Level cue?
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Keep in mind that the aiming point for your english with rotate with the level of your cue. If you jack up, a hit for draw may be at the stun spot if the cue were level with the table, since you are now driving downwards onto that point. So, as you elevate your cue, view the cue ball from the new perspective to find the point for draw. Hope that helps.
When you elevate the cue, you are actually bouncing the Cue Ball off the Table Base... kinda like a straight line masse' shot), if there is such a thing. Ricocheting the cue ball off the slate, to make an object ball, is likening to a Trick Shot...
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I concur and find that I can get more draw if I swipe the tip to the cloth downward a bit. - to keep the CB on the table.
Just sayin.
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I'm not a physics major but I think any elevation of the cue at all , even slight, causes the cueball to bounce even if it is imperceptable.
This doesn't seem to affect the shot as long as you hit dead center on the line from top to bottom. Anything even minutely off center left or right causes the cueball to go on a different path than straight.
The more distance between the balls the more pronounced the difference.
I have always thought that people who could put extreme draw at long distance were actually jumping the cueball into the object ball and hitting it on the fly or just before the ball and that this is what caused the cueball to not lose spin to the cloth as it traveled down the table.
{Just an opinion}.
This doesn't seem to affect the shot as long as you hit dead center on the line from top to bottom. Anything even minutely off center left or right causes the cueball to go on a different path than straight.
The more distance between the balls the more pronounced the difference.
I have always thought that people who could put extreme draw at long distance were actually jumping the cueball into the object ball and hitting it on the fly or just before the ball and that this is what caused the cueball to not lose spin to the cloth as it traveled down the table.
{Just an opinion}.
It's interesting to note that the cueball leaves the bed of the table even on firm follow shots with a level cue.
Mr book collector, I'm inclined to think the cue ball does in fact get deflected upward, off the table, just as the cue ball is deflected sideways on a shot with side spin.
QUOTE: It's interesting to note that the cueball leaves the bed of the table even on firm follow shots with a level cue. UNQUOTE This problem says a lot for center-ball cuing.
QUOTE: It's interesting to note that the cueball leaves the bed of the table even on firm follow shots with a level cue. UNQUOTE This problem says a lot for center-ball cuing.
About the only time I shoot jacked up is over a rail. Otherwise, Mr. Cueball can do strange things.
The only time I jack up (when not forced by rail or interfering ball) is when I need more than 8 diamonds of draw. 8 diamonds or less can be done with the cue as flat as normal.
I have always let the physical obstruction of the rail or balls define how level my cue can be.
Unless I have a darn good reason to, I don't elevate the angle of the cue.
There are those who have learned, incorrectly, to shoot that way. They will claim until they are blue in the face that it works better. When confronted they will claim it simply works better for them.
When I was teaching skills in a previous life cue elevation was one of the hardest habits to break in a player. The longer they had been doing it and the better they thought it worked, the harder it was to change it. Changing it invariably destroyed their shooting at first so they had to have good faith in the instructor to stick with it. If not then they immediately reverted.
It's about as hard a habit to break as a "steering" follow through, and I always considered them cousins as far as bad habits, they often are found together in the same player.
That being said, many great players have bad habits, they simply compensate for them.
The longer the tip stays in contact with the cb, the more spin will be applied. The more elevated the cue, the quicker the tip leaves contact with the cb.
So, your way will work, and will work for many shots. Just don't expect terrific drawing when really needed, or possibly be as consistent as you could be drawing the rock....
Most people will agree that a level cue is best in terms of drawing the ball, or in most shots that you take. If you want to elevate slightly with your cue that's fine, since that is they way you want to shoot. There might come a time where you start having a hard time controlling your draw, for instance, under drawing a ball or over drawing a ball. If that happens you may want to explore leveling your cue.
Leveling your cue will give you better range in terms of where to contact the cue ball with the precise speed for any specific shot. Food for thought.
Leveling your cue will give you better range in terms of where to contact the cue ball with the precise speed for any specific shot. Food for thought.
The old rule was every degree you elevate you lose a % of accuracy... I tend to vary my attack angle depending on what I am trying to accomplish... With a ball close to the hole I can afford to lose some accuracy if I want to do a nip/quick draw.....
Charlie Williams seems to draw well, elevated, or not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNGsN0cMoE
There's a discussion of this here:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=199138
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNGsN0cMoE
There's a discussion of this here:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=199138
CW has wrong fundamentals ( talking about textbook style), almost no pause, he jumped up during the stroke and he has a pretty elevated stroke. Obviously his style works for him, but it is not recommended. Keith McCready has a side arm stroke and it works very well for him, but you as a pool instructor, would teach that kind of stroke to a beginner?
Sorry for my bad english.
That what some here are talkin bout. Thanks.
One needs to stroke with the tip scrubbing/swiping the CB down for more contact time to effect more spin/draw before the CB is sent airborn. This is also appearant with other english like left and right where a wrist flip might do the trick.
This should be studied more.:thumbup:
I watched the CW video, CW did elevate his Cue less, when the Cue ball was some distance off the rail.
It seems to me, that elevating the Cue changes the relationship of Cue Tip to Cue Ball, which for me has caused some miscues. Just an idea.
I believe we all elevate the Cue to draw the Cue ball in tight places.
It seems to me, that elevating the Cue changes the relationship of Cue Tip to Cue Ball, which for me has caused some miscues. Just an idea.
I believe we all elevate the Cue to draw the Cue ball in tight places.