Justin Bergman said he'll play anyone for $10K min.

terryhanna said:
Stay tuned guys we might have a huge match worked out for Bergman :happydance:



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eagle-eye?
captain america?
 
Bob Jewett said:
Just to make sure no one is confused: That is not the current rule. The foot spot is a single point which is often covered by a sticker. The sticker is not mentioned in the rules.
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Anywhere on the paper, means, ''anywhere on the paper''. In the game of 9 ball it's the ONLY defense one has when in the subservient position of racking for the package, or your ability to stop the bleeding. If your out there playing another person, $80 a rack 9 ball not in your home court, do you think I.... want HIM racking the balls for HIMSELF? NOT

I've never heard of a rule, and hope there is never a rule that lessens the current diameter of a regulation spot size on a 9 foot table.


You serve I rack, I serve you rack.

hate nothing more than seeing a pro rack....their own rack, and then the announcers saying, it's going in the side again and they run out. :boring2:
 
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Can you link to a set of rules that state - Anywhere on the paper?

I would be interest to know more.

Thanks

Island Drive said:
Personally, when you ''assume'' the position as the ''racker'' in a winner break 9 ball game....your one and ONLY job, is to legally give a tight rack, racking the one ball, anywhere on the paper.

ALSO....Take note of which ball patterns don't allow balls to rain in to the pockets, and game on.

WB loser Racks;
(1.) The time one spends gathering balls and placing them in an order so they don't pour in the holes, (2.) the position of the base of the 1 ball, anywhere on the black spot area....(3.) and the time the breaker takes to change cues and ready for the next game are a natural part of this game.

It speeds up play.

This is the true ''animal'' in great 9 ball play.

The breaker, is trying to make a ball on the break, the racker is Legally trying to stop the breaker from making a ball.

This play style/rules, minimizes the wing balls being dead.
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Island Drive said:
... I've never heard of a rule, and hope there is never a rule that lessens the current diameter of a regulation spot size on a 9 foot table. ...
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I think the solution is to play a different game or by different rules.

There is no regulation size of the little sticker that some rooms place at the foot spot. It is not part of the rules.

The foot spot is a point that is the intersection of the long string and the foot string. It is a point. It is not an area.

How you and your gambling opponent agree to play is up to you and your opponent. If you agree to play by the official rules then there is only a single place for the rack, not an area.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think the solution is to play a different game or by different rules.



There is no regulation size of the little sticker that some rooms place at the foot spot. It is not part of the rules.



The foot spot is a point that is the intersection of the long string and the foot string. It is a point. It is not an area.



How you and your gambling opponent agree to play is up to you and your opponent. If you agree to play by the official rules then there is only a single place for the rack, not an area.
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Bob,

Aside from deliberate moving of the rack to defeat the breaker - which is a different issue - what then is the “correct” approach if playing without a template when the balls won’t freeze on the spot but will freeze a little up or down?
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think the solution is to play a different game or by different rules.

There is no regulation size of the little sticker that some rooms place at the foot spot. It is not part of the rules.

The foot spot is a point that is the intersection of the long string and the foot string. It is a point. It is not an area.

How you and your gambling opponent agree to play is up to you and your opponent. If you agree to play by the official rules then there is only a single place for the rack, not an area.
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Often times we would mark the spot either with a small round stick-on (maybe 3/8" in diameter) or just use a magic marker and make a black dot on the cloth. We did it for convenience and a desire to effect the cleanest possible break shot.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Sounds like a bad thing to me. A luck shot. Or a trick shot. Isn't making shots on purpose more admirable?



BTW, GS, one of the links in your signature is broken. Something about stealing from Fox News.
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You honestly believe there is no skill in the break shot, even with a template? Correct fullness of hit, speed, position of cueball and low numbered balls...these things *can* be luck, but they can also be a very skillful endeavor. Having a good break strategy and executing it repeatedly is certainly a skill in my book, and is also "making a shot on purpose".

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Gunn_Slinger said:
Also, I'm not a run-out

player. At my level, getting out on spreads is good enough to get the cash.

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Then with respect, why would you expect to apply your standards to guys that *are* runout players? What works for you and what works for them will likely be different things. They are appreciating nuances that you are not. No offense intended, but I think maybe out could try looking outside yourself.

KMRUNOUT



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jay helfert said:
It's threads like this that make you realize why Ten Ball has become the game of choice for top players. That one extra ball changes everything! The break is no longer automatic and the run outs become a lot more difficult. For me personally, I'd much rather watch the best players compete at this game than 9-Ball. That said, 9-Ball still has it's place and just by moving the nine to the spot the degree of difficulty on the break is increased. No need to change a lot of rules imo as Sir Jewett has suggested. We don't need to make the game any more complicated than it already is. I've watched enough 9-Ball to know that most of the time the best player finds a way to win in a match, be it long or short. Even in short matches (MC for example) the pressure is ramped up and the weaker player will often falter first.
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I really like this way of thinking. I think pool as a runout contest is exciting. I agree the weaker player will feel the pressure of the need to play perfect first. Honestly, I feel like that is a good argument in favor of bar box pool. It's easy enough to play perfect that the focus shifts to the nerves and determination. The pressure is almost higher. Idk I'd say there's something g to this.

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GideonF said:
Bob,

Aside from deliberate moving of the rack to defeat the breaker - which is a different issue - what then is the “correct” approach if playing without a template when the balls won’t freeze on the spot but will freeze a little up or down?
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I move the rack up the table a little with the intent of getting things as tight as possible. Or at least I did. I don't play nine ball.
 
KMRUNOUT said:
I really like this way of thinking. I think pool as a runout contest is exciting. I agree the weaker player will feel the pressure of the need to play perfect first. Honestly, I feel like that is a good argument in favor of bar box pool. It's easy enough to play perfect that the focus shifts to the nerves and determination. The pressure is almost higher. Idk I'd say there's something g to this.

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Stop.

There is absolutely no legitimate argument in favor of more bar box pool.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Stop.

There is absolutely no legitimate argument in favor of more bar box pool.
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Thank you for saying this. Bar table pool allows people with bad strokes to feel they can beat real players. It can become a game of rolls.

Has Shaw responded? I think Justin should allow him to make all the rules and just play. If J wins he is a rockstar.
 
It's on guys, we have a HUGE Action match confirmed with no show money posted up :smile:

August 1st-4th 2019 The South Dakota Kid Shane Van Boening vs The Iceberg Justin Bergman.

Live from Club Billiards in Wichita, Kansas

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Bergman hates his money?

Mike Chapple has mentioned numerous times this will be on a GC.

There has to be something to negate Shane's huge break advantage.
 
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gxman said:
Bergman hates his money?

Mike Chapple has mentioned numerous times this will be on a GC.

There has to be something to negate Shane's huge break advantage.
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Justin wants some action and it's obvious very few players are willing to play him.

Justin bent over backwards to try and make the match with Shaw happen.

He made legit offer to play ANYONE SVB stepped up and accepted now we have a match :clapping:
 
terryhanna said:
Justin wants some action and it's obvious very few players are willing to play him.

Justin bent over backwards to try and make the match with Shaw happen.

He made legit offer to play ANYONE SVB stepped up and accepted now we have a match :clapping:
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Freaking awesome. I wish it was one pocket but this will be fun. Buying the six month package from you guys is one of the best deals ever. Really glad I bought it!
 
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