Kamui Chalk discussion

If we can get a group of people to kick in for the cost of a lab to analyze the ingredients, I'll start the pot and offer to throw in $100 just out of sheer curiosity (hey, I can't pay the whole bill - I'm one of the guys who won't even spend $30 for my own cube! lol).

I imagine it couldn't be too expensive to have that done, could it? Anyone here have any experience with such things?



Actually, it could be as simple as requesting an MSDS sheet on the chalk...... :thumbup:


EDIT: Apparently billiard chalk does not require an MSDS sheet. Anybody know someone at OSHA? We could get that changed....... :thumbup:

EDIT2: Uncertain about the status of the requirement....anybody want to request an MSDS on it? It's worth a shot...... :grin-square:
 
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I do. But not commercially, only academically. I would expect such a thing to be a bit pricey from a commercial lab actually.....but I don't know.

They could do some spectrum analysis. That's a start.

Anybody in materials sciences at a university? We could get it done for free if an AZBer is in materials sciences at a university.......


Heck I could probably do some simple spectral analysis here at my desk. I have a Bic lighter...... :wink:

I could have some put under an electron microscope....:thumbup: But we quite frankly wouldn't know what the heck we were looking at anyway..... :( I'm just not in that end of the sciences.....now if it were a mitochondrion or something I could help......

It would definitely be very expensive...cos you don't know what you are looking for...if you know what you are looking for specifically then it would cheaper. Breaking down the "recipe" is a whole new game..cos it's more trial and error..cos they need to break down the all thing and identify them one by one..
I'm not a science major and i failed science miserably in high school...i'm just giving my feedback from my experience in sending various Plastics for testings so i could still be wrong..;)
 
Its phenominal -

Only 2 things make a difference in that ( 1 one thousand of a second ( chalk and the tip collide- ) A good tip and good Chalk-

This is where all the broomsticks Jokes come from. thanks mark
 
Not at all, just having fun! :thumbup: :D


Sorry, didn't read the rest of your post, just what I quoted. :grin-square:

You shoulda finished it. The send-off was particularly good, in a remarkable 'lacking in self-awareness' type way -

Now are you going to continue the silly arguing, your characterization, or are you going to let it go?

Genius.
 
You shoulda finished it. The send-off was particularly good, in a remarkable 'lacking in self-awareness' type way -



Genius.

No, Genius, the "silly argument" comment was because Chopdoc said it's silly to argue over the tactile feeling of chalk. I.e. he said he wouldn't argue about it and then proceeded to argue about it.

I am however surprised that you haven't uttered a word yet about how $30 is going to destroy pool and drive everyone from the game. If a $50 instructional video made by a world champion sends you into a tailspin then $30 chalk must be making your blood boil.

I was waiting on the inevitable comparison to snooker and how snooker players do just fine with .15ct chalk..........and how you talk to hundreds of snooker players every day and none of them talks about chalk and how all us pool players are just stupid for even considering such a thing as $30 chalk.

Isn't that what's really on your mind?
 
No, Genius, the "silly argument" comment was because Chopdoc said it's silly to argue over the tactile feeling of chalk. I.e. he said he wouldn't argue about it and then proceeded to argue about it.

I am however surprised that you haven't uttered a word yet about how $30 is going to destroy pool and drive everyone from the game. If a $50 instructional video made by a world champion sends you into a tailspin then $30 chalk must be making your blood boil.

I was waiting on the inevitable comparison to snooker and how snooker players do just fine with .15ct chalk..........and how you talk to hundreds of snooker players every day and none of them talks about chalk and how all us pool players are just stupid for even considering such a thing as $30 chalk.

Isn't that what's really on your mind?

No. I'm sure even you can see that's a specious line of reasoning and a risible comparison.

Snooker players use green masters, that is all. Snooker players do limit themselves in their stuck-in-the-mud ways, however. Their insistence on using Elks is crazy IMO. They simply cannot believe a tip like a Kamui CAN cost $30, let alone want to buy one.
 
I have a confession

During a warm up session on the TV table, I managed to miscue using Kamui chalk. This happened once during the two days of play, this weekend.

