Last two balls frozen on rail - What would you do?
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Not sure if i missed it on my phone, but another option is to hit it straight into the rail with draw and double kiss the cb down to the other end. That should also take the 8 off the rail a little and his ball stays frozen with a table length shot at nothing. Other than that, id do the same as Tommy's shot.
I got a 5 min video trying Mohrt's shot again. I was much more successful at it this time, after watching his video and seeing I wasn't cutting the 8 thin enough to get the better result. Still, the shot is finicky. In the first few shots I hit it thin, then I purposely went to a thick hit to be sure I learned the shot, and the thick hit was a poor result as expected. Then I went back to the thin hit but was a bit too thin a couple of times and sold out.
Check out minute 5:00 I hit it on the kick and get a good result.
I think after all this I personally still like JJ's shot, in this exact situation. Both good shots in my banger speed opinion
New video (6 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TogW91rZICA&feature=youtu.be
Original video (25 min), JJ's shot attempts are at 11:20 min and on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTDXFD3iASo
Check out minute 5:00 I hit it on the kick and get a good result.
I think after all this I personally still like JJ's shot, in this exact situation. Both good shots in my banger speed opinion
New video (6 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TogW91rZICA&feature=youtu.be
Original video (25 min), JJ's shot attempts are at 11:20 min and on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTDXFD3iASo
By allowing him to kick from uptable like you're doing may make you the underdog if he happens to hit his ball with a little speed, chances are good that you will not have an easy shot on the eight. You now may become the underdog after being a heavy favorite.
I believe that after a couple of soft hits on the eight, enough to slightly get the eight off the rail so that you can then tap his ball away and wedge the cue ball between the eight and the rail taking the uptable kick away. Taking the uptable kick away is huge in this situation.
I believe that after a couple of soft hits on the eight, enough to slightly get the eight off the rail so that you can then tap his ball away and wedge the cue ball between the eight and the rail taking the uptable kick away. Taking the uptable kick away is huge in this situation.
I agree taking the kick away is much better, but also a touchier shot from 8 ball froze to the rail. I wasn't able to get it consistent, I would leave a clean shot to the 11 when it didn't work. I'm also on 860 Simonis, maybe a muddier felt on a barbox won't be so touchy
JC
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I got a 5 min video trying Mohrt's shot again. I was much more successful at it this time, after watching his video and seeing I wasn't cutting the 8 thin enough to get the better result. Still, the shot is finicky. In the first few shots I hit it thin, then I purposely went to a thick hit to be sure I learned the shot, and the thick hit was a poor result as expected. Then I went back to the thin hit but was a bit too thin a couple of times and sold out.
Check out minute 5:00 I hit it on the kick and get a good result.
I think after all this I personally still like JJ's shot, in this exact situation. Both good shots in my banger speed opinion
New video (6 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TogW91rZICA&feature=youtu.be
Original video (25 min), JJ's shot attempts are at 11:20 min and on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTDXFD3iASo
Your video is hard to watch. I showed you how to shoot that shot in a video earlier in this thread. You blew it off as "no I was just using the wrong angle". Even a top pro came in and reinforced what I was saying.
Then you posted yet another painful cluster of your long ass stroke fails. You may be one of those players who simply cannot be helped.
JC
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Your'e brutal man. It took me like 2 hours to post a 20 minute video to youtube. Its not easy. I had already shot the second one when I saw your comment and it was getting ready to upload. I said my speed is high C range, I never claimed to be a pro, but I tried the shot, and I learned a lot from it. I thought it would add to the thread to try out the shots discused, and you are hating on me why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtwytlzRKT8&feature=youtu.be
What was I supposed to get from this video you linked? The shot is completely different. And your text didn't offer any input in your post.
When I shot Mohrt's shot in the first video, I was hitting it too full. And it left the 8 , CB, and 11 parallel on teh end rail, leaving an easy return shot to snuggle the 8 back on the 11. You saw me shoot it successfully several times in a row in the second video, when I hit it thinnner. It then looked very close to what Mohrt showed. It was the thickness of hit that made the difference in the way the cue ball hugged the 8 ball. And this left the 3 balls non-parallel so you couldnt just role the 8 back onto the 11 again.
