Leaving shape long!! Need some help.

cbi1000

cbi1000

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Hello,
I'm a good open B player and i'm ready to make the next step. So i'm in this state of trying to improve my game. Really paying attention to details.

One thing i'm finding out it when i leave myself bad it's because i leave the cue long. It is driving me crazy. So here is my question, what do i do about it? Is it a feel thing i need to keep praticing on to improve? Mental? Cue too lite (lite cue might have faster cue speed)? Tip too hard?

I am attending the cuetech pool school next month and maybe they can help, but i felt like asking all of you first.

Thanks,
Capone 19.0oz cue, everest tip.
 
it's a good question i think. i tend to do the same thing when under pressure, or simply not confident enough in my ability to bring it closer. it's a safer way of playing position, but as we all know, it obviously isn't because you end up missing a long shot...

tbh i don't think there's a hell of a lot to evaluate. you just need to be more confident in your shot, and improve your speed control.
 
cbi1000 said:
Hello,
I'm a good open B player and i'm ready to make the next step. So i'm in this state of trying to improve my game. Really paying attention to details.

One thing i'm finding out it when i leave myself bad it's because i leave the cue long. It is driving me crazy. So here is my question, what do i do about it? Is it a feel thing i need to keep praticing on to improve? Mental? Cue too lite (lite cue might have faster cue speed)? Tip too hard?

I am attending the cuetech pool school next month and maybe they can help, but i felt like asking all of you first.

Thanks,
Capone 19.0oz cue, everest tip.
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When you pratice, memorize your stroke. Play under pressure with the same stroke as when you pratice. The speed control will come. The stroke determines the end result.
 
The question is?

cbi1000 said:
Hello,
I'm a good open B player and i'm ready to make the next step. So i'm in this state of trying to improve my game. Really paying attention to details.

One thing i'm finding out it when i leave myself bad it's because i leave the cue long. It is driving me crazy. So here is my question, what do i do about it? Is it a feel thing i need to keep praticing on to improve? Mental? Cue too lite (lite cue might have faster cue speed)? Tip too hard?

I am attending the cuetech pool school next month and maybe they can help, but i felt like asking all of you first.

Thanks,
Capone 19.0oz cue, everest tip.
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What are you doing that is different from the short shot other than you are missing. ;)

Your routine should be the same.
 
I don't think a different cue is going to make that much difference. A cheaper way to experiment would be to bring your grip hand forward a bit, and/or shorten your bridge length. If you shorten your bridge length, you should move your grip forward by the same amount, or perhaps more. However, if you respond to this by putting more effort (muscle) into the shots to obtain the same cueball speed, then it's more of a judgement thing. I would think you'll get some good drills at school to work on this.

BUT, if I were going to pool school in a month or so, I wouldn't change anything except as a short term test, unless of course it made a major, major difference. I'd want them to see me in my "natural" state and let them take it from there.

Jim
 
thanks for the info

I usually end up making the long shot, but what kills me is when leaving the cue long i end up hooked! That makes me so mad i want to scream. LOL.
 
Think further ahead. For me making the jump from B to A+ was in recognizing the shots that would give me trouble later on in the rack, then being able to do something about it earlier. So although it seems the problem is maybe the shot before you leave yourself long, it really is usally 2 to 3 or 4 shots before that. Of course to bring your game up making the long shots doesnt hurt either! And also work on cinch, stun, and inside english shots, those tend to shorten angles of course depending on the shot.
 
Pool School has the answers!

cbi1000 said:
I am attending the cuetech pool school next month and maybe they can help, but i felt like asking all of you first.

Thanks,
Capone 19.0oz cue, everest tip.
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cbi1000...All of your questions will be answered when you go to Cue Tech!
Until then, relax and just play pool. You don't have to do ANYTHING to prepare for pool school, to get the most out of it, and have a great time, as well! Report back afterwards, and tell us how it went!:D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
cbi1000 said:
Hello,
I'm a good open B player and i'm ready to make the next step. So i'm in this state of trying to improve my game. Really paying attention to details.

One thing i'm finding out it when i leave myself bad it's because i leave the cue long. It is driving me crazy. So here is my question, what do i do about it? Is it a feel thing i need to keep praticing on to improve? Mental? Cue too lite (lite cue might have faster cue speed)? Tip too hard?

I am attending the cuetech pool school next month and maybe they can help, but i felt like asking all of you first.

Thanks,
Capone 19.0oz cue, everest tip.
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It sounds like your being too relaxed with your positional play. If you don't have great position on the one ball, you could have worse position on the two ball if you don't do what is neccessary to rectify the situation and even worse on the three ball. If you get close to the three ball with the perfect angle to get to the four, there is no reason why shouldn't be close to the four ball. Unless of course you are too laxedasical with the shot.

