Justis Case...Pre-Barton or Post-Barton

Ok gotcha...I guess the "are you serious" comment sounded a bit disrespectful...maybe it was just a figure of speech or I took it the wrong way. Thanks for clarifying.



I think we are on the same page here. We are saying the same thing.



Again, I agree with you. I said (less clearly than you) that making those types of changes (with the cue analogy) would be reasonably prohibited by the warranty. I guess the questions remains if the liner of the case in some way contributes to the overall structural integrity. It sounds like you are suggesting that changing inlays in a cue is the same level of invasiveness as sliding out a case liner? The cue modifications seem like something far more invasive and requiring skill to me. That is why I see a distinction there. As for the collectibility, isn't that an issue for the case owner to decide to deal with or not? I suppose you could look at it as the manufacturer trying to support and enhance the branding of their product or something?



Hmm...there are LOTS of industries built around this very concept. What about the giant aftermarket car parts industry. There are millions of engine parts one can buy to modify their small block Chevy engine, for example. Now granted this certainly must void that warranty, but doesn't necessarily make it "wrong". Also, by JB offering his product, that seems to me to only *increase* the chances of Justis selling a case. I bought a larger capacity battery for my HP laptop. The battery is not made by HP. The computer works better now. I was thinking of getting a new laptop (definitely NOT HP due to crappy battery among other things). However the new battery breathed a bit of new life into this product. Is that a bad thing?



What you describes sounds like the minimum expectation of customer service. Anyone can be nice when people are nice to them. As you mention, the specific alterations are not the point here. True "service" is selfless. I guess I take a more Christian view of the idea..."love your enemy, turn the other cheek" and such. Being nice to people even if they are not nice to you. There may be some upfront costs associated with this view, but in the long run it rarely costs anyone to do this. Though I realize it is a very high expectation and many will not see it as worth shooting for. It certainly isn't the view the typical business person takes.

In any case thanks for the reply. It is always interesting to see how different people approach a situation...I think that is why we all enjoy forums. Without differing opinions this board would sure be boring.

Thanks again,

KMRUNOUT



We can just agree to disagree respectfully, maybe by doing so others could possibly take notice and follow suit in their future dealings with others, hopefully we may even start a new trend.:)

Have a great night and also thanks for your respectful and insightful reply!! :)
 
We can just agree to disagree respectfully, maybe by doing so others could possibly take notice and follow suit in their future dealings with others, hopefully we may even start a new trend.:)

Have a great night and also thanks for your respectful and insightful reply!! :)

Sounds like a plan friend.

KMRUNOUT
 
I have faith in Justis Cases. If anyone loses their lifetime warranty due to using one of our interiors then I will be more than happy to pick up the slack and extend a lifetime warranty on those Justis cases as well.

This applies to as long as Jack is actively making cases or if someone takes over his brand.

I am pretty confident that Jack Justis processes very few warranty claims, he has said so many times. I am also confident that 99.99% of the time the interior can be changed without any damage whatsoever to the case.

So, should anything fail on a Justis case that needs to be fixed then I will have it fixed if Jack won't. At my cost.

I hope that this will put the discussion surrounding this to rest. Much ado about nothing. My take on it is that if you don't want people to change things then don't make it easy to change things. Our interior takes four people to put it in the case. It takes us another hour to put the bottom on. Whitten is the same way. I once took a Whitten apart and it was hard to take it apart without damaging the case. I was highly impressed with the clever way they put it together.

To be honest I am never very impressed by any product I buy if it is super easy to take apart. I want things to be well designed and as seamless as possible. But the upside to buying things which are easy to take apart is that they are easy to modify. And I am the type of guy who modifies my stuff constantly to suit my needs. Always have been since I was a kid. I was the kid who ran a bike shop out of our storage room and could fix up just about any bike by cobbling together something from the parts I collected.

I have never been afraid to modify my cues with new ferrules, tips, wraps, joints, or whatever suits me. Then again I am not a collector. I don't buy things with the idea that I might someday sell them for more than I paid. I buy things to use them right now and I want those things to work the way I please. I don't care one bit about the manufacturer's feelings, or the cue maker's feelings, or the case maker's feelings when it comes to my products. If they want to retain ownership of the stuff I use then perhaps they should just rent it to me cheaply so that I can use it as long as I want to pay rent and the return it when I find something else I like better.

Now Mike Webb started a thread about whether cue maker's should modify the work of others as in inlaying another maker's cues.

After going through the thread this is what I had to say about it;



So what this means to me in this situation is that if someone said to me that they wanted me to take a Justis and replace the pockets, put some engraving on it, change the lid, stuff like that, I would refuse that work. But if they just want an interior change that is non-intrusive then I see no problem with that.

Anyway, like I said, I will pick up the slack on the Justis warranty because I am certain that the actual claims are very rare.

Best to all of you.

Good to see another company or competitor doing warranty work for others like Justis.

This will definitely boost Justis and the case making industry.

Too bad we can't say the same for cue makers.
 
jack is tops in the cue case business....he stands behind his product and takes care of every customer....i know from first hand....he allways goes out of his way to make them happy...me personaly i have never had a cue get damaged in any case that i have owned...take care of your stuff and it will take care of you...:thumbup:

Agreed, I have been using Justin cases since 1994 and have caried cues from just about every high end cue maker on the planet (Searing, Showman, Moble, Tascarella, SW, Gina, Barenbrugge, Bender, SugarTree, McWorter... and the list goes on and on, I am a cue swapping whore:thumbup::thumbup:) and I have never damaged a cue. This includes both the older tube stype justis and the newer inside materials. No problems here in my opinion.

