Keith and Shane

hemicudas said:
Of course it is, Vagabond. For his age???? Give me a break. The "Greatest" bar table player that ever lived deserves more respect than that. Twenty plus years deserves at least 5 on the wire but I think Keith might take the 7 ball on the big table and maybe the 8 ball on the bar box.

Respect, class, get you some, Shane. A little heart wouldn't hurt either.
Hey Hemi,

That "for his age" thing didn't show alot of class. I hope he doesn't draw Efren on the one loss side. He's older than Keith. Shane will probably think he has the nuts.

Mike
 
Mike Templeton said:
Hey Hemi,

That "for his age" thing didn't show alot of class. I hope he doesn't draw Efren on the one loss side. He's older than Keith. Shane will probably think he has the nuts.

Mike
keep your head up shane we are cheering for you! i don;t think the "for his age" thing was meant to show disrespect; look at the top of his comment...good match keith
 
Southdakotakid said:
keith played pretty good for his age and i respect his game very well. I know and keith would probably know that some people could not play very well in tournament but can gamble very good. keith is a very well good player and pool star. ;) and jam is right i wish i would not played on the t.v. table, i was a little nervous, it would be better to play where everybody else is playin. good shootn keith :)

Such a wordsmith too. Better hope your, night job, never fails you.
 
The Kids OK...

Mike Templeton said:
Hey Hemi,

That "for his age" thing didn't show alot of class. I hope he doesn't draw Efren on the one loss side. He's older than Keith. Shane will probably think he has the nuts.

Mike
Knowing Shane I know he meant no disrespect for Keith personaly or for Keiths game. Shane lives to play and if he is awake it's action center. Now you rail birds gotta respect that...

Ask Keith if he likes the kids attitude. Sounds to me like they are birds of a feather.
 
hemicudas said:
Such a wordsmith too. Better hope your, night job, never fails you.
i think you are just a loser who has time on his hands....to dis some one who point blank said he respected keith and his game......get a life or better yet go jump off a bridge and do humanity some good
 
Everybody play nice until Shane gets a chance to respond to his original posts' meaning. He may not have meant anything at all. ;)
 
Right before Keith and Shane were getting ready to do battle, I was watching the South Dakota Kid warming up on the TV table. He was firing in balls with authority as if they were duck soup, and then when the lines were dropped making Keith a one-game dog in the set, I thought, man, we're in for a tough night ahead.

I had mixed feelings about Keith playing his second match on that TV table. His first match, they put him on that TV table as well. So far, Keith hasn't played a set on the other tables which have TIGHTER pockets. The TV table's pockets are 3-1/6ths of an inch LARGER than the rest. However, since it is underneath the bright lights, it is dry. Due to the humidity here in Chesapeake Beach, with the front door opening 24/7 for folks coming in and out of the place, I think the front tables roll differently than the back tables in the large tournament room.

Shane did play GREAT that set. Keith didn't give him very many opportunities to strut his stuff. Even though he kept coming up empty on the break, he made up for it when he did get to the table by running out. And believe me, Keith was worried about Shane catching a gear and gaining momentum in the set. This night, Keith came out on top.

I've gotta agree with Shane, though, that it's a tough environment to play on that TV table. The bright lights, TV cameras, and audience are an intimidating factor, even for the veteran players. I have seen Mika Immonen come into the tournament room on the offs, and when nobody is playing on the TV table, he is practicing as often as he can on that particular table. I'm thinking Mika may be preparing himself and envisions himself in the finals. The spectators who watched his match with Paez said that Mika was playing flawlessly.

Each table will play a little differently, and I think that the players who are able to adapt their game quickly will succeed. This comes with experience. Shane's got his whole pool life ahead of him to make his mark, and it looks like he's got some great support in his corner. I wish him the best. He is a nice kid. I don't think he meant any disrespect to Keith from the earlier post. As we all know, sometimes the written word can be misconstrued.

Good luck to Shane. Last year, Keith got knocked in the losers' side his very first round, and the year before, he came in third place. Funny things happen in a race to 11, and in 9-ball a player must bring their best game to the table, but a little luck doesn't hurt either. :p

JAM
 
I guess that means Mika and Barry made up. Did Mika get paid?
 
onepocketchump said:
I guess that means Mika and Barry made up. Did Mika get paid?

I'm not sure if they "made up," but this U.S. Open is just too good to miss out on. Being that it is a UPA-sanctioned event, the UPA Touring Pros, which Mika is one, want to get those precious ranking points. So they are all here in full force hoping to keep their standing or at least rise to the top.

I've gotta say that I was a little hesitant when I found out that this Open was going to be UPA-sanctioned. I will be the first to admit that I did not like the early days of the UPA for a variety of reasons, some of which did affect my pool journey with Keith McCready.

