lmao defense is a weakness.....

It takes some skill but there are ways to play defense while making it look like you are playing offense.
 
poolguppy said:
I played "actual dirty" against a guy once because of this very reason. Even though I was playing his rules, he was complaining about why ball in hand is stupid the whole game anyways. So he was down to the 8 ball..... and it was in the kitchen :). And I had heard enough from this guy, I was frozen to the rail with no good shot and he was over there smiling,I looked over and said "wanna know why ball in hand exists" and I shot the Cueball straight into a pocket, and said "I just fouled, but your the one who's punished". Dude started cussing up a storm and just walked out of the place
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Funny (or stupid, depending on how you look at it) thing is...you could have just kept on doing this until you got out, or until he finally kicked his 8-ball out of the kitchen. :thumbup:

Maniac ( even then...they just never "get" it!!!)
 
A friend came to my home town for a tournament. One time when he checked the rack before breaking, someone said "He must have seen that on ESPN". Later in the match, my friend plays a great carom to three rails and behind a ball, leaving no shot. He comes up to me after playing the safe and whispers "I saw that on ESPN too".
 
You talk about not accepting safety play...

lorider said:
i would like to give you and leto some insight on this subject.

its kinda sad to say i myself have uttered those same words my self in my younger days. having played in bars since i was 16 years old it was the only way i knew to play. its a culture thing. its they way a lot of people grow up being taught.

back then i would occasionally encounter some one in a bar that suggested " league rules ". i thought the same way you said that guy thought.

the snode remarks .. jeers... funny faces about the only rules i knew turned me off from associating with them and learning " their way " of playing pool.

as time went by i was watching pool on wide world of sports and was amazed at how well they played. i wanted to learn to play like that. i decided to go to the only pool in town and start to learn all i could. the " serious " players in their made me uncomfortable with the way they acted toward me " a banger " as serious pool players often refer to people that don't know how to play pool " the right way ".

i never went back to a pool hall again . i preferred to stay in my world where people like me played " bar rules ".

one day i was playing a guy in a bar and after i won about 4 in a row he asked me what league i played in. i said none.... i said i have never played league in my life. he asked why not. i said i did not think i was good enough. he said i was better than any one on his team and asked me if i would join.

i did not find out until the night i joined that it was bcapl 9 ball. i hated it because of the slop factor. i soon joined a bcapl 8 ball team. 8 ball was better but again there is still slop because its call your pocket" not call your shot.

the idea that defense is chhcken shit was so deeply ingrained in me it took 2 years before i finally come around to using defense. some bcapl players were friendly but there is still that stigma " bcapl is for serious players " from a lot of people.

i guess from my experience in bcapl is why i staunchly defend apa on here. they make every body feel welcome.

i played bcapl for a year then i quit pool entirely for about 4 years. a girl who is now my g/f got me to join apa 3 years ago. i learned more about english... cue ball control... defense... etc ...etc.. in my 1st 6 months in apa than the entire year i was in bcapl. apa team mates and opponents alike were more willing to teach me things and no one in bcapl would not even think about doing some thing like that.

thousands of bar bangers like i used to be might be willing to convert to serious poo if they were not treated like " bangers"

you may not have laughed in that guys face about his way of shooting pool but i bet your actions told him what you really thought.
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You talk about disdaining safety play and not being willing to learn it and wanting to be near the people who thought like you and then say that it was the other people who weren't willing to show you stuff.

Sounds more like it was you who wasn't willing to learn anything to me.

I'm willing to show and teach new stuff to anyone who's willing to learn, but if someone gives off an attitude like theirs is the best way, I'm not going to even bother trying to show them anything.

That's just asking for trouble. So you might want to rethink the reasoning behind what you experienced. Could it be that it was you who were being unreasonable with the BCAPL players and that the APA guys just didn't give a shit long enough for you to come around to being willing to learn new stuff???

Jaden
 
Inaction said:
A friend came to my home town for a tournament. One time when he checked the rack before breaking, someone said "He must have seen that on ESPN". Later in the match, my friend plays a great carom to three rails and behind a ball, leaving no shot. He comes up to me after playing the safe and whispers "I saw that on ESPN too".
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Love it!!!

Maniac
 
pt109 said:
I three-fouled a man once in a tournament.....
...about three games later I got him on two fouls again...
...and I got ball-in-hand,

He started complaining about my chickenshit moves....
I told him "I don't usually take advice off my opponent on how to play,
but in this case I might make an exception."
Then I surveyed the table carefully...and said "Nope, I'm totally hooked
on hooking people.

Then I put hm in a snooker that a GPS programmed by Efren Reyes wasn't
gonna find a way out."


I'm a bad dude....:cool:
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LOL.
BTW....Efren uses FPS (Filipino Positioning System). Right hand up to head....Scratch head a little to activate FPS...Chalk...Bend over and run out. More reliable than GPS and Google Maps.
 
FTR.....playing bar rules without BIH (and where safeties are frowned upon) can still be overcome by players like us that play "actual" rules. You just have to learn how to make your opponent think you are attempting a shot (and calling the shot, of course) when all actuality....you are secretly going to "miss" the shot, all the while putting the cue ball into a "safe" place :wink:. Then...watch your opponent scatter the balls all over the table while attempting some shot that has ZERO chance for success. It takes a little practice...but it's easy enough to figure out for even most novice players with safety skills.

Maniac[/QUOTE]

I have to quote Maniac here. "Bar rule" players (straight eight players) are all hypocrites when it comes to criticizing ball in hand. Most will pretend to attempt a shot and miss on purpose to get safe, shoot a non-performance shot where no ball gets to a rail and then say "oops", with no consequences, or scratch on propose to put the opponent in the kitchen leaving no easy shot. They play safes too, they just don't admit it and take responsibility for there shot choice and pretend they are playing with integrity. That is chickensh*t in my opinion.
 
pacemonster said:
LOL.
BTW....Efren uses FPS (Filipino Positioning System). Right hand up to head....Scratch head a little to activate FPS...Chalk...Bend over and run out. More reliable than GPS and Google Maps.
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I saw Efren get 3-fouled in 1991.....

Mind you, it turned out to be a bad move on the other player's part....
...Efren beat him 11-2
 
I'll play anybody and everybody that wants to play. I learned in a bar, so I'm used to people being sticklers for things like these. It was actually harder to find somebody that knew bih rules than it was to find bar rules players, at least before more players started showing up. Playing call shot teaches you a lot, but it can suck when there's a maybe-it-will-maybe-it-won't-skim ball blocking part of the pocket. I'm not one for dealing with drama when I'm just hanging out, so I'll just go along with whatever they want to play.

If you're wanting a serious game, playing by bih rules, you can't just go to a bar and expect that. It'll teach how you to run out just about anything you're left with, though!
 
pt109 said:
I saw Efren get 3-fouled in 1991.....

Mind you, it turned out to be a bad move on the other player's part....
...Efren beat him 11-2
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WOW! I've never seen ER get 3 fouled. And I've watched him plenty. Forget the 11-2 beat-down, that guy got a serious feather in his cap.

<-----Envious :D
 
pacemonster said:
WOW! I've never seen ER get 3 fouled. And I've watched him plenty. Forget the 11-2 beat-down, that guy got a serious feather in his cap.

<-----Envious :D
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It's in at least two AccuStats matches, Shannon Daulton did it and said he did it to him before as well during the interview.
 
Banks said:
I'll play anybody and everybody that wants to play. I learned in a bar, so I'm used to people being sticklers for things like these. It was actually harder to find somebody that knew bih rules than it was to find bar rules players, at least before more players started showing up. Playing call shot teaches you a lot, but it can suck when there's a maybe-it-will-maybe-it-won't-skim ball blocking part of the pocket. I'm not one for dealing with drama when I'm just hanging out, so I'll just go along with whatever they want to play.

If you're wanting a serious game, playing by bih rules, you can't just go to a bar and expect that. It'll teach how you to run out just about anything you're left with, though!
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Wasn't expecting to go in and okay BIH, I always ask, this was kind if a set up match. The guy is a bartender there and a mutual friend wanted me to come in and humble the guy. His shooting was better than I expected actually, but when I got the roll of the slower felt down it wasn't a problem and he quit after his loss. I know you like to play for money banks, if your ever going through hoodriver you should stop in an win a quick 100. It's the red carpet in, and this sounds amazingly cliche, but you'll recognize the bartender by the scar on his eye haha
 
