8 ball frozen to rail, new rule i heard you have to touch another rail besides the one 8 is frozen to
Last two balls frozen on rail - What would you do?
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8 ball frozen to rail, new rule i heard you have to touch another rail besides the one 8 is frozen to
Thats correct for that frozen ball, but you can use that rail with CB or another ball
yeah roll up on it, mite not get loose in one shot. patients pays off
The OP tried to do TOO MUCH with one shot, if it lays good then yeah do lots, but like it is it takes a few times to get a shot to win.
I told you the right shot.
This...and soft !
This is the only way to shoot this shot in mo opinion. If it were me, I'm not just going for a safe, but rather, I'm focused on getting BIH after. To maximize my opportunity for BIH,, it's important that 1. THe 11 doesn't go in, 2. The 11 doesn't even go far enough to lay him up for an easy hit with a kick. 3. I'm planning on BIH, so I don't need much room...and I don't want to move his 11 much, just like FORE said, , cuz if my BIH doesn't work out, I want that 11 still on the rail and not close to the pocket, that will buy me at least 1 more shot. 4. I'm looking to try to take aay the angle for the kick ...if I can lock up the cue ball, and stick it to the 8, he's gonna need to use English off the rail to kick, further lowering his chances of a legal hit...and if that 8 was even remotely off the rail, I'd snuggle in behind it, forcing a 2 rail kick, almost guaranteeing me BIH.
So, in summery, I'd shoot this shot, just as fore rail suggested, and VERY SOFT, barely moving the balls.
This is the only way to shoot this shot in mo opinion. If it were me, I'm not just going for a safe, but rather, I'm focused on getting BIH after. To maximize my opportunity for BIH,, it's important that 1. THe 11 doesn't go in, 2. The 11 doesn't even go far enough to lay him up for an easy hit with a kick. 3. I'm planning on BIH, so I don't need much room...and I don't want to move his 11 much, just like FORE said, , cuz if my BIH doesn't work out, I want that 11 still on the rail and not close to the pocket, that will buy me at least 1 more shot. 4. I'm looking to try to take aay the angle for the kick ...if I can lock up the cue ball, and stick it to the 8, he's gonna need to use English off the rail to kick, further lowering his chances of a legal hit...and if that 8 was even remotely off the rail, I'd snuggle in behind it, forcing a 2 rail kick, almost guaranteeing me BIH.
So, in summery, I'd shoot this shot, just as fore rail suggested, and VERY SOFT, barely moving the balls.
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Make space between the 11 (which you want to stay on the rail) and 8 ball. That means playing the 8 ball with some force. Personally I would cross bank it at the corner with loads of bottom right. Then you're playing it towards a pocket and leaving the rock up table with the 11 on the rail. Even if you don't make the 8 in the corner it will roll up close enough to corner to give him pressure on the 11.
Leaving the 8 ball close to the 11 ball on the rail is not the best idea. Doesnt mean that you can't win from there but I like the odds on the shot I described.
Leaving the 8 ball close to the 11 ball on the rail is not the best idea. Doesnt mean that you can't win from there but I like the odds on the shot I described.
Forerail and Mohrt's shots are right on. By the way, the exact same shot is what you would do if you were stripes, just from the other direction.
Where was the CB when the opponent picked it up and gave you BIH? From wherever it was, he should have probably tried freezing the CB to his last stripe, on the side opposite the 8. Even if he had to kick to get there it would have been better than giving you BIH with this layout.
Where was the CB when the opponent picked it up and gave you BIH? From wherever it was, he should have probably tried freezing the CB to his last stripe, on the side opposite the 8. Even if he had to kick to get there it would have been better than giving you BIH with this layout.
I don't follow this shot. Can you diagram it? (You can click on the first post and move the balls around). You know the player has BIH, correct?
This is usually problematic, your opponent will move the 8 ball back against the 11 and give you BIH again. Pretty soon you have no room to work with. You must make separation to avoid this. Make separation without leaving the 11 in front of a pocket. See my first diagram.
If the 8 and 11 are already very close to a pocket then it's time to go up table. Place CB as close to 8 as possible such that you can easily graze it and move the CB to the opposite end rail. I would use two rails zig-zag for the most control. Let them make the first error.