I have learned that although I can make most shots on the table, everyone misses eventually so it definitely pays to play pin point position and never have to play a tough shot.
 
me and cameron have it right....its all about position, but position is about shot making, which is commonly overlooked. Because if you aren't a good shot maker youll miss when trying to get position thus nullifying the whole endevor. Since as ive mentioned in other posts pool player ratings maybe one of the most subjective things in sports a B player is one of those subjectivities. So if your a B player your shot making should be good enough to work on the position you need to. If you find yourself missing (which something tells me you are) while trying to attain position, work on simple position (dont be too proud to start off easy) and like I said before think ahead. But the school your going to will tell you all this, while giving you personal instruction so good luck dude.
 
Well, I'd just like to say there are a lot of reasons for consistently leaving yourself long and it would be impossible to give a specific answer. You might want to consider the following. Some or all may apply:

1. Are you giving yourself a specific position target? There are certain marks on the table that I will typically aim for. Center-table (parallel to side-pockets), head-string, foot-string, etc. I'm always looking at the table in this way.

2. Are you taking the best route? Many times there are routes that will yield better results. Sometimes, great players will take easier routes to ensure position and other times, they'll take riskier shots to yield great position. A great degree of judgement needs to be taken when choices are available. Sometimes, the choice is obvious yet other times, not so.

3. Lastly, you need to remember that long-position isn't always a bad thing. The key to great nine-ball is angle management. No matter how close or far away you might be, you want to have the correct angle that will get you to the next ball. A seven-foot shot on the correct side can be much much easier than a 2-foot shot on the wrong side. Yes, it's important to make your job easy but short-shots do not automatically translate into an easy task.

No matter what, you need to remember that pool is a journey. Nobody is perfect and although this may appear to be a glaring flaw in your game, I assure you, others have similar criticisms about their games. Don't worry so much about addressing specific problems. There's rarely a silver bullet and you're unlikely to find it in this case. Continue to play and your touch will improve along with your sense of judgement.
 
I feel that *always* using the same weight cue will go a long way toward being consistent with speed control. So I would not recommend switching cues.

For me the thing is how much is the cue ball hitting the object ball? Full hit? 3/4 hit? 1/2? 1/4? Thin cut?

With a full hit the cue ball will tend to die. With a thin cut, the cue ball will go flying off into space. So I factor this in before shooting.

Also how many rails will the cue ball hit after the shot? Each time the cue ball hits a rail, it takes a little speed off the ball.

Then "natural" english can speed up a ball when it hits a rail (at an angle), but reverse english will slow it down.
 
I am sure that you will get a lot of good advice here, so I only have a few comments.

You must realize that the more accurate your stroke is, the easier your position will come. Working on your stroke is paramount to getting good position.

I am sure that you realize that visualizing the shot and speed before you shoot is also important. One thing you might try that I have found very useful is to see the TANGENT line - i.e. direction of the cue ball - while you are lining up the shot. Sounds simple and stupid, but this will help you visualize the shot and the true speed needed to get where you are going.

Your tendency to go long reminds me of a funny story about by high school buddy on the golf team.

One day he left a putt short and his opponent said: "never up never in". From that day on, and I kid you not, my buddy NEVER left a putt short. If he had a 20 footer, he always went 5 or 10 feet past, and we always said "never up never in" LOL.

You could have the "never up never in" syndrome LOL. Sorry, I just had to say that.
 
CueTech School

From everything i've read about the CueTech pool school i'm confident they can help me out.

When i say i'm a b player maybe i can be a little bit more accurate. I'm a 7 in apa 8 ball, a 8 in apa 9 ball. Open player in BCA.

I'm working very hard on my stroke right now. i have a couple issues with it too.

Thanks for all the advise.
 
cbi1000 said:
Hello,
I'm a good open B player and i'm ready to make the next step. So i'm in this state of trying to improve my game. Really paying attention to details.

One thing i'm finding out it when i leave myself bad it's because i leave the cue long. It is driving me crazy. So here is my question, what do i do about it? Is it a feel thing i need to keep praticing on to improve? Mental? Cue too lite (lite cue might have faster cue speed)? Tip too hard?

I am attending the cuetech pool school next month and maybe they can help, but i felt like asking all of you first.

Thanks,
Capone 19.0oz cue, everest tip.
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Play the cueball halfway to the object ball on each shot, so you are practicing your speed on each shot. If you're sending the cueball to a rail and then toward the ball try to land exactly half way between the rail and the ball. If it's a crossing path try to land right in the middle of the acceptable range. Be sure you are pocketing balls consistently in the center of the pocket, if not, you're speed will be off.

unknownpro
 
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