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Busbee Cue

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Hello,

Does anyone here sell laminated dowels or squares for cue shafts? I had 20 I got from barringer about 8 years ago and out of the 20 blanks 17 stayed straight and everyone that has one of them loves the stiff hit they deliver. The one's I still see being used still roll straight as an arrow. Thank you.
 
Busbee Cue said:
Hello,

Does anyone here sell laminated dowels or squares for cue shafts? I had 20 I got from barringer about 8 years ago and out of the 20 blanks 17 stayed straight and everyone that has one of them loves the stiff hit they deliver. The one's I still see being used still roll straight as an arrow. Thank you.
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We sell "X" Laminated Shaft blanks to many cuemakers.

Email me for info. Can not post prices.

They are also available from Atlas & Prather.
 
Laminated Shafts

SCHMELKE. IMO THEY HAVE THE BEST.

Bob Flynn
Denali pool Cues
 
Busbee Cue said:
Hello,

Does anyone here sell laminated dowels or squares for cue shafts? I had 20 I got from barringer about 8 years ago and out of the 20 blanks 17 stayed straight and everyone that has one of them loves the stiff hit they deliver. The one's I still see being used still roll straight as an arrow. Thank you.
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You may want to call Bill Dominiak of Dominiakcues.com and Cue Stock Inc. Cue stock is the parent company.

Burt
 
Burtus said:
You may want to call Bill Dominiak of Dominiakcues.com and Cue Stock Inc. Cue stock is the parent company.

Burt
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I was under the impression that Cue Stock did not exist anymore and Bill was simply making cues and not selling anymore shaft blanks.;)
 
Varney Cues said:
I was under the impression that Cue Stock did not exist anymore and Bill was simply making cues and not selling anymore shaft blanks.;)
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I dont think anyone has a better laminate shaft than me. Mine are actualy radial laminate. PM me if you are interested.
Bubsbug
 
bubsbug said:
I dont think anyone has a better laminate shaft than me. Mine are actualy radial laminate. PM me if you are interested.
Bubsbug
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Nobody is as humble as you either. :eek: :D :eek:

Your definition of radial is a bit liberal if you are talking about the shafts you posted construction pics of a while back.
Kelly
 
Kelly_Guy said:
Nobody is as humble as you either. :eek: :D :eek:

Your definition of radial is a bit liberal if you are talking about the shafts you posted construction pics of a while back.
Kelly
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Radialesque?

Come on Kelly, you ARE a fellow math geek arren't you?
All you need to do to convert plywood to 'radialesque'
is vary the angular velocity during the turning process

Dale
 
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What part of radial in relation to my laminate shafts bewilders You. In the first pic you will see pie shaped radial. Also radial is not single demention. As you can see not only are the ends radial, but radial also extends the entire length of the shaft making it 3D! The later Pic shows how the laminate run. IMO, mush better design than laminate running one direction. The pool pro's say that there is an inconsistant hit with how you hold your laminate shaft. With mine that is eliminated! Perfect hit every single time.
Bubsbug.



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bubsbug said:
What part of radial in relation to my laminate shafts bewilders You.
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I don't believe any part of it bewilders me.

The first pic you linked shows a picture that could describe the cross section of a radially laminated shaft with 4 pieces.

The 2nd pic you linked shows a picture that could describe the cross section of one of your shafts. It is 4 small squares that are all flat laminates that are glued together to form a large square, then turned round.

Saying that is a radially laminated shaft is not completely descriptive of what you are doing. It makes no mention of the fact that you have 4 separate squares that are all flat laminates, and then they are laminated together, then turned round. I would submit that if you call that a radially laminated shaft with no further explanation, you have a LIBERAL definition of radial lamination.

I made no qualitative statements about your product, only complemented you on your humbleness.

Kelly
 
Kelly_Guy said:
I don't believe any part of it bewilders me.

The first pic you linked shows a picture that could describe the cross section of a radially laminated shaft with 4 pieces.

The 2nd pic you linked shows a picture that could describe the cross section of one of your shafts. It is 4 small squares that are all flat laminates that are glued together to form a large square, then turned round.

Saying that is a radially laminated shaft is not completely descriptive of what you are doing. It makes no mention of the fact that you have 4 separate squares that are all flat laminates, and then they are laminated together, then turned round. I would submit that if you call that a radially laminated shaft with no further explanation, you have a LIBERAL definition of radial lamination.

I made no qualitative statements about your product, only complemented you on your humbleness.