In defense of Kamui Chalk, I was applying traditional English with some wrist twist swoop English and a tad of body English. I guess it was just too much for Kamui Chalk to bear. :D

I'm wondering now if there is really any sense in me doing my signature shot test with Kamui Chalk. Bob Jewett will undoubtedly do his tests under pristine laboratory conditions. Mine will just be a hack's meager attempt to see for himself if the Kamui chalk can actually reduce cue ball deflection. I'm not going to set up stringent laboratory conditions. If I do it I will do it under playing conditions.

I was going to do a write-up for Bob just for fun as if he had made the tests and he was reporting it but I value his opinion and don't want to make light of his work.
 
No. I'm sure even you can see that's a specious line of reasoning and a risible comparison.

Snooker players use green masters, that is all. Snooker players do limit themselves in their stuck-in-the-mud ways, however. Their insistence on using Elks is crazy IMO. They simply cannot believe a tip like a Kamui CAN cost $30, let alone want to buy one.

I'm a Tweeten fan...but I found that the climate of 'Merry Olde' favors
their Triangle brand. I tended to mis-cue with Masters from the rail...
..Triangle solved the problem.
So if I'm playing where it is humid, like 'Nawlins', I switch to Triangle.

For me, the quality of Tweetens has been reliable enough that I feel
no need to change....I've even followed this chalk through a name
change, unknowingly.
 
Only 2 things make a difference in that ( 1 one thousand of a second ( chalk and the tip collide- ) A good tip and good Chalk-

Weeeeeeell ... I guess everything concerning the travel of the cue to [and through] the cue ball (line of travel, angle of travel, speed, etc., etc.) might matter at the moment of impact.
 
Well, unfortunately I received my cube of chalk today from Darcy.
Now, I want everyone to know that if it hadn't of been Darcy (CueJo) selling it, I wouldn't have bought it.

This will force me to go out tonight and try it out. There is no way its sitting on my dresser staring at me until league on Tuesday.

Chalk = $25
Monday night trying it out = $50

See, this chalk has already cost me $75

I had a look. I was expecting a very pasty chalk as described. Maybe pasty once applied. Just feels very very fine to me.

I hope I don't have to post later and admit that I am the newest Kamui chalk fan. I can only eat so many of my words in one week.

Seriously tho, its going on a new Black King tip so I do actually expect decent results. And we all know that the all new Black King tips are way better than Kamui tips, right?
 
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Well, unfortunately I received my cube of chalk today from Darcy.
Now, I want everyone to know that if it hadn't of been Darcy (CueJo) selling it, I wouldn't have bought it.

This will force me to go out tonight and try it out. There is no way its sitting on my dresser staring at me until league on Tuesday.

Chalk = $25
Monday night trying it out = $50

See, this chalk has already cost me $75

I had a look. I was expecting a very pasty chalk as described. Maybe pasty once applied. Just feels very very fine to me.

I hope I don't have to post later and admit that I am the newest Kamui chalk fan. I can only eat so many of my words in one week.

Seriously tho, its going on a new Black King tip so I do actually expect decent results. And we all know that the all new Black King tips are way better than Kamui tips, right?

I have to admit that I also ordered some. I was ordering some stuff and as per usual I spend $50 to get the free shipping. Funny that I will spend an extra $30 to knock off that $5 in shipping. I figured eh why not give it a whirl. If I dont like it it's not like I can't sell it unlike all the tips I have tried for one day and ripped off
 
I believe that the last sentence in my post implies that I have not.

However, I guess that claim would not be entirely true. I did hit balls for a few minutes using it at last year's BCA tournament in Vegas. While I did notice the obvious differences in color, consistency, etc., I can honestly say that I noticed no real difference to speak of in how it actually felt while playing. But, again, this is coming from all of about 10 minutes using it. I probably need more time with it to give it a fair shake.

To answer JoeyA's question, I would most definitely pay $30 for the chalk if the claim that it would help me pocket balls better were true, but I have my doubts that the laws of physics would even support that claim. I'm no physicist though, so perhaps someone else (Bob Jewett?) could chime in and let us know if that would even be possible.