I think John makes great cases as well, just love the clean lines of the Justis cases.

-don
 
I just don't get it....

Why would someone want to put a Yugo interior into a Rolls Royce? :grin:
 
Mr. Barton I am w/ Mr. Justis....You Give Me a Migraine. I respect your opinion and certainly your product. I work in sales and make my living through shameless self promotion and spin control, but you sir are on a whole new level. With my annoyance on this thread sufficiently stated, I will say this. You make a GREAT case!!! I got one about a year ago and I could not be happier w/ the quality of the case, the looks and styling and the protection. If or when I fall and a truck runs over my cue and case, I will then chime in on your claims....until then I will simply enjoy the product that I chose to be the best fit for my needs and ignore all of the useless rhetoric.
 
Mr. Barton I am w/ Mr. Justis....You Give Me a Migraine. I respect your opinion and certainly your product. I work in sales and make my living through shameless self promotion and spin control, but you sir are on a whole new level. With my annoyance on this thread sufficiently stated, I will say this. You make a GREAT case!!! I got one about a year ago and I could not be happier w/ the quality of the case, the looks and styling and the protection. If or when I fall and a truck runs over my cue and case, I will then chime in on your claims....until then I will simply enjoy the product that I chose to be the best fit for my needs and ignore all of the useless rhetoric.

Well I think that the migraines given to each other these past few years are just about equal. Jack is better at it :-) He is able to keep my up all night typing 20,000 words with just a few words of his own.

Regarding controlling the message and not allowing others to negatively define my product all I can say there is that I have read all the books and I ignore them for the most part. The only difference is that I will turn a case over with a $10,000 cue in it. That cue stays put until you want it out of the case. That's the only spin I am really worried about.

Thanks for the compliments. Let's hope you never need the protection we built into your case. :-)
 
I must be pyschic. When I saw the title of the thread I wondered "how will this thread turn out?". Imagine my surprise (NOT) when it turned out exactly as I had envisioned it. :rolleyes:

All of this crap is a broken record titled Same Stuff Different Day. I never lose hope that Jack will one day take the high road and not respond in these threads.
 
You need to aim higher UrackmIcrackm

I must be pyschic. When I saw the title of the thread I wondered "how will this thread turn out?". Imagine my surprise (NOT) when it turned out exactly as I had envisioned it. :rolleyes:

All of this crap is a broken record titled Same Stuff Different Day. I never lose hope that Jack will one day take the high road and not respond in these threads.

I never lose hope that every one will one day take the high road and not respond in these threads!!!
 
What is wrong with discussing the pros and cons of products we consume? As long as it's done in a civil manner then I don't see an issue. It's when people get all emotional as if you just told them their baby is ugly that these threads go down hill.

The original poster asked a fair question. Which Justis interior is better? Other people chimed in to say that they were happy with their JB Case upgrade.

All in all it's been very civil and I think that people have a deeper understanding of how cases are built, which protection levels are offered and what service levels are offered.
 
What is wrong with discussing the pros and cons of products we consume? As long as it's done in a civil manner then I don't see an issue.





The only Problem I see is using the PC Word "ISSUE", too me Issue is like a copy of this.
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No I personally see ZERO PROBLEM with Civilly Talking Pro, Cons, Strengths, and Weaknesses of any product, or idea even CTE-aka Center To Edge Aiming System:)

Just not in the Wanted & For Sale Section, hijacking someone ads. But than that is against the Forum Rules.
 
Before I started posting and lurking this forum, I didn't know who Jack Justis was and who John Barton was. It was until I started to participate and asked questions that I knew who these two individuals were.

John has answered all my questions in previous threads with the respect and his willingness to help. I respect that.

Jack has responded to one of my questions, and I paraphrase, " Do you get sexual gratification by shaking cases...."...yes, those were his exact words. If I saw Jack at a booth,wouldprobably flip that old man's table and get kicked out....lol. I have too much class to do that anyways....I would probably give him a box of Kamui chalk...for those who know what I am talking about.

Anyways, I have owned many cases dating back to the 90's and everyone of those case, the cue would rattle.

Fast forward to '11....someone has created something that I thought of in the past....guess what?!....he happens to be one of the designers for Instroke, a brand that everyone carries today.

Barton has got something right......

Certainly, Sterling or JB cases should be as respected as a Kamui chalks...sorry I mean Justis cases.

Regards,

DP


P.S. Kamui chalks are expensive, so they must work.
 
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Jack has responded to one of my questions, and I paraphrase, " Do you get sexual gratification by shaking cases...."...yes, those were his exact words. If I saw Jack at a booth,wouldprobably flip that old man's table and get kicked out....lol. I have too much class to do that anyways....I would probably give him a box of Kamui chalk...for those who know what I am talking about.

It's called a joke...he was poking fun at you for your shaking the case test. Google "sense of humor", you might be surprised at what you find out.
 
This seems like a relevant time to bring this thread to the top for those interested in reading about case construction and cue protection.
 
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