Kelly
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I understand what you are saying and perhaps maybe I am streaching things a little here, but by definition I am 100% correct. To say that I have a liberal view of the subjuct, is to say that I have different standards and I dont think that this is accurate. I think to say sutch a thing is negative and slightly offensive. Take a look at marketings schemes. How do they get you to purchase their product. Are their claims always accurate? What is the minimal defination of radial????? From the pics what is and isn't Radial??







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bubsbug said:
What part of radial in relation to my laminate shafts bewilders You. In the first pic you will see pie shaped radial. Also radial is not single demention. As you can see not only are the ends radial, but radial also extends the entire length of the shaft making it 3D! The later Pic shows how the laminate run.
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I completely agree with you on this. The shaft is indeed radial in nature. with the cross sections of the 4 pieces turned into a circular form (assuming its perfectly centered) is radial. It can be 4,6,10,12 pieces etc but its still radial. They are all pie shaped, just a 4 piece pie is larger than a 8 or 10 slice.

Vic
 
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bubsbug said:
. IMO, mush better design than laminate running one direction. The pool pro's say that there is an inconsistant hit with how you hold your laminate shaft. With mine that is eliminated! Perfect hit every single time.
Bubsbug.
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First of all I like the design of the laminations here and I do agree that it is a lot better design than laminate running in one directions, but I think I have to disagree with the statement that it eliminates the inconsistent hit. I can see that it would greatly greatly reduce the inconsistencies. But unless you strike dead cetner of the tip onto the cueball on every stroke, there is still room for inconsistences.

The reason I say this is if you hit slightly off center or more on the tip, the cross section of laminations change unless the cue is spun 45degrees or 90 degrees etc.

If you spun the cue 22 degrees for example, you would get a different feel on the shaft (though ever so slightly).

For example on the picture you provided, If I hit the cue ball on the red circle on one shot, then turned the cue a few degrees, I am now striking the cueball with the blue circle. The variations dont eliminate inconsistencies 100%

Again it is a good design and I do like it. Im just saying I dont think any cue can eliminate inconsistency 100%.

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Vic
 
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First of all I like the design of the laminations here and I do agree that it is a lot better design than laminate running in one directions, but I think I have to disagree with the statement that it eliminates the inconsistent hit.
Me too.
How can several pieces from different boards be even close to each other's stiffness and tone?
Now, if you have 1/4 inch square by 120 inches long, cut them to around 30 inches long then pie each one and glue them with same grain direction, maybe you'd get close to no sweet spot shaft.
 
vicdotcom said:
First of all I like the design of the laminations here and I do agree that it is a lot better design than laminate running in one directions, but I think I have to disagree with the statement that it eliminates the inconsistent hit. I can see that it would greatly greatly reduce the inconsistencies. But unless you strike dead cetner of the tip onto the cueball on every stroke, there is still room for inconsistences.

The reason I say this is if you hit slightly off center or more on the tip, the cross section of laminations change unless the cue is spun 45degrees or 90 degrees etc.

If you spun the cue 22 degrees for example, you would get a different feel on the shaft (though ever so slightly).

For example on the picture you provided, If I hit the cue ball on the red circle on one shot, then turned the cue a few degrees, I am now striking the cueball with the blue circle. The variations dont eliminate inconsistencies 100%

Again it is a good design and I do like it. Im just saying I dont think any cue can eliminate inconsistency 100%.

radial-2.jpg



Vic
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I think you have a great point. Anytime someone sayes that something is a 100% sure thing, people need to be skeptical. Nothing is 100%, 100% of the time. In theory I agree with you! Each shaft has 104 peices of laminate, devided by 4,...... 9/16x9/16. Each individual square has 26 peices. I think that the inconsistancy would be to settle to accurately measure. If you shoot at cue ball position 2 o"clock lets say and you turn the shaft 45 degrees, then you will be shooting in exactaly the same place. Same with 90, 180, 360 degrees. 22 degrees is somehat different perhaps. Still Much Much better than laminates in one direction. Best of all there is no wait between turns. Once glued and cured, turn it untill you have your shaft ready for play! One and one half hour tops. In theory I agree with you, but I would like to some how test the hypothesis and compare the results. Perhaps then, the rest of us will get it!!


Also take in consideration that the cue ball is round and the actual contact point is very small. On paper, in theory it appears flat. I just think that the results of sutch a test would be very interesting. Then I would like to compare it to all other shafts across the board.
 
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