I suppose that defensive play can be a weakness, if you play it poorly.
I love those guys when they say "Sheeeit, that's bltch pool" then they're the bltch.
I had a guy get really upset with me for playing defense against a player that was a lower ranked player than me. I thought that was so stupid that I had no response
 
poolguppy said:
Wasn't expecting to go in and okay BIH, I always ask, this was kind if a set up match. The guy is a bartender there and a mutual friend wanted me to come in and humble the guy. His shooting was better than I expected actually, but when I got the roll of the slower felt down it wasn't a problem and he quit after his loss. I know you like to play for money banks, if your ever going through hoodriver you should stop in an win a quick 100. It's the red carpet in, and this sounds amazingly cliche, but you'll recognize the bartender by the scar on his eye haha
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If he's good for $100, maybe I should make a point of it. :thumbup: Haven't been that far up the gorge since I tried to go to Hideaway or one of those lakes on the back side of Hood - only to find it closed off due to snow. We ended up catching a few small ones in some streams on the way back down and headed home. Thanks for heads-up, here's to hoping I can drag my lazy butt out that way.
 
hang-the-9 said:
It's in at least two AccuStats matches, Shannon Daulton did it and said he did it to him before as well during the interview.
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Yeah....you right. I've seen the Daulton match. I was talking about seeing him in person and not ever seeing it happen. My bad.
 
If I play in a bar where I dont know anyone instead of playing an obvious safe I will just play a 2 way shot, focusing more on the bad leave than pocketing a ball.
If it is what some bangers call a "call shot" game I wont even waste my time playing. It can be made into a never ending battle. "You rattled the ball on the way in and did not call it, my turn", "it touched the long rail before falling in the pocket, you didnt call that". Those games are not about skill but getting as many turns at the table as possible for the quarters. Why do bangers expect to shoot again if they pocket a ball on the break during a call shot game? They did not call it.:rotflmao1:
 
When I started playing a cheap challenge 8 ball game,one of the bettet players let me know that they dont play like that. Well they do play bih so after I was consistenly beating them, their idea of playing safe has changed! The better player recently won his division At state tournament thanks to a cole of sim effctive safes.When I teased
him about the safes,he said "I looked at my options and knew you would play safe."
 
lorider said:
i would like to give you and leto some insight on this subject.

its kinda sad to say i myself have uttered those same words my self in my younger days. having played in bars since i was 16 years old it was the only way i knew to play. its a culture thing. its they way a lot of people grow up being taught.

back then i would occasionally encounter some one in a bar that suggested " league rules ". i thought the same way you said that guy thought.

the snode remarks .. jeers... funny faces about the only rules i knew turned me off from associating with them and learning " their way " of playing pool.

as time went by i was watching pool on wide world of sports and was amazed at how well they played. i wanted to learn to play like that. i decided to go to the only pool in town and start to learn all i could. the " serious " players in their made me uncomfortable with the way they acted toward me " a banger " as serious pool players often refer to people that don't know how to play pool " the right way ".

i never went back to a pool hall again . i preferred to stay in my world where people like me played " bar rules ".

one day i was playing a guy in a bar and after i won about 4 in a row he asked me what league i played in. i said none.... i said i have never played league in my life. he asked why not. i said i did not think i was good enough. he said i was better than any one on his team and asked me if i would join.

i did not find out until the night i joined that it was bcapl 9 ball. i hated it because of the slop factor. i soon joined a bcapl 8 ball team. 8 ball was better but again there is still slop because its call your pocket" not call your shot.

the idea that defense is chhcken shit was so deeply ingrained in me it took 2 years before i finally come around to using defense. some bcapl players were friendly but there is still that stigma " bcapl is for serious players " from a lot of people.

i guess from my experience in bcapl is why i staunchly defend apa on here. they make every body feel welcome.

i played bcapl for a year then i quit pool entirely for about 4 years. a girl who is now my g/f got me to join apa 3 years ago. i learned more about english... cue ball control... defense... etc ...etc.. in my 1st 6 months in apa than the entire year i was in bcapl. apa team mates and opponents alike were more willing to teach me things and no one in bcapl would not even think about doing some thing like that.

thousands of bar bangers like i used to be might be willing to convert to serious poo if they were not treated like " bangers"

you may not have laughed in that guys face about his way of shooting pool but i bet your actions told him what you really thought.
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I agree on this one. If you want someone to keep playing and improving, you need to treat that person with respect, even if they don't know anything about the game or have completely wrong habits. It goes both ways of course, but real instructors or friends trying to help should have patience and be tolerant enough if the players they want to help have been learning something the wrong way their entire life and have strange beliefs carved into their mind (e.g. defense is chicken play).
 
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