Lesson with Dennie Orcullo Today

I went to Jay Helfert's house today for a lesson with Dennis - correct spelling is Orcullo and it is pronounced Or-cool-yo (approximately).

The irony of starting your post with an explanation of how Dennis' last name is spelled and
pronounced, whilst misspelling his first name in the title of the thread is heartwarming:tongue:

gr. Dave

p.s. Just messing with you TATE!
 
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Why was he using outside english if all the champion filipinos use a touch of inside to open the pocket?
 
So Tate is now so buddy-buddy with one of the best pool players in the world that he calls him Dennie.

Interesting ;)

I just caught that typo, thanks. Too funny. I actually referred to him as "Mr. God Sir" during the lessons. He seemed a little uncomfortable with that and asked me to return to my feet.
 
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Awesome experience, I'm jealous!!! Great price and great information, thx for sharing.

I had a chance to do a 2 day group lesson with Efren and Bustamante. Learned some good thing, but since it was group and shared with other instructors as well it wasn't as good as what you did. Experience was awesome though.

Where I'm at with my game, I want to do EXACTLY what you did - play 9/10 ball, and have someone suggest things, critique rhythm/patterns, etc. I've done a lot of this work myself, and play pretty sporty, but recently Blackjack just mentioned a few things on a video I sent him and it changed the way I shoot for the better.

More of that would be great (and I'll be picking his brain some more too). Unfortunately, at the "A" level and above, so much of the game is about confidence (gained through practice and competition) and mental focus. Some very difficult things to focus on, was so much easier when just learning to hold the cue stick, draw the ball or learning how to move around the table... :)

Scott
 
Mostly he recommended outside English, drawing two rails, when given the option. The other thing he really prefers to get shot angles and that more or less create natural paths to the next position and to keep each position play as simple as possible, even if it means longer shots. He did not really ever suggest the typical power follow inside English shots, but used more direct routes.

Besides the simple position routes, the main point he made about position play was not to stroke any harder than necessary because, as he said "pressure" causes you to miss. Pressure meaning excessive force. Say I was shooting a straight in on a fairly long shot and wanted to draw back a foot to make my next shot shorter on the other end of the table. He said no, just use a stop shot and leave the next shot a foot longer. His logic was you were less likely to miss each ball this way.


Thank you. Certainly works for Dennis. Plays to his strengths. Noteworthy advice to the rest of us.
 
Tate, where would you rate your game? (B - A++ Etc) Also, $50 an hour with one of the best players in world is a steal. Could you imagine trying to get that kind of one on one instruction with the best in any other sport? They'd laugh in your face if you offered $50 an hour. That's the only benefit of not having any money or sponsors in our sport, the top pros are easily accessible and fairly cheap for one on one lessons.

Out here I'm an "A" player. Usually I only play a few times a year, but since moving my offices to my home, I've been practicing more often. I give the shortstops a good match but lose to the pros.

Once we went through a few racks he said "you have the skills, now you need to work on consistency". Which is why he recommends so much table time.

Dennis says he spends a lot of time (I mean 8 - 10 hours a day) practicing by himself. His focus is on practice, not playing matches. He plays matches but he attributes his amazing skills to his practice regimen.

Dennis' concept of consistency is to not have any weaknesses. I could see why. Whether we know it or not, we play to our strengths (shots we're comfortable with). When he is telling you what position to play to your next shot, he discovers those weaknesses.

I'll post a couple of tables of shots and show you what I am talking about.
 
Orcollo

Everything on this post was great, but this sentence below is the greatest contribution. Thanks.

"I went to Jay Helfert's house today for a lesson with Dennis - correct spelling is Orcullo and it is pronounced Or-cool-yo (approximately)."

Freddie <~~~ now I can rest at night!

Thanks Freddie for noticing.I agree.
It's 'Orcollo' Lotta people pronounce it Orcullio. No 'i' in Orcollo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Orcollo
 
Why was he using outside english if all the champion filipinos use a touch of inside to open the pocket?

They like to use inside and not necessarily "touch of inside." For goodness sake! Please let's not go there. I am really enjoying this thread. Lot's of valuable information. Let's not ruin it.
 
