Legend vs Young Gambler woofin over the use of a jump cue!

Jump cues are a joke. Ask any really good player and I bet he will tell you the same... unless he is sponsored buy one, or if he doesn't kick that well.

Guy I give the last 6 and the break to can jump a ball when it's 3 inches behind the ball. lol.
 
pretty simple

Its irellevent wether or not jump cues should or should not be used in tourney play.As long a 2 players agree before matching up.At least this was before they started playing,can you imagine the fiasco if the youngster had pulled out the jumper mid-match?
 
donny mills said:
Jump cues are a joke. Ask any really good player and I bet he will tell you the same... unless he is sponsored buy one, or if he doesn't kick that well.

Guy I give the last 6 and the break to can jump a ball when it's 3 inches behind the ball. lol.
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So what? I can draw my ball two table lengths. That doesn't mean I have a chance in hell of beating you. You might as well say my pool cue is a joke because it draws the ball.

The reason you can give up the six and the break is because the guy doesn't have the skills to put it all together to beat you.

So the guy can make the cueball hop over another ball at three inches? I know people who can jump a chalk's width and they still can't run three balls. What does he do with the shot when he jumps? Does he know how to stop his rock, play jumps with side spin, with follow, judge the speed right? Or does he just hop and hope?

The point is that it's a SHOT.

Everything you have to do with a level shot is still there. You have to judge where and how you want to hit the object ball, what speed and spin to use AND on top of that what angle to use.

I don't care if someone is great at getting the ball to jump but has no clue how to control their rock. In fact, I welcome it.

I will take your bet and ask every known player I come across their opinion of jump cues at the SBE. I bet not every good player says the same thing.

How much would you like to bet? :-)

I will bet you dinner that the jump cue is not a joke and that I can convince you of it if you stop by my booth.
 
Anyway, back to the woofing...

The "Legend" is Jimmy Mataya and the "Young Gambler" is Lee Lambaria from Detroit/Flint. The story behind this is Lee had just snapped off the big 9-ball tourney with Earl, Corey, Charlie Bryant, Ronnie Wisemen and Jimmy in it, Johnny stayed in his room, so he was feeling pretty good about the way he was playin. He's a confident guy anyway, throw in the $1250/90 man event he had won minutes earlier, that's what you get. Lee has been around for a while, hardly a "young gun". Oh yeah, and Jimmy had about 58 Bud Lights before that. No harm no foul, good times.
 
OMG and i thought only we had backward old people here ahahhahahaa that was to funny.

The kid should have jsut called him out after the first minute and said fine no jump cue and the old guy would have sat down adn had to think of another reason not to play.

Anyhow that was GREATTTTTTTTTT.
 
One day you will be 65 poolplayer and you won't appreciate younger people telling you things like that. I won't debate with you, I just wonder do you know the entire history of jump cues. They've probably been around a lot longer than you think and the top players have never really endorsed their usage. More skill in kicking, Mataya was probably out matched and he wanted to match up as close as possible. It all made sense to me.
 
Pushout said:
I ain't sixty five yet, but so do I:rolleyes:
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Thought you might like to know I ran into Mike Lane last week. He played in a tournament in Syracuse at Cap's Cue Club. Seems we are all getting a little older than we want to be though. Still has that beautiful stroke. Great to see him.

Found out sixty five is not a death sentence. Took great pleasure beating all those young folks. Guess "old age and treachery will beat youth and exuberance everytime!"

Hope you and yours are well.

Lyn
 
JB Cases said:
Well......of course I take the other side........I feel like the old guy should get with the program and use the new equipment.

I mean we aren't playing with maces on woven mats with bundled straw for bumpers. Imagine in Tennis if Jimmy Conners got up in Agassi's face and said he'd play but only if they used wooden racquets.

Can you see the dialog? "Listen punk, anyone can hit the ball 97 miles an hour with a graphite cyborg arm attached to your wrist, get your ass up there and do it with a piece of nature like we did it in my day.........."

The jump cue - here we go again - is a part of the modern game and has been for 20 years. It's stock equipment for anyone who wants to be part of pool now. If you don't want to use one and limit the amount of shots available to you then don't but don't seek to limit everyone else as well.