There is a new-and-improved UPA currently. Though the tour is not as big as the WPBA women's tour quite yet, they are making strides. The early years did have quite a few hiccups which rubbed folks the wrong way. As with any young organization, there are going to be mistakes made and lessons to be learned. I'm not a strong UPA fan yet, but I do recognize the efforts the UPA has made in recent times to meet the needs of its players. It ain't perfect, but it is much better. The current UPA members do seem to like this organization and support it. So, as time goes on, the UPA will hopefully keep getting better. I have to give kudos to the men's governing body of professional pool. Having them sanction the Open is truly a good thing for the game/sport. JMHO, FWIW

JAM
 
Supercue

hemicudas said:
Of course it is, Vagabond. For his age???? Give me a break. The "Greatest" bar table player that ever lived deserves more respect than that. Twenty plus years deserves at least 5 on the wire but I think Keith might take the 7 ball on the big table and maybe the 8 ball on the bar box.

Respect, class, get you some, Shane. A little heart wouldn't hurt either.

Shane is my grandson and in response to your last statement; Anyone who has played Shane, win or lose,like him and have good things to say about him as he does about them. I'm sure Keith would agree. He has been taught to play the game like a gentleman and I believe he is very much a class act. As far as heart, a come from behind winner shows heart and Shane is just that.When you can win the national VNEA title two years in a row winning the last one (04) after losing the first match. "that takes heart"
Before being so critical of Shane ,meet him and have a little visit . I think you too will like and respect him as he is a nice young man.
At two,Shane showed unbelieve talent and his determination to be a class player has been intense. As a student,its been a joy to work with him on his game.
Anyone who wants to see an unbelieveable picture of Shane at TWO YEARS old ,the first time he ever touched a cue, Just E-mail me and I'll send you the picture. supercue@rushmore.com "You'll love it "
Your Friend and pool player for 68 of my 78 years
Supercue
 
Meant no disrespect to Kieth

hemicudas said:
Such a wordsmith too. Better hope your, night job, never fails you.
I'm sure by now most people in the pool world know Shane is hearing impaired, which in most cases means he misses alot of the conversation, by in turn he also doesn't enunciate the words he is trying to say correctly. By any stretch of the imagination, he surely didnt mean Kieth any disrespect, in his mind he was paying Kieth a compliment. Hemicuda, I have no doubt your pool knowledge vastly outshines your pool abilities, and being a Kieth supporter, I'm sure you took some offense to Shanes statement. It would be safe to say that I cannot judge your character as a person by the ignorance of your comment, and having never met you, I wont, but try to extend him the same courtesy.
 
JJsooted said:
I'm sure by now most people in the pool world know Shane is hearing impaired, which in most cases means he misses alot of the conversation, by in turn he also doesn't enunciate the words he is trying to say correctly. By any stretch of the imagination, he surely didnt mean Kieth any disrespect, in his mind he was paying Kieth a compliment. Hemicuda, I have no doubt your pool knowledge vastly outshines your pool abilities, and being a Kieth supporter, I'm sure you took some offense to Shanes statement. It would be safe to say that I cannot judge your character as a person by the ignorance of your comment, and having never met you, I wont, but try to extend him the same courtesy.

First, a minimum of 3 people thought Shane's remarks were, at least, challenging Keith to gamble with the phrase, "keith played pretty good for his age". Whether Shane knew this wording insinuated Keith couldn't beat a good player, which Shane is, as young as himself, I do not know, nor does anyone other than Shane.

Second, Shane is young and I guess it is possible that he didn't think through the wording of his "compliment".

Third, Danny Deliberto, who announced the match with Buddy Hall, didn't know who Shane was. He said he had never heard of him and kept calling him by the wrong name. I had heard of Shane and how well he played but when you say that most people know of Shanes hearing impairment and the problems that can manifest from it I don't think you are right. I didn't know about it and I don't believe many others did either or it would have been mentioned during the match.

Fourth, Now that I know of Shane's hearing problems I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant no disrespect toward Keith and wish him well in the rest of the tournament.

Unless,,, he has to play my home town favorite, Reed Pierce and that I think you can understand...............
 
Tight Pockets...

JAM said:
I had mixed feelings about Keith playing his second match on that TV table. His first match, they put him on that TV table as well. So far, Keith hasn't played a set on the other tables which have TIGHTER pockets. The TV table's pockets are 3-1/6ths of an inch LARGER than the rest. However, since it is underneath the bright lights, it is dry. Due to the humidity here in Chesapeake Beach, with the front door opening 24/7 for folks coming in and out of the place, I think the front tables roll differently than the back tables in the large tournament room.



JAM

JAM,

Good luck to you and Keith. Keith looks in good form, that's for sure.

The pockets look pretty tight to me - any idea of the exact measurements?

Chris
 
hemicudas said:
Fourth, Now that I know of Shane's hearing problems I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant no disrespect toward Keith and wish him well in the rest of the tournament.
JJsooted,

I have known of Shane's disability for a while, having a hearing impaired daughter myself, and loving pool like I do. I would think that Shane meant what he said, but hopefully he didn't realize it. He, if anyone, should know that you should pick your words and be careful of how you say things about people. Being hearing impaired, I'm sure he has caught people saying things in a derrogatory manner and then try to explain that they did not intend the statements the way that they were taken. Having a hearing impaired daughter, I hope that, if anything, she learns to be careful in picking her words and I hope she tries hard not to say things to hurt other peoples feelings, intentional or not. What if Keith (or Hemi or I) had said, "That Shane plays pretty good to be so deaf." How do you think that would have gone over? Shane's was a similar statement referring to Keith's age (IMO).