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Ha! I just tried the shot. Executed the safety perfectly first attempt, with the CB frozen to the 8 in such a way that the 8 was pointing away from the 11. So I kicked the CB 3 rails and hit the 11 squarely on the nose, getting lucky and leaving no offensive shot on the 8.
Try over and over, see who comes out ahead the most often
if you play perfect and your opponent gets lucky, you did what you could do.
Start here and cue with a ton of lower right....
With a solid clean level stroke hit the side of the 8 ball with the low right and the 8 will go down table towards the corner. If it goes in you win if not you hope to leave it close. The cue ball should hit the side cushion and rebound off the the other side rail above the side pocket of the opposite side. It should look like this....
Try over and over, see who comes out ahead the most often
Yes, I think I want to video it a few trials, but im still in my pj's. lol. I only did it once. Definitely agree its the shot of choice.
So you are crossing the face of the 8 on the bank, and the CB is zig zagging twice across table? I'll give it a try.
With the low right, I thought you might be hitting the 8 full, instead of crossing its face, and drawing the CB straight back to that position without hitting a rail. I don't know either of those shots with CB frozen, but I'll give a try.
Yes you come across it for two reasons:
First reason the 8 ball is frozen so to hit it head on or flat will either give you a double kiss or the kiss knocking you into the 11 and leaving your opponent a shot.
Second reason is that you are knocking the 8 ball down table away from the 11 with a greater amount of force and the only way to do that without disturbing the 11 is to come across it.
This type of shot requires a real light touch and finesse. If I were to categorize it I would put it into the B-A player range. That doesnt mean that the lesser skilled player can't do it but with practice you will FEEL how you should hit it.
The only reason why I like this shot (There is a ton of different moves with this layout so one isnt better than the other I just prefer this one) is again you are shooting for the win and leaving your opponent tough. Hell even if the CB ends up near the corner pocket and he cuts that bastard in then BRAVO!!! He deserve to win and I don't mind losing that way. There are very few locks in 8 ball and you always have a chance to lose even after a great safety. Trust me I know :frown:
Well, I'm a believer in JJ's shot now. I shot both ways about 10 times each. The first way I was roughly 50/50 to win as the 8 ball shooter. It was hard not to leave the 8 and 11 parallel on the rail.
With JJ's way, the 8 ball win percentage was much better. Something like 7-3 (I was losing track). I never played that bank before, so towards the end, I was hitting it a bit better. But even when I hit it bad, it still left either the trick cut in shot, or a really tough bank.
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With JJ's way, the 8 ball win percentage was much better. Something like 7-3 (I was losing track). I never played that bank before, so towards the end, I was hitting it a bit better. But even when I hit it bad, it still left either the trick cut in shot, or a really tough bank.
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Start here and cue with a ton of lower right....
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With a solid clean level stroke hit the side of the 8 ball with the low right and the 8 will go down table towards the corner. If it goes in you win if not you hope to leave it close. The cue ball should hit the side cushion and rebound off the the other side rail above the side pocket of the opposite side. It should look like this....
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The two issues I see here are 1) much harder shot and 2) your opponent has a guaranteed hit on the 11. I'd rather take the cinch shot ( minimal cueball movement) and make them kick at the 11 from frozen on the 8. I think you'll win from here far more often.
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Mohrt's shot is the correct answer for skilled players. You would be amazed how many intermediates do not know how to shorten up their bridge and stroke to control this shot though. They want to dink the ball and you still see a 12 inch bridge and a 10 inch back swing. Not saying you cannot execute it like this with proper finesse but why work so hard?
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I rather give my opponent a VERY hard shot with no real safe option (unless they get really lucky which does happen from time to time) then to botch a safe or leave them out.
If you put a player in a DONT MISS situation then Im willing to bet 9/10 they're gonna lose with the shot I posted. Again im not saying my shot is the best option (there a ton of great shots you can play here) but 7/3 are really good odds don't you think??
Also you have to consider the fact that if this player just gives you BIH as a move its almost down right cheating and stupid!!! Do you really think that they can beat you at that point?? I love it when players pull this crap. I make they pay each and every time and it great watching them get pissed off about it :lol::lol::lol: