Thank you!
Lift the ban bca!!!!!!
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Thank you!
Of course those games mentioned will not use, nor need, phenolic tips. They do not need to power the break like rotation games plus you can shoot at any ball on the table, not just the lowest numbered ball so jumping would be at a minimum if it allowed at all. it just struck me funny that those games were mentioned as part of an argument. I should have used a funny face when I posted, something like this :wink: oror
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Sorry for the confusion.
Dave
It's alright dave I look at from a different aspect lets say Dennis accullo and Shane van boing are playing 10 ball even who has the stronger break? now what the difference both with leather tips? now how about both with phenolic tips?
Now look at like a,b,c,d, players a has a strong break leather tip and can run out player c needs phenolic tip to get there break up to spend [ lack of practice ] play c plays combo and never runs out cant control his rock.
Therefore phenolic tips are just bandaids to make a C player feel he can compete withthe a players. C player still wont practice cause he feels he mastered something and can when now.
Craig
Exactly, the use for phenolic isnt there for 14.1 and 1 pocket. These games dont utilize the same principles as 9 and 10 ball. There is no need to shatter the racks in 14.1 and 1 pocket. The need for shattering a 10 ball rack became very obviuse this last week during the bartram schmidt match and the predator 10 ball. The added rigidity in the phenolic 1 piece ferrule and tip combos allows for a more powerfull brake end of story. If the pros were using phenolics on there cues how can some one argue? Obviusly they think its a great product, as well as a huge majority of cue makers and players. Even those that dont jump brake with phenolics. However, most that dont jump are the first to agree with this new rulling. I hope it doesnt last more then the year.:thumbup:
I went out today and got one of my B/J shafts fitted with a shorter ferrule and an X-hard tip. I had them bring the tip half way down for a harder hit. I went out and played with it tonight. I can still get the action off the rack that phenolic allowed however now Im working harder to do it and in multiple days of competition play it could severly affect my playing. I was still able to jump most balls but the feel is very diffrent and now I have more to practice. Just to get my percentages back.
This is only my personal experience. I am no pro. I do consider myself a die hard fan.
shooter50014
Registered
the ban is probally more for people with 26+ MPR breaks
I would never think a jump would cause harm to the cue ball. Its not a speed shot.
I wonder if any cue repair men were in on the vote since noone will give a reason of how many cue balls they had to replace due to not rolling right. Maybe this year they will do away with those $5 cue balls that are crap and use red dots
I would never think a jump would cause harm to the cue ball. Its not a speed shot.
I wonder if any cue repair men were in on the vote since noone will give a reason of how many cue balls they had to replace due to not rolling right. Maybe this year they will do away with those $5 cue balls that are crap and use red dots
The quality of the cue ball is not the same as before thats problem #1 #2 is the fact that alot of phenolic tips especialy from overseas crumble and leave debris on the table wearing out the cloth faster.you got
pool players
bar bangers
kids
adults
serious players
and pro's playing on the same tables everyday in a poolhall in a tournament room its a little different pros, amatures, league players all different styles of play on a table.
its always the equipment never a player there all experts at the game all equal in skill.
Craig
pool players
bar bangers
kids
adults
serious players
and pro's playing on the same tables everyday in a poolhall in a tournament room its a little different pros, amatures, league players all different styles of play on a table.
its always the equipment never a player there all experts at the game all equal in skill.
Craig
IMHO many will find another place to play, and the BCAPL will loose people at their events. Think about a half dozen lost entries will cost the BCAPL more than a few Red Dot Cue Balls. JMHO!
mongoose-
Banned
IMHO many will find another place to play, and the BCAPL will loose people at their events. Think about a half dozen lost entries will cost the BCAPL more than a few Red Dot Cue Balls. JMHO!
LOL don't say that... the APA will be using this as a sales pitch to recruit players.
You say it like they will be losing you from their league when in fact you don't even play in any league at all EVER.IMHO many will find another place to play, and the BCAPL will loose people at their events. Think about a half dozen lost entries will cost the BCAPL more than a few Red Dot Cue Balls. JMHO!
BVal
IMHO many will find another place to play, and the BCAPL will loose people at their events. Think about a half dozen lost entries will cost the BCAPL more than a few Red Dot Cue Balls. JMHO!
I have my doubts about this. You really think, aside from a few bangers who's main ability to compete hinges on using a phenolic tip for a superior break, that there will be any significant exodus of players from the BCAPL? I disagree. Frankly, I see it as a non-issue.
The use of phenolic tip has been going on for several years, and all of a sudden the phenolic tip is some evil instrument of destruction. Like I said I would bet more than a few players will stay away from the BCAPL Event in Sin City in 2010.
Maybe the problem is with the Cue Balls, and i wonder what the rockwell Hardness of the Phenolic Material is, and what the Rockwell hardness of the Cue Ball is?
Like I said Phenolic has been use for break tip for many years, and all of a sudden it is causing BALL DAMAGE? Very Strange.:wink:
Whatever. It's still a non-issue in my opinion. I just don't see many who enjoy BCA league play, the competition and the evenings out with friends giving it up for this issue, that's all.
First off, BCA or not:
1. How does phenolic tips, made out of the same material as a phenolic balls, damage phenolic balls? It doesnt, unless the phenolic tips are made out of a different phenolic than are in premium grade Aramith Phenolic balls (not cheap balls).
2. I understand the ban on G-10 tips as they are HARDER than phenolic so they can damage another phenolic ball.
3. ALOT of people have spent money buying phenolic jump sticks and break sticks and have wasted money doing so.
4. Personally, I would just soon provide my OWN phenolic premium grade Aramith balls for my matches, tournaments or not. That way I know they are clean, high quality and the like. So room owners and directors cant say I am damaging their equipment.
To be honest, I won't play in any event personally if they ban my phenolic tips. Tournaments are not the only facet I enjoy in this game anyway, it is matches and I dont match up with anyone that want allow phenolic tips or play in any tournament that won't allow the same.
1. How does phenolic tips, made out of the same material as a phenolic balls, damage phenolic balls? It doesnt, unless the phenolic tips are made out of a different phenolic than are in premium grade Aramith Phenolic balls (not cheap balls).
2. I understand the ban on G-10 tips as they are HARDER than phenolic so they can damage another phenolic ball.
3. ALOT of people have spent money buying phenolic jump sticks and break sticks and have wasted money doing so.
4. Personally, I would just soon provide my OWN phenolic premium grade Aramith balls for my matches, tournaments or not. That way I know they are clean, high quality and the like. So room owners and directors cant say I am damaging their equipment.
To be honest, I won't play in any event personally if they ban my phenolic tips. Tournaments are not the only facet I enjoy in this game anyway, it is matches and I dont match up with anyone that want allow phenolic tips or play in any tournament that won't allow the same.
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I think that if the BCAPL wants to ban phenolic, then they should also ban hand powder. Having that crap get all over the table is much more of a distraction than than some tiny cracks in the ball that you don't even notice while playing. The powder probably affects the game more too. I still have my doubts that the tiny cracks affect how the balls play at all.
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Power breaking with a phenolic tip does cause cracks in the cue ball, IMO. The question I keep trying to understand is why do these cracks matter?
Sorry, but I am jumping on your bandwagon.
The Billiard Congress of America can set the rules as they see fit.
I can also chose to NOT participate in any of their events.
Phenolic is the SAME material that good Aramith balls are made of so dont tell me they are damaging the balls.
Because owners buy CHEAP balls for play in some rooms is why I only go to quality pool establishments.
Let me ask you, the improvements in billiards should be used just like the new cures in medicine are used. If you want to live in the dark ages, go back there.
Are you thinking of boycotting? ABSOLUTELY all BCA events.
The Billiard Congress of America can set the rules as they see fit.
I can also chose to NOT participate in any of their events.
Phenolic is the SAME material that good Aramith balls are made of so dont tell me they are damaging the balls.
Because owners buy CHEAP balls for play in some rooms is why I only go to quality pool establishments.
Let me ask you, the improvements in billiards should be used just like the new cures in medicine are used. If you want to live in the dark ages, go back there.
Are you thinking of boycotting? ABSOLUTELY all BCA events.
We just made 6 Break Cues (the BreakRAK Series # III) with the Tiger J/B Leather tip. I will have pics very soon.
The cue is Brazilian Rosewood with a gorgeous curly birdsye maple grip handle & bushka stitched rings at A-B-C-D-E. The shaft is flat laminate maple & has a 5/8 ferrule.
The length is 58" long & the tip diameter is app'x 13.4 mm. They weigh in at about 19oz. & come with JPs... The cue is made by Auerbach Custom Cues.
The cue is Brazilian Rosewood with a gorgeous curly birdsye maple grip handle & bushka stitched rings at A-B-C-D-E. The shaft is flat laminate maple & has a 5/8 ferrule.
The length is 58" long & the tip diameter is app'x 13.4 mm. They weigh in at about 19oz. & come with JPs... The cue is made by Auerbach Custom Cues.
LOL ^ ^ ^
I will be going to the VNEA nationals next year. I will not be told to not use something thats ive been using for 5+ years, lol.
In checking the playbca.com web site, it still shows the old rule in the 2008-2009 handbook:
"The cue tip must be composed of leather, fibrous, pliable or phenolic material."
In regards to Bill Stock's earlier posting, before the BCAPL referees start penalizing players for using phenolic tips, they should publish the new rules first.