I mean imagine how it was when the guy with a cube of chalk showed up in town. All those great players who hadn't used chalk and didn't know how to use sidespin would have been *****ing about it. Look punk we play pool here without magic fairy dust on the ends of our cues and if you want to gamble with us then you have to go without it as well.

The "Twig" is a part of pool and has been for 20 years - get over it already.
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Awesome comment
 
roncook said:
Here is the problem with jump cues .... A lot of players do not even have a leather tips on their jump cue. As far as I am concerned, jump cues are great if they have legal tips on them, but with illegal tips on them you can hardly hook anyone anymore. That is the problem.

If leather is not used on the tip they should be illegal to use in a match unless both players don't care.

If I go to a tournament with a leather tip jump cue which mine is, I have a disadvantage if someone is using a tip other than leather. If the tournament director could care less about the cue tips I have a disadvantage when it comes to hooking someone in the match.
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It just means you have to play better safeties. I mean, if I'm playing against some jobber at the local pool hall, I only care about getting the cue ball in the right area to impede the player's ability to hit the ball. If I'm playing against a pro, I know that's not good enough and I really need to lock him up against a ball. Legal/Illegal, hogwash. The equipment keeps getting better and you have to assess the situation for what it is and play the appropriate shot. Just my opinion.
 
Neil said:
Personally, I find it rather disgusting that the "young gun" would talk like that to the legend and the pro. Granted, the legend and the pro have surely been known to talk crap too, but the young gun hasn't proven a thing yet compared to them. What ever happened to respect?? Not to mention that both are old enough to be the young guns father. (I know who they are, but it's Perks thread, if he wants to out them, it's up to him.)
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Agreed!!!!!!!!
 
mikeyfrost said:
...Mataya was probably out matched and he wanted to match up as close as possible. It all made sense to me.
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That's my take on the scene. I'm left to think Jimmy thought he had the worst of it with Lee and therefore resorted to an over the top chest puffing no real men uses twigs spiel. He musta said jump cues 60 times. The woofing got annoyingly repetitive, surely the beer played a role in the record skipping. They could have made a game if they wanted, they just didn't want to bad enough.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
Old people are always afraid of change. it's the way of the world. give it time they'll be gone soon enough
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Look out, your taking on the AARP here. I just sold my house and all my stuff so I could move to FL and play everyday with the old geezers.

We are not afraid of change, long as it comes in big denomiations - you know hundreds, fifties, etc.
 
Perk said:
Figured I would share a sound bite from this weekend.

Little bit of woofin from Alpena this past weekend. In this sound bite you get to hear a Legend, a current pro, and a young gambler. All the heckling for a $1000.00 set and the use of a jump cue.

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Im not sure how many of you gamble but this has bad action written all
over it.Like one of those games you wish you wouldnt of got into win or lose.
 
8pack said:
Im not sure how many of you gamble but this has bad action written all
over it.Like one of those games you wish you wouldnt of got into win or lose.
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Well........I have never seen Jimmy Mataya get in a game quietly. If you match up with him you had better be able to take the verbal abuse because you're gonna get it like it or not.

Now people make all sorts of stipulations and Jimmy can make any conditions he wants to and either the other guy agrees or not. But I am pretty sure that ole' Jimmy can figure out how to use a jump cue in about five minutes.

He had better watch out though trying to pull the "no jump cue" move because a lot of players these days also know how to kick pretty damn good too.

Hell, even I kicked in two tough ones tonight.
 
I crack up when I hear someones arguement start with A) Real men....... or B) If the pros.....................

It is cheesy but my saying is "Doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning"

Be a good sport, show some class, and respect the game. All that matters is if you can make the balls or not. Shouldn't matter if you use a custom cue, walmart cue, jump cue, broom stick, walking stick, etc...... Thats what I love about pool.
 
It is the natural progression of the game. I will list a few items that are now common that I am sure gave the same argument when they first came around.

Synthetic balls (no longer clay)
Cues with tips (originally maces then with ends similar to the butt)
Simonis cloth (many pros still argue this one)
Table size (no longer 5 x 10)
Rubber cushions
Side pockets

Really, people should just adjust. They have been around long enough to be accepted as not going away. If you want to use the argument that these things are not "pool" then go play in a museum.
 
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