JC
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Sorry if your feelings got hurt. I got frustrated that you were not listening to what was said, but rather making excuses. I'm not a pro either, just a low A player but I have been taught some stuff like this by pros. You say you learned a lot from the shot but you didn't learn the right stuff. Like how to execute it reliably It is not the thickness of the hit that makes it succeed, it's the speed. Do you recall that I talked about shortening your bridge and your stroke? The video was an example of that type of stroke, not the shot. And I clearly stated that. Re read what CJ posted. Short final back stroke and short front stroke yet not a jab. Still a stroke. Choke up on the cue a bit and extend your bridge hand some and you can stroke forward smoothly yet firmly and come to your normal finish position with your stroke and keep it delicate. Mohrt could actually work on this too. That's why he hit the shot too hard. His stroke was delicate but too long. Stroking like this you can actually confidently hook the 11 from a fairly wide range of angles all the way out to probably a half ball hit. Hope this helps.
JC
I watched some of the 5 min vid shooting the shot I posted. Try shortening the bridge, as mentioned in prior posts. Also it looks like you apply right English to every shot. I think I used a smidgen of left on mine to help the cueball hug the 8.
In any event you'll know a lot more next time this happens!
In any event you'll know a lot more next time this happens!
Let me ask you a serious question.....
Did you learn something from both of us today?? If you answered yes to this than you are able to learn what people teach you. Just at your speed and not IMMEDIATELY!! Holy crap what a guy huh?? Funny but your shots that you took that I showed you looked great and you just tried it out. Not too bad not too bad. Just keep asking question and you will learn from the great players on here. Hell if I knew about AZ 10 years ago I would probably be a pro level player by now. Ahhhhhhh c'est la vie
Did you learn something from both of us today?? If you answered yes to this than you are able to learn what people teach you. Just at your speed and not IMMEDIATELY!! Holy crap what a guy huh?? Funny but your shots that you took that I showed you looked great and you just tried it out. Not too bad not too bad. Just keep asking question and you will learn from the great players on here. Hell if I knew about AZ 10 years ago I would probably be a pro level player by now. Ahhhhhhh c'est la vie
JC
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Read what CJ Wiley wrote. Try placing the cue ball 4 inches from the 8 ball and bridging 3 inches from the cue ball. A one inch back stroke and a two inch follow through but finish at your normal position by a combination of extending your bridge hand (straighter elbow) and choking up a little. That way your stroke finishes normally without you having to try to put the brakes on it.
JC
JC
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I learned something really cool from this thread. That jump stick nip shot is friggen awesome!! I had never seen that before!
Plus I learned that Mohrt's shot planning is way better than mine. He's right. Any kicking at the 11 is better than any straight sight line for your opponent.
JC
Yes I could have bridged shorter. With BIH I just put the shot where it was most comfortable, the longer bridge worked fine. If I had to shoot a steeper angle I would use much shorter one! Using CTE I also very often use short bridges.
TIL pay more attention to short shot bridging!
TIL pay more attention to short shot bridging!
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Not sure if this was addressed to me or not, but I feel I learned a lot. At first I thought the shot you diagrammed was crazy. Then I tried it, and thought it worked extremely well for the position. I also liked the shot so much (once I figured out where the CB needed to be to avoid the immediate kiss), that I thought it would be great for one pocket, except the cue ball goes uptable. So I tried the same bank shot with inside instead of outside english, and the cue ball stayed on the end rail down table, while the OB banked towards my hole uptable.
Regarding Mohrt's shot, I feel I learned how to hit that better. I will try the shorter bride as well. But, and I'm not saying this to be hard headed, the difference in thickness of hit made a big difference in the outcome of the shot, at least with the stroke I used.
Ha, I actually thought you were using high right on yours so that's what I tried on mine. I'll try left also.
Well, I just tried it a bunch of times with my bridge hand 1" away from the CB and a 1" backstroke. It did not improve the shot.
I also tried along with the 1" bridge, moving the CB 1 to 2" from the 8. That didn't make a difference to me.
I know the short bridge has value, i'm not discounting that when you need a super soft hit. I feel this particular shot, does not requere a super soft hit, especially when you have the luxury of BIH.
I also tried the shot with left instead of right and that worked well, it hugged the 8 more. With left, it needed a fuller hit on the 8. With right, it needed a thinner hit on the 8 to get similar results.
I also tried along with the 1" bridge, moving the CB 1 to 2" from the 8. That didn't make a difference to me.
I know the short bridge has value, i'm not discounting that when you need a super soft hit. I feel this particular shot, does not requere a super soft hit, especially when you have the luxury of BIH.
I also tried the shot with left instead of right and that worked well, it hugged the 8 more. With left, it needed a fuller hit on the 8. With right, it needed a thinner hit on the 8 to get similar results.
JC
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Did you try this though?
JC said:
I'm out of town and away from my beloved table or I would demonstrate.
JC