Let's just all play Rotation already!

CrownCityCorey

CrownCityCorey

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Forget playing 9-Ball or 10-Ball and let's just go ahead and play Rotation!

The US is already falling behind at a rapid rate. Good players come here from the Phillipines and play the equivelant of 3-Ball with us and rob most everyone.

Let's beat em at their own game :eek:
 
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Rotation, banks, breaking, and 14.1 are my normal practice routine. Like anything else....practice something much harder than you need to for competition and your life will be much easier.

Gerry
 
CrownCityCorey said:
Why that is our very own "TATE".
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Yupp! It's TATE alright! Somebody's gotta tell him that the 2 and 3 are
suppose to be in the rear corners, 1 on top, and the 15 in the middle of the
pack, and the rest of the balls are all random, at least that's what the
rulebook says.

I can tell you how Filipinos rack em up, 1 on top, followed by the 13 and the
14, the 12 and 11 sandwiches the 15 in the middle, the 4th row comes 7, 10,
9 and 8 while the 3, 4, 6, 5 and 2 brings up the rear...
 
Where can I find more information about rotation... rules and such. A website is what I'm thinking
 
Is rotation the same thing as 61? There's a couple of guys that play it around here. There's a lot of riding the high stripes in that game.
 
gopi-1 said:
Yupp! It's TATE alright! Somebody's gotta tell him that the 2 and 3 are
suppose to be in the rear corners, 1 on top, and the 15 in the middle of the
pack, and the rest of the balls are all random, at least that's what the
rulebook says.

I can tell you how Filipinos rack em up, 1 on top, followed by the 13 and the
14, the 12 and 11 sandwiches the 15 in the middle, the 4th row comes 7, 10,
9 and 8 while the 3, 4, 6, 5 and 2 brings up the rear...
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Sorry, I'm still learning!

Corey - when you say let's play rotation, does that mean we have to learn math too?

Chris
 
CrownCityCorey said:
Forget playing 9-Ball or 10-Ball and let's just go ahead and play Rotation!

The US is already falling behind at a rapid rate. Good players come here from the Phillipines and play the equivelant of 3-Ball with us and rob most everyone.

Let's beat em at their own game :eek:
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Don't worry about it. The Phillipines is going to catch up to us in diminished skills. I was told this weekend while I was in Manila that most everyone matches up in 9 Ball and 10 Ball now and they hardly play Rotation. If ture then it's my opinon that the next generation of players won't have a lot of the skills and shots that they would have learned playing Rotation.

A lot of players in the Phillipines haven't even heard of one-pocket and don't know the Efren is the greatest one pocket player. It's funny.

But yes Corey, I agree wholeheartedly. IF we played Rotation the right way and seriously then we would learn a lot of shots and skills that we currently don't have.

The way the Filipinos move the cueball in my opinion comes directly from having to learn how through Rotation and also on wet sticky tables.

When I watched the players at One Side there were often shots where then had to go three rails and depend on the reverse english on the third rail to get into a tight space. And they did it time after time.

I watched the players and noticed that the stroking techniques are all over the board. Some had the wild swings of Bustamante and some had textbook no-movement strokes. Some played with long bridges and others were closer to the ball. So for that I can conclude the biggest difference to playing styles is simply experience with Rotation and under varied conditions.
 
John Barton said:
Don't worry about it. The Phillipines is going to catch up to us in diminished skills. I was told this weekend while I was in Manila that most everyone matches up in 9 Ball and 10 Ball now and they hardly play Rotation. If ture then it's my opinon that the next generation of players won't have a lot of the skills and shots that they would have learned playing Rotation.

A lot of players in the Phillipines haven't even heard of one-pocket and don't know the Efren is the greatest one pocket player. It's funny.

But yes Corey, I agree wholeheartedly. IF we played Rotation the right way and seriously then we would learn a lot of shots and skills that we currently don't have.

The way the Filipinos move the cueball in my opinion comes directly from having to learn how through Rotation and also on wet sticky tables.

When I watched the players at One Side there were often shots where then had to go three rails and depend on the reverse english on the third rail to get into a tight space. And they did it time after time.

I watched the players and noticed that the stroking techniques are all over the board. Some had the wild swings of Bustamante and some had textbook no-movement strokes. Some played with long bridges and others were closer to the ball. So for that I can conclude the biggest difference to playing styles is simply experience with Rotation and under varied conditions.
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I read about that too, but very often it gets mixed up with his 9ball fame. I think 1pocket lost its popularity even before the younger generations pick up the cuesticks.
 
gopi-1 said:
I can tell you how Filipinos rack em up, 1 on top, followed by the 13 and the
14, the 12 and 11 sandwiches the 15 in the middle, the 4th row comes 7, 10,
9 and 8 while the 3, 4, 6, 5 and 2 brings up the rear...
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Last night I racked the balls in this order and ran 1 out of 5 racks (with ball in hand after the break), usually I run 1 out of 20 or so. The balls seem to spread in a much easier pattern this way, will keep racking like this for the next week or so and see if the results are the same.
 
gopi-1 said:
I can tell you how Filipinos rack em up, 1 on top, followed by the 13 and the
14, the 12 and 11 sandwiches the 15 in the middle, the 4th row comes 7, 10,
9 and 8 while the 3, 4, 6, 5 and 2 brings up the rear...
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That's GOLD my friends! :D

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Fart sniffer said:
Last night I racked the balls in this order and ran 1 out of 5 racks (with ball in hand after the break), usually I run 1 out of 20 or so.
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Well, you should have played 15 more racks; I'm sure it would have balanced things out :p

-Andrew
 
TATE said:
Sorry, I'm still learning!

Corey - when you say let's play rotation, does that mean we have to learn math too?

Chris
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Tate, it doesn't matter how they were racked, this was a very good runout. I thought the seven to the eight would be trouble but you did it very nicely. P.S. now that I know who you are I do remember you.
 
thyme3421 said:
Where can I find more information about rotation... rules and such. A website is what I'm thinking
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We used to have an ongoing game all the time. The game I used to love is called (at least we called it) 1 + 3. Its played with all 15 balls racked like this ...

1 in the front, 5 & 8 next, 15 in the middle, 10 and 12 behind the 15, 3 in the center back row, 2 and 4 on the corners.

The order of the other balls doesn't matter.

The game starts off with no partners and 7 available points per game. They are the 3, 5, 8, 10, 12, 15 and "game" which is the cumulative total score after adding the numbers on the balls.

Partners develop with the pocketing of balls. Whom ever pockets the 1 ball will be partnered with who ever pockets the 3. If the same person pockets the 1 and the 3, the partner ball goes to the 5 and so on all the way to the 15 ball. If the same person can pocket all the money balls, they "go alone" and eveyone pays them whatever is decided to be the point value. Whoever pockets the 15 ball breaks.

No hits pay a point and that can either go toward the table time or be split among players at the end of the night, or ... if playing at a private home and the home owner is supplying food and drink, it can go to them.

Cue ball off the table is not a foul. Ball and cushion is not required, only a hit. Gentlemens agreement not to play intentional safetys.

Rotation of players can skip depending on partners since partner / non partner turns must alternate. Great game. Tons of fun.
 
I was taught a version of 9 ball (I'm sure others know it). Rack the 9 balls as you normally would. Then put the remaining 6 balls in the 2 corners of the rack. Break and play 9 ball, the other balls are just in the way.

Mind you, I can't even make 2 ballls playing this way:( . But at a high level it would bring in more safeties, and far tougher run outs.

Pete
 
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