legal or illegal hit/shot

Celophanewrap said:
It appears that you see things one way and that way is your way, if others don't see it the same way, well, then they are absolutely wrong.
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That is not what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that people do not take the entire contents of the rule book and apply it. Instead they may take a little snipit of it. Example: APA team manual has a BIH section listing a-j as the only BIH fouls that can be committed, all others are sportsmanship issues. So some attempt to claim anything not explicitly mentioned in that section does not result in a BIH foul because if it did, it would be there. A double hit is not in that listing, it is mentioned above it as a foul though. So what kind of foul since it is not in the BIH foul section? See where I am coming from now?

If you were told by the APA office that the upward motion of the tip is considered a legal stroke and is not a foul, then I will not argue it is.
 
Celophanewrap said:
Did you show him?
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It is mentioned as a foul right above the section that says "These are the only fouls resulting in ball-in-hand. All other violations are sportsmanship violations. The ball-in-hand fouls are as follows:" then list a-j what are BIH fouls. Double hit is not explicitly mentioned. My argument then was that it falls under G - altering path of cue ball.

That entire section shows just how poorly worded and organized their rule books are.
 
Skippy27 said:
Unless we are talking about 2 different things then it most certainly is not.

You are placing the tip under the curvature of the cue ball and lifting the tip up to move the ball forward. There is not a person alive, nor that has ever lived or will live, that can stroke forward less then 1/16th of an inch to make a legal hit.

Technically you can do this same thing going from any side, but that is moot.
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We are talking about two different things. Look at the post I was responding to. I was not responding to the OP.
 
Chopdoc said:
I would. :grin:
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Of course you would, you're a highly educated man and I'm sure would make a compelling argument and in the end you'd likely be right, however, realize that this league that we're talking about has some rules that most traditional pool player would label as 'questionable', but they seem to work for The APA, most of the time and when players that choose to graduate from the APA they seem to adapt without much difficulty to a more traditional pool game and the rules. Whereas folks from a more traditional pool background don't always have such an easy time coming to the APA from the game they have been playing all their lives. For instance, the guy that has been playing bar pool all his life and had developed a pretty good game joins an APA team. The first time an APA player plays a lock up defensive shot may bring the bar player to the point of fist-a-cuffs, and that would be after he calms down a little. The APA takes some getting used to if you're not starting there and the learning curve might pretty difficult for some to fathom, it ain't for everyone
 
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Same scenario.
But I jack straight up and hit the front of the Cue ball in between the cue and the rock. No double hit.
Super follow too,
Nick :)
 
Skippy27 said:
Unless we are talking about 2 different things then it most certainly is not.

You are placing the tip under the curvature of the cue ball and lifting the tip up to move the ball forward. There is not a person alive, nor that has ever lived or will live, that can stroke forward less then 1/16th of an inch to make a legal hit.

Technically you can do this same thing going from any side, but that is moot.
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You are talking about 2 different things. You are talking about lifting the stick up and bumping the cue ball, he was talking about a masse.
 
nine o nine said:
The cb and ob are very close together....1/16th". To avoid a double hit is it legal to have the cue tip on the cloth near the bottom of the cb and swipe upwards? The swipe could be angled off or even straight up in order to avoid the chance of a double hit foul. Mitch
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Here is column from 1997 about the shot. There had been no official ruling about the shot at that time. As mentioned above, the shot is now ruled to be illegal.
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997.pdf -- see October
 
Celophanewrap said:
Of course you would, you're a highly educated man and I'm sure would make a compelling argument and in the end you'd likely be right, however, realize that this league that we're talking about has some rules that most traditional pool player would label as 'questionable', but they seem to work for The APA, most of the time and when players that choose to graduate from the APA they seem to adapt without much difficulty to a more traditional pool game and the rules. Whereas folks from a more traditional pool background don't always have such an easy time coming to the APA from the game they have been playing all their lives. For instance, the guy that has been playing bar pool all his life and had developed a pretty good game joins an APA team. The first time an APA player plays a lock up defensive shot may bring the bar player to the point of fist-a-cuffs, and that would be after he calms down a little. The APA takes some getting used to if you're not starting there and the learning curve might pretty difficult for some to fathom, it ain't for everyone
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I think I just got hooked.



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Celophanewrap said:
Did you show him? The guy was an asshat, you should have bet him your team's drink tab for the evening first
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the double hit alters the path of the cue ball ...... and you strike the cue ball more than once.

it is a foul..................... BIH

Kim
 
garczar said:
Swipe is not considered a stroke. Locally we play where if the balls are the width of a chalk cube(or closer) together then you have to shoot away at an angle. If they're touching you can do what you want.
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I believe this is less than the width of a chalk cube.

https://youtu.be/3RbJI0oDKCc

You have to watch how the cue ball behaves after contact to determine if it was a good or bad hit.
 
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