Lastly, I keep seeing comparisons to seemingly over-priced cars in the various threads concerning Kamui chalk. First, someone in this thread said that no one complains about the cost of Mercedes or BMW. As an owner of an E350, I can tell you that is not true at all. My sanity has been questioned on more than one occasion because of the higher maintenance costs, as well as the fact that that many people believe that you could buy a car that arguably performs as well for easily half of the cost. So, again, not true. People do question the cost of luxury cars.

With that said, I have two more points to make about the car comparisons. First, it's patently absurd to make the comparison in the first place. It's chalk. It isn't a luxury automobile, or even a Yugo, for that matter.

Second, and this is where the comparison gets really fun, is that $30 for a cube of chalk does not compare to the relative cost of a Mercedes or BMW or any other "common" luxury car. If a chalk like Master would be on par with, say, a Honda Accord (which it would almost certainly be at least that), and I can get a box of 144 pieces for the cost of 1 piece of Kamui chalk, it doesn't take much to figure out that you're looking at a car that our resident gozillionaire Fatboy might have to think long and hard about whether or not to spend that much money on. Let's see, cost of a new Honda Accord is around $25k, multiply that by 144, and we have $3,600,000. That's only about $1.2M more than a new Bugatti Veyron Super Sports. Sooooo ... in one corner, we have a new Bugatti with $1.2M sitting in the glove box, and in the other corner we have Kamui chalk. Doesn't seem like a very fair comparison to me.

Edit: I figured I'd add that you could get the el cheapo base model of the Veyron for about $1.7M or, comparatively speaking, like a half a cube of Kamui Chalk. :D

I love my car!
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and my chalk!
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Maybe it's because the colors match...

Anyway, I think the tip (I use a Sniper) and your cue shaft (Tiger Ultra X) will have more to do with spin, deflection, throw, than the chalk itself. It would seem the more grip you get on the cueball, the more swerve you're likely to get. I agree, Bob Jewett and Dr Dave need to check out all the major brands of chalk!
 
If more swerve with Kamui chalk, then theoretically, at least, less effective squirt.

More than likely, some players will notice an aiming adjustment reduction by using Kamui chalk (when using side spin). However, some really good players don't believe in squirt. :p:p:p

Now if Kamui chalk could only send that cue ball in a straight line while using only the vertical axis of the cue ball, my game would finally come together. :D:D:thumbup:
 
If more swerve with Kamui chalk, then theoretically, at least, less effective squirt.

More than likely, some players will notice an aiming adjustment reduction by using Kamui chalk (when using side spin). However, some really good players don't believe in squirt. :p:p:p

Now if Kamui chalk could only send that cue ball in a straight line while using only the vertical axis of the cue ball, my game would finally come together. :D:D:thumbup:

Too bad they don't make chalk for the brain! :grin:
 
I love my car!
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and my chalk!
bluediamond.jpg


Maybe it's because the colors match...

Anyway, I think the tip (I use a Sniper) and your cue shaft (Tiger Ultra X) will have more to do with spin, deflection, throw, than the chalk itself. It would seem the more grip you get on the cueball, the more swerve you're likely to get. I agree, Bob Jewett and Dr Dave need to check out all the major brands of chalk!

If you think your car matches BD chalk, you are color blind!!! It matches my GF's new car much better.

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If more swerve with Kamui chalk, then theoretically, at least, less effective squirt.

More than likely, some players will notice an aiming adjustment reduction by using Kamui chalk (when using side spin). However, some really good players don't believe in squirt. :p:p:p

Now if Kamui chalk could only send that cue ball in a straight line while using only the vertical axis of the cue ball, my game would finally come together. :D:D:thumbup:

For myself I doubt that I would have to adjust much as I rarely use more than one tip of English on anything, but then again I haven't gotten my cube so what do I know.

I finally broke down and ordered a cube as an experiment. My rhythm breaks when I chalk up so if I can chalk once per rack it may help. A lot of times I chalk once per rack using Masters chalk, but that is only if I am making all shots in the general center of the CB (within 1 tip of center).

I will give an honest review when I get to work on this stuff.
 
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