And the world seems full of idiots that fall for it, and sometimes more than once.
Kevin Trudeau - ABC's the Lookout
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And the world seems full of idiots that fall for it, and sometimes more than once.
You are correct sir.
KT has run terrible schemes that have duped a lot of people, but I don't really think you can say the IPT was one of them. Yeah it didn't last and it took a little bit for the money from the last tournament to come, but nobody (at least that I'm aware of) got out and out ripped off. Actually a lot of things about it were really good and very professional. It deffintely had a lot of good ideas, but tried to do too much too quickly IMO.
I agree with you, but there are sharp divisions on this topic, ESPECIALLY on this forum. There is one school of thought that the IPT was the best thing since slice bread, and the other school of thought rates the IPT and Kevin Trudeau with Satan and Hades.
I know Francisco Bustamante told me personally, words out of his mouth, that the money he won coming in third place was the largest payout he's ever scored in a pool tournament at the IPT event. Bustie seemed to like the IPT! :wink:
What wll KT's Next
Dog & Pony
Show
BE?????
A lot of people got ripped off. People who paid for qualifiers at 2000 a pop, and a lot fo vendors got stiffed.
And the players probably would have gotten stiffed as well if Trudeau hadn't still been trying to flip it.
The sad part is that it was highly professional. I was at the first challenge match and it was truly inspiring. I was left thinking that this could be it, what pro pool should be.
The IPT might have been the most honest thing Trudeau ever did. For a little while pros actually felt like true professionals and thought they were looking at a bright future.
So. You'll be on the lookout for Lookout?
I hope everything works out for Kevin. He seems to genuinely care about people.
He a passionate man, who's passionate about his passions, much like the pool players on this forum. :smile:
P.S. My mother bought his book of health secrets. She's just as sick as she ever was, but it really added something to her coffee table.
I hope everything works out for Kevin. He seems to genuinely care about people.
He a passionate man, who's passionate about his passions, much like the pool players on this forum. :smile:
P.S. My mother bought his book of health secrets. She's just as sick as she ever was, but it really added something to her coffee table.
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What I can't understand is why no one did a background check on this guy before they went into business with him. By the time the IPT was formed in 2005 he already had a string of convictions from serious charges including fraud, larceny, credit card fraud, running a pyramid scheme, cited by Illinois and Michigan and by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. He was in court on several occasions because he was in trouble with the FTC dating all the way back to 1998.
This seems to be the last guy anyone with any sense would want to be involved with. I know he was a dream seller and a con artist, but if there were ever a group of people who should have been wise to this sort of thing it should have been pool players.
This seems to be the last guy anyone with any sense would want to be involved with. I know he was a dream seller and a con artist, but if there were ever a group of people who should have been wise to this sort of thing it should have been pool players.
By the way, just in case any of you wanted to contribute to KT's legal defense fund here is a link to help the poor guy out.
https://www.naturalcureshealthinstitute.com/contribute/default.aspx
After reading that I feel the need to go take a shower.
https://www.naturalcureshealthinstitute.com/contribute/default.aspx
After reading that I feel the need to go take a shower.
I signed up for the $100,000 per month recurring support plan. I used World Pro's credit card and emailed Kevin a picture of Bobby's cash to show him I was really serious about helping him in his quest to overthrow the government.
i signed up for the $100,000 per month recurring support plan. I used world pro's credit card and emailed kevin a picture of bobby's cash to show him i was really serious about helping him in his quest to overthrow the government.
lmao!!!!!!!!!
What a freaking joke. :lol: Where can I send money to the Prosecuting attorneys?
I suppose saying he was "negative" or "refused to give it a chance" is one way to put it.
Another would be to say that he was "realistic" and "correctly predicted the outcome" and that you were "hopeful" and ... "wrong".
Nice spin though, with comical words like "newsflash" and "blasted" from the "I was wrong but I feel good about it Club".
Wrong about what? No one knew what would happen with the ipt back then. Everyone knew who Kevin Trudeau was and could look up his history.
There were two camps. Those who looked at it and said lets see where this goes and those who tried to strangle it from the start.
I guess it comes down to two outlooks on life. Positive or negative. I choose the positive path.
Also the "newsflash" comment is because some people act like the "money" in pool is otherwise always clean. Nick was hating on Kevin while never saying anything about cigarette companies or alcohol companies. I wasn't predicting anything by the way so there was nothing to be wrong about. The only prediction I did make was to bet that the IPT would be around one year after the bet date and it was and Nick didn't pay up.
Some people just look for the negative in everything and choose to highlight it and try to destroy any endeavor. For them people are not redeeemable and once a person has done something wrong then they will always be evil. I don't choose to look at the world this way and I looked at the IPT as a way for Kevin to do something positive with the money he made by selling things of dubious value.
The haters hated as they always do and gleefully rubbed their hands together with I-told-you-so arrogance when the IPT went down. But here is the thing, the negativity didn't HAVE to exist. Everyone knew Kevin's history. There was no need to try and destroy those of us with a Pollyanna outlook on it who were hoping that this would be good for pool. We were not the only ones who thought it could be good, the industry felt hopeful and confident as well about it.
Anyone can be a hater that's easy. It takes far more effort and bravery to be positive and work for positive change than it does to sit in the corner condemning everything.
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And the world seems full of idiots that fall for it, and sometimes more than once.
You can fool most of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
LOL yeah, I suppose they were "around one year after the bet date" if you count sending out e-mails promising payouts for tournaments that finished months earlier.
Or maybe you think the IPT is still "around" since there is a website you can subscribe to for the old videos.
Amusingly, if you go to the IPT website now it has a banner for GIN.
No, they were holding events one year after, they were in business at the 12 month point as the bet stipulated.
Anyway, if you want to continue to bash this after what 7 years now, go for it. The point I and many others made was that the IPT was potentially a great thing, they tried to make a big splash, spent a lot of money, treated the pros well, and had a good model for building a sustainable tour. No one would have dreamed that anyone would pay $2000 to enter a qualifier before the IPT showed up but in fact we saw qualifiers filling up, we saw weeks of mini-tournaments with the prizes being entries to qualifiers, we saw people jumping up to sign players to management contracts, we saw player practicing more, buying tables, planning a real life as a pro based on the IPT's promise.
The IPT showed what it COULD be like with actual actions. Yes it crashed but the fact is that it COULD have gone the other way and ended up being something big. What if, just IF, the Travel Channel had picked it up or some VC had seen it and put in a huge amount? You haters acted like none of that was even remotely possible when in fact deals like this are made every day.
I consider myself lucky to have had a glimpse of what pool COULD be. That's where my enthusiasm and positive outlook came from. Maybe for those of you who were not able to attend any IPT event you could hardly have an appreciation for the energy and vibe happening at the time.
Condemn Kevin all you want but he did put on several high class events showcasing what an ideal professional pool setting could be.
I agree with you on all these points. I just didn't agree that Nick was being "negative" or a hater.