Shane came through Chattanooga a few months back, and he is a great player. And having a deaf child, there is nothing I would love more than to see him go to the top of the pool world. With my love of the game, I could show my daughter that being hearing impaired does not have to be a disability in pool, and then she may start to play and enjoy the game because of Shane's accomplishments.

Shane is young and full of confidence. I'm sure he has been woofed at by many players who aren't afraid of hurting his feelings because they realize that his pool ability is worthy of confrontation and don't consider his hearing to be an issue. Hopefully he was doing a little woofing at Keith, with no intentional disparage. I wish he and Keith the best for the rest of the Open.

Mike
 
Mike Templeton said:
JJsooted,

I have known of Shane's disability for a while, having a hearing impaired daughter myself, and loving pool like I do. I would think that Shane meant what he said, but hopefully he didn't realize it. He, if anyone, should know that you should pick your words and be careful of how you say things about people. Being hearing impaired, I'm sure he has caught people saying things in a derrogatory manner and then try to explain that they did not intend the statements the way that they were taken. Having a hearing impaired daughter, I hope that, if anything, she learns to be careful in picking her words and I hope she tries hard not to say things to hurt other peoples feelings, intentional or not. What if Keith (or Hemi or I) had said, "That Shane plays pretty good to be so deaf." How do you think that would have gone over? Shane's was a similar statement referring to Keith's age (IMO).

Shane came through Chattanooga a few months back, and he is a great player. And having a deaf child, there is nothing I would love more than to see him go to the top of the pool world. With my love of the game, I could show my daughter that being hearing impaired does not have to be a disability in pool, and then she may start to play and enjoy the game because of Shane's accomplishments.

Shane is young and full of confidence. I'm sure he has been woofed at by many players who aren't afraid of hurting his feelings because they realize that his pool ability is worthy of confrontation and don't consider his hearing to be an issue. Hopefully he was doing a little woofing at Keith, with no intentional disparage. I wish he and Keith the best for the rest of the Open.

Mike
Mike, I'm sure he meant what he said, but I dont think he knew it would come off as disrespectful. What, I'm saying is that his being hearing impaired sometimes gets in the way of the subtle nuances that the rest of us pick up on right away. I didnt mean to start any type of "he said" "she said" or hide behind the monitor and bash anyone thing, rather just wanted to provide a bit of substance for those who are sometimes too quick to judge others before knowing the person themselves. Best wishes to you and yours.

Jay
 
hemicudas said:
First, a minimum of 3 people thought Shane's remarks were, at least, challenging Keith to gamble with the phrase, "keith played pretty good for his age". Whether Shane knew this wording insinuated Keith couldn't beat a good player, which Shane is, as young as himself, I do not know, nor does anyone other than Shane.

Second, Shane is young and I guess it is possible that he didn't think through the wording of his "compliment".

Third, Danny Deliberto, who announced the match with Buddy Hall, didn't know who Shane was. He said he had never heard of him and kept calling him by the wrong name. I had heard of Shane and how well he played but when you say that most people know of Shanes hearing impairment and the problems that can manifest from it I don't think you are right. I didn't know about it and I don't believe many others did either or it would have been mentioned during the match.

Fourth, Now that I know of Shane's hearing problems I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant no disrespect toward Keith and wish him well in the rest of the tournament.

Unless,,, he has to play my home town favorite, Reed Pierce and that I think you can understand...............

I talked to Shane today, though it didn't come out right, Shane meant to imply he hopes he will be shooting that good at Kieths age. Shane ,I know,did not mean to be dissrespectfull . Sometimes things don't come out of our mouths the way we intend it to,especially in Shanes case. But believe me , "To know Shane ,is to like him " ------ Grandpa Gary
 
Just to let you people know, I am only 22 and this is the first time i ever play in the us open. I am very excited to watch the best players in the world to play, they all play good. I am not going to give up, I will try to come back and win the tournament. I know that I am hearing impaired and i know some people dont realized that i cant hear when i play, blocked out the distraction. :D I know keith has been around for a long time and he knows my family pretty well. Im very impressed keith was running racks after racks, and only missed a couple shots. keith plays real good for his age and he can still beat the top players. I totally respect his game. Even for his age. I thanks for all my friends that are responding on this site. :D

shane the kid
 
Southdakotakid said:
Just to let you people know, I am only 22 and this is the first time i ever play in the us open. I am very excited to watch the best players in the world to play, they all play good. I am not going to give up, I will try to come back and win the tournament. I know that I am hearing impaired and i know some people dont realized that i cant hear when i play, blocked out the distraction. :D I know keith has been around for a long time and he knows my family pretty well. Im very impressed keith was running racks after racks, and only missed a couple shots. keith plays real good for his age and he can still beat the top players. I totally respect his game. Even for his age. I thanks for all my friends that are responding on this site. :D

shane the kid

Hi shane,
I did not anticipate the negative outcome from my question.I am sorry.We never met but u are very special to me and that is all I could say for now.take care
Vagabond
 
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