rules, minimizes the wing balls being dead.
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Island Drive said:
.... (2.) the position of the base of the 1 ball, anywhere on the black spot area.... ... .
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Just to make sure no one is confused: That is not the current rule. The foot spot is a single point which is often covered by a sticker. The sticker is not mentioned in the rules.
 
PoolBum said:
That would be a very tough game for Justin.
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In his comments, Berg said he'll play Kaci . All kaci has to do is tell him when. Kaci has said during a FB Q&A session that he would be happy to gamble with Bergman. That's after answering questions about his match with Biado.
 
jay helfert said:
It's threads like this that make you realize why Ten Ball has become the game of choice for top players. That one extra ball changes everything! The break is no longer automatic and the run outs become a lot more difficult. For me personally, I'd much rather watch the best players compete at this game than 9-Ball. That said, 9-Ball still has it's place and just by moving the nine to the spot the degree of difficulty on the break is increased. No need to change a lot of rules imo as Sir Jewett has suggested. We don't need to make the game any more complicated than it already is. I've watched enough 9-Ball to know that most of the time the best player finds a way to win in a match, be it long or short. Even in short matches (MC for example) the pressure is ramped up and the weaker player will often falter first.
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Surprised 9 ball hasn't been phased out completely. Seems redundant when 10 ball exists. Or is the motive for keeping it around to get more dead money in tourneys?

Perfect world, maybe full rack rotation on the 10 footer should be THE game? 14.1 is too player unfriendly. Beautiful game, but who (as a player) wants to sit there for an hour or two watching your opponent run 100+ and out? Unless you make it 5 sets of 50 points a game or something.
 
Stay tuned guys we might have a huge match worked out for Bergman :happydance:



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gxman said:
In his comments, Berg said he'll play Kaci . All kaci has to do is tell him when. Kaci has said during a FB Q&A session that he would be happy to gamble with Bergman. That's after answering questions about his match with Biado.
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Kaci is tough action too. I'm not saying Justin can't win, but it would be tough, IMHO. I'd love to see him play either one.
 
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