Here's an example. on the diagram below, I said I was going to draw the cueball back a foot and shoot the two in the corner with 1 rail shape to the 3. he said no, shoot the one ball and stop. His reasoning was that the difficulty of the 1 ball shot increases with the force necessary to draw, so don't take the chance.

(remember we're playing on tight tables).
 

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Here's another one. I wanted to draw back for the two in the upper corner. He had me just stop and shoot it at the other corner. His reasoning was there was less chance of messing it up.
 

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He often uses two rail kicks in these situations, even when the 1 rail route is there.
 

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He showed me this rail-first safety after I unsuccessfully tried to hook him with a thin cut.
 

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My tendency on this shot would be to follow and go around the 3 and 4 to get position. His move is to draw it as shown, to completely avoid the balls and have less worries about speed control.
 

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Here's another one. I wanted to draw back for the two in the upper corner. He had me just stop and shoot it at the other corner. His reasoning was there was less chance of messing it up.

I understand the first one. I actually noticed that was how Jose Parica played years ago. He settled for a lot of longer shots than other players. I always thought it was just because he was shorter -- but maybe not. Hmmm.

I always liked Buddy Hall's saying - "Why play position when you already have it?"

The second one I don't quite understand. It seems like you would at least have to roll forward a bit to get an easier shot. I don't like that shot on the 2 ball at all. I would avoid it by drawing back like you were thinking.

It is interesting though. Thanks again for sharing these.
 
I understand the first one. I actually noticed that was how Jose Parica played years ago. He settled for a lot of longer shots than other players. I always thought it was just because he was shorter -- but maybe not. Hmmm.

I always liked Buddy Hall's saying - "Why play position when you already have it?"

The second one I don't quite understand. It seems like you would at least have to roll forward a bit to get an easier shot. I don't like that shot on the 2 ball at all. I would avoid it by drawing back like you were thinking.

It is interesting though. Thanks again for sharing these.

The diagram is probably a little off. It was a fairly reasonable shot on the two. Although I don't like these kinds of shots, he's completely comfortable with them. You get the idea though.
 
Also, Dennis did say he name was correctly spelled with a U. Pronunciation issues probably lead to the original misspelling.
 
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Tate
Glad it went well

I took part in the group lesson a couple weeks back. Even in the group setting I was able to gain a lot of information I found good.

An interesting thing you mentioned was that he used a lot of english. I think you mean he uses English often.
We talked and discussed there how little english(distance from center) he uses and still gets incredible action.
His cue ball seemed to go across the tangents much faster than even other Pros I have seen.

No apparent system but he did give a little thought on how he starts off a bank shot. Ends up being feel but he had a couple other thoughts in there as well.

I watched his backhand, his eyes and observed his bridges and gained some useful information. On several shots he never looked at the cueball. He even said that on easy ones he doesn't have to. He looked at OB as he was going down and then fired.

I liked that he starts almost 100% of all his shots off in the same manner. Hand in same spot. Body is same or similar position then goes into the shot.

He was very personable as well. Very open and answered everything we asked.

I enjoyed learning about his start in pool and how he first went north to play in the better rooms.

Overall I paid $50 and thought I was stealing. Very good experience

Have to say that we got a tour of the Tiger setup as well and Tony was extremely nice. Learned a lot doing that part of the day too.

Hi Frank, how are you?

One thing he also did was use the diamonds as markers for position play. I already use balls as targets for position direction, but the diamonds give a little added mental image. I really don't use diamonds as markers except when lining up banks, kicks and combinations, so this gave me a little something to practice.
 
Something else I remember. Dealing with nerves:

He said he does get nervous. He said when he makes a bad shot, he immediately forgets it and tries not to show any frustration, because your frustration emboldens your opponent and makes matters worse.

He takes a couple of deep breaths and slows down everything. He knows that nerves make you rush and rushing makes you miss. When he's nervous, he likes to go extra slow and that calms him down.
 
I went to Jay Helfert's house today for a lesson with Dennis - correct spelling is Orcullo and it is pronounced Or-cool-yo (approximately).
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More like Or-Cool-You.
Not a yo like in yoyo.


Great post Tate. I'm happy you had a great session.
 
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