Lagging ?

[Black-Balled]

Wait a second, Both Stalev and Kim looked at them for a good minute from different angles, and then Scott Smith looked at it from different angles, and called it a tie and re-lag. Yet we are all certain from a picture the 6 wins? That does not pass the sniff test

Lol.

We had a string at the pool room which also came in handy 8 or fewer times to rule on balls in/ out of the kitchen.

 

[u12armresl]

Wait a second, Both Stalev and Kim looked at them for a good minute from different angles, and then Scott Smith looked at it from different angles, and called it a tie and re-lag. Yet we are all certain from a picture the 6 wins? That does not pass the sniff test

I agree, but I'm a nobody. That's why I posted it.
To me it looked like a dead tie, but I thought there has to be a definitive way to tell. + points for you iusedtoberich

 

[u12armresl]

less headaches making them lag again

If you want to give up the break, cool. At that level, I sure as heck don't want to.

 

[PoolBum]

I've got excellent eyesight, and the 3 ball definitely looks closer to me.

 

[Cuedup]

Huh? It isn't a race.

First is irrelevant, it is closest.

As you lower your head the top of one ball will come in to parallel with the top of the rail first. Allowing you to judge which ball won the lag.

It would be easy to show you.

 

[WobblyStroke]

Same thing came up in a match of mine. I said re-lag. Opponent said I only want a relag cuz he closer.
We were both about 2 balls off but rathdr than fill in the gap with balls as suggested above, he went the curling method....

As I braced his ball he cued up to it from the rail till he touched the ball (which didnt move bc I had a finger on it). He then straddled the cue with two fingers up against the cushion and then slid this whole 'apperatus' over to my ball. The cue tapped my ball so I was closer.

His little move with the cue took a few seconds. would have been about even tomewise with a re lag if not for our eyeballing and discussion on how to proceed.

long story short, I been flipping coins instead of lagging ever since

 

[Black-Balled]

Wait a second, Both Stalev and Kim looked at them for a good minute from different angles, and then Scott Smith looked at it from different angles, and called it a tie and re-lag. Yet we are all certain from a picture the 6 wins? That does not pass the sniff test

Lol.

We had a string at the pool room which also came in handy 8 or fewer times to rule on balls in/ out of the kitchen.

As you lower your head the top of one ball will come in to parallel with the top of the rail first. Allowing you to judge which ball won the lag.

It would be easy to show you.

I think maybe you don't know how to win a lag?

What do you think is the determinant for winning?

 

[Black-Balled]

I've got excellent eyesight, and the 3 ball definitely looks closer to me.

Conclusions drawn here assume that camera angle is straight.

We have no idea about its actual accuracy.

The string knows.

 

[hurricane145]

If Kim and Stalev had to both walk around the table several times I wouldn't say that either is "clearly" closer.

AGAIN, only going by the picture presented here in the forum which probably would be inaccurate for a few different reasons. But, that is all we were presented with. For all the misunderstanding, probably better if the picture was not even uploaded. No doubt it looks far more a tied lag in real life.

long story short, I been flipping coins instead of lagging ever since

Has been good enough to start an NFL game for as long as I can remember! More money riding on that than any pool tournament ever!

Lol.

We had a string at the pool room which also came in handy 8 or fewer times to rule on balls in/ out of the kitchen.

I think maybe you don't know how to win a lag?

What do you think is the determinant for winning?

You misunderstand him entirely.
He is saying that after the lag is done you should be able to go to the far end of the table and in lowering your head, one of the two balls should disappear from your sight below the rail you are looking over. It should be the ball that is closest to the lag rail since it would appear smaller to you.
It may still be tough to judge if they are very much the same distance from the lag rail.

 

[Bob Jewett]

From the rules:

The players will lag again if:​

(a) a player’s ball is struck after the other ball has touched the foot cushion;​

(b) the referee cannot determine which ball has stopped closer to the head cushion; or​

(c) both lags are bad.​

 

[Cuedup]

Lol.

We had a string at the pool room which also came in handy 8 or fewer times to rule on balls in/ out of the kitchen.

I think maybe you don't know how to win a lag?

What do you think is the determinant for winning?

I'll admit to possibly not explaining it well but it's a simple method for determining the closest ball to the rail. I figured it was common enough knowledge for those that knew their way around a table.

Simply asking for clarification would be a simple thing but it's the AZB so I guess some level of douchbaggery is expected if not encouraged.

 

[straightline]

This was recently taken by the Webb telescope. It shows two galaxies along a never before observed one dimensional entity. (the actual reason for the photo)

 

[Zerksies]

If you want to give up the break, cool. At that level, I sure as heck don't want to.

If I'm the referee I will make them lag again

 

[Rickhem]

At carom there is a rule that if it's too close to tell by unaided eye, the players lag again. I think that's a better solution than getting out the gage blocks

Back in my competitive shooting days, the better shooters always said that if you have to look at a shot for more than about 4 or 5 seconds, just give the shooter the benefit of the doubt and move on. The issue was with some of the mid and lower level guys that felt it was their job to deprive anyone of every point they could. Didn't take me long to decide which group I was going to be in.

 

[Black-Balled]

I'll admit to possibly not explaining it well but it's a simple method for determining the closest ball to the rail. I figured it was common enough knowledge for those that knew their way around a table.

Simply asking for clarification would be a simple thing but it's the AZB so I guess some level of douchbaggery is expected if not encouraged.

No need to get annoyed, this is dialog.

What do you think the determinant is re: who wins the lag?
Please answer?

 

[Black-Balled]

Back in my competitive shooting days, the better shooters always said that if you have to look at a shot for more than about 4 or 5 seconds, just give the shooter the benefit of the doubt and move on. The issue was with some of the mid and lower level guys that felt it was their job to deprive anyone of every point they could. Didn't take me long to decide which group I was going to be in.

That is good business for both sides.
Spread the smarts.

 

[WobblyStroke]

This was recently taken by the Webb telescope. It shows two galaxies along a never before observed one dimensional entity. (the actual reason for the photo)

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galaxy on the left wins the lag.

 

[jay helfert]

Was just rewatching Cool Kim and Stalev, and the opening lag did not disappoint.
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My question to you is, how do you tell on something like this who is closer.
Doesn't it seem really hard to believe that one of the 2 balls isn't just a little bit closer?

Besides relagging, is there some method where you could definitively tell if one ball was closer without holding up the tournament for a long time?

You can see it better by moving far back from the side of the table, like one full table away (or even farther). Try it, you'll like it. Standing at the end rail and looking down at the two balls does not work.

 

[straightline]

galaxy on the left wins the lag.

It's even more obvious as the line intersects one or both. You have a a very clear indicator as to whichever is more.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Lag starts at 